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"Hahn, chief medical executive of the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center, is HHS Secretary Alex Azar’s top choice for the job."

Doesn't sound good.

A quick search Didn't come up with much about Stephan Hahn and e-Cigarette.

Hoping this is a Good Sign...

Hahn is also a longtime GOP donor, according to Federal Election Commission records, having contributed to Republican presidential campaigns dating at least as far back to George W. Bush’s 2004 presidential run.

And unlike some past FDA commissioners, he has accepted relatively little money from the drug and medical device industries. According to CMS’ Open Payments database, which tracks industry contributions to doctors, Hahn received roughly $1,000 in travel and lodging fees from radiation oncology device company Varian Medical Systems in 2017.


Cancer specialist is frontrunner for FDA commissioner

... But having followed 3 or 4 FDA Commissionaires now, I'm Not Holding My Breath.

Especially coming in at the e-Cigarette Summit of Mt. Hype.
 

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A quick search Didn't come up with much about Stephan Hahn and e-Cigarette.

Hoping this is a Good Sign...

Hahn is also a longtime GOP donor, according to Federal Election Commission records, having contributed to Republican presidential campaigns dating at least as far back to George W. Bush’s 2004 presidential run.

And unlike some past FDA commissioners, he has accepted relatively little money from the drug and medical device industries. According to CMS’ Open Payments database, which tracks industry contributions to doctors, Hahn received roughly $1,000 in travel and lodging fees from radiation oncology device company Varian Medical Systems in 2017.


Cancer specialist is frontrunner for FDA commissioner

... But having followed 3 or 4 FDA Commissionaires now, I'm Not Holding My Breath.

Especially coming in at the e-Cigarette Summit of Mt. Hype.

I am encouraged that he's been with M.D. Anderson, the best cancer hospital in Texas, and one of the best in the country. He is not someone who is likely to ignore how dangerous cigarettes are. Of course he might be convinced that the IQOS are the best way to go for harm reduction.
 

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I am encouraged that he's been with M.D. Anderson, the best cancer hospital in Texas, and one of the best in the country. He is not someone who is likely to ignore how dangerous cigarettes are. Of course he might be convinced that the IQOS are the best way to go for harm reduction.

That little voice in My Head keeps say'n... "It can't get worse. It Just Can't Get Worse. It Can't!"

So maybe this FDA Nominee is a Turning Point?

I Hope So.

:unsure:
 

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That little voice in My Head keeps say'n... "It can't get worse. It Just Can't Get Worse. It Can't!"

So maybe this FDA Nominee is a Turning Point?

I Hope So.

:unsure:
Yeah, but with the regs in place and the date set and pressure from the judicial branch, it seems unlikely to get better either --- even if the new Commissioner were a solid advocate for vaping.
 

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That little voice in My Head keeps say'n... "It can't get worse. It Just Can't Get Worse. It Can't!"

So maybe this FDA Nominee is a Turning Point?

I Hope So.

:unsure:

I do too! He might turn out to be horrible for vaping, but I am encouraged that -- just maybe -- he'll help us!
 

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Yeah, but with the regs in place and the date set and pressure from the judicial branch, it seems unlikely to get better either --- even if the new Commissioner were a solid advocate for vaping.

Get Better? Seriously?

No One is thinking it is going to Get Better. What we are Concerned about is it Getting Worse.

We're, or at least I am, thinking about the PMTA Process that is coming.
 

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It would take a strong voice from a high place to resoundingly speak out against the madness going on currently, and to state strongly that harm reduction is our best option to fight the death and disease from smoking. That would be a tide turning moment, I have no hope that this will happen, but it also wouldn't surprise me if someone in such a position did just that...we shall see.
 

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Get Better? Seriously?

No One is thinking it is going to Get Better. What we are Concerned about is it Getting Worse.

We're, or at least I am, thinking about the PMTA Process that is coming.
Well, the coming PMTA process pretty much spells doom for the vaping industry in the US as we know it --- probably including all vape shops, all e-liquid makers, and even DIY (I, for one, don't think Nic-base will slip under the radar). What's left to get worse?
 

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. What's left to get worse?
The hysteria continues and in order to combat illegal bootleggers laws get passed criminalizing possession of high strength nic, copious quantities of raw materials, etc...don't forget, they can still toss you in a cage for owning a living plant.
 

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... What's left to get worse?

FDA sponsored FUD like what we have seen from the CDC
Mitch Zeller continuing as CTP Director
Continued Stacked Tobacco Control Committees/Advisory Panels
No Flavors
12mg/ml Limit on Nicotine Pods/Carts
No Internet Sales
Strict Enforcement of Tobacco Accessories (Hardware)
Rejected 1st Round PMTA's
No Subsequent approved SE Applications
 
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The hysteria continues and in order to combat illegal bootleggers laws get passed criminalizing possession of high strength nic, copious quantities of raw materials, etc...don't forget, they can still toss you in a cage for owning a living plant.
Well, that's not really within the purview of the FDA Commissioner and will or won't happen regardless of whether the FDA Commish is pro-, neutral-, or anti-vaping.
 

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FDA sponsored FUD like what we have seen from the CDC
Mitch Zeller continuing as CTP Director
Continued Stacked Tobacco Control Committees/Advisory Panels
No Flavors
12mg/ml Limit on Nicotine Pods/Carts
No Internet Sales
Rejected 1st Round PMTA's
No Subsequent approved SE Applications
Well, I'm expecting most of the above as pretty much given (perhaps with minor modifications) ... I don't see a new captain turning the ship.
 

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Well, I'm expecting most of the above as pretty much given (perhaps with minor modifications) ... I don't see a new captain turning the ship.

None of the things I listed have to Happen.

All it Takes is someone with some Common Sense. And enough Spine to admit that the Teen Use Issue Isn't going to be Effected if they are Implemented.

So let's Consider "Public Health" for a change. And Start doing something that Promotes THR. Instead of Stifling it.
 

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Well, that's not really within the purview of the FDA Commissioner and will or won't happen regardless of whether the FDA Commish is pro-, neutral-, or anti-vaping.
I agree, that action would need to be carried out by legislators. side issue, but a plausible outcome if this train keeps rolling downhill with no brakes.
 

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None of the things I listed have to Happen.

All it Takes is someone with some Common Sense. And enough Spine to admit that the Teen Use Issue Isn't going to be Effected if they are Implemented.

So let's Consider "Public Health" for a change. And Start doing something that Promotes THR. Instead of Stifling it.
I don't think they HAVE to happen ... But, unless the new Captain is a total radical (meaning: balanced, thoughtful, in possession of common sense, believes in evidence-based decision making, AND is willing to pull really hard on the wheel (which might only mean a new Commissioner will be found)), that's the harbour the ship is already headed for. (imho).
 

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Just an FYI. MD Anderson isn't exactly the bastion of vaping as harm reduction. A person from that environment may be more likely to discount any positive findings on vaping and be more amenable to believing severe limitations is the most appropriate course. And as a cancer specialist from a well regarded institution, it's a lot tougher to convince legislators and the public on harm reduction and less onerous regulation should he take that stance. He will bring lots of credibility to his side of the argument, should he lean in a particular view.

Not saying he will, but I wouldn't put hope that this is like Gottlieb who did believe in harm reduction

https://www.mdanderson.org/document...unity Services/e-cigarettes-are-they-safe.pdf
 
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