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New FDA regulations and effect on DIY?
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You know? Maybe we will have to get like the Singapore vapers and be quiet about where we get our stuff and such in the future....
I am sure the FDA will be monitoring boards like this....
I am sure the FDA will be monitoring boards like this....
About oxygen getting through the HDPE laboratory bottles above...don't you think since they're meant for lab and medical use, that they'd have to be made so that couldn't happen? What about sensitive medications or chemicals potentially exposed to oxygen? Or how about storing chemicals that chemists and others use? These aren't normal, really cheap, plastic bottles here. They regularly cost labs, hospitals, etc. $161.81 for a case of 72 of the 150mL ($2.25 ea.), and$187.34 for a case of 72 of the 250mL ($2.62 ea.).
I think I'll call the company and ask for clarification tomorrow. I'd really like to use some of them for more nic storage, and let my friends who are local vapers use some of them, too.
I think I'll call the company and ask for clarification tomorrow. I'd really like to use some of them for more nic storage, and let my friends who are local vapers use some of them, too.
Maybe we'll actually have to come up with secret codes or acronyms and such to "our sources". Won't that be a sad state of affairs...to have to get to that point here in the so-called "land of the free"?
Everybody needs to stock up on nicotine base to be safe ... the nic suppliers are still going to be making nicotine base, however, they will only be selling to BT and juice companies who have submitted fees. I do believe the DIYers may be cut off from buying nicotine.
It has never really been the land of the free. That is just propaganda.Maybe we'll actually have to come up with secret codes or acronyms and such to "our sources". Won't that be a sad state of affairs...to have to get to that point here in the so-called "land of the free"?
Just got an email from a neighbor who works part time at a vape shop locally. Guy who owns it has about 4 in different towns. I'd asked the neighbor what the owner has said, about how the new FDA garbage will affect his shop and/or others. Here's his response:
"Found out today that _____ already has a tobacco manufacturer's license, so they're in the clear and won't have to put up with the BS about getting one after this big announcement. Those that don't have it will be hit the hardest. He's still waiting to hear if the flavoring makers will be able to only sell to license holders, or still to anyone, like you who makes your own."
So I guess there are some vape shops who know they'll definitely be OK already, as far as the FDA is concerned. At least people will still have places to get eliquids, though who knows what prices those places will charge then.
"Found out today that _____ already has a tobacco manufacturer's license, so they're in the clear and won't have to put up with the BS about getting one after this big announcement. Those that don't have it will be hit the hardest. He's still waiting to hear if the flavoring makers will be able to only sell to license holders, or still to anyone, like you who makes your own."
So I guess there are some vape shops who know they'll definitely be OK already, as far as the FDA is concerned. At least people will still have places to get eliquids, though who knows what prices those places will charge then.
They have a license but they do not have and most likely will not be granted an "approved" product.
Yep I don't think that Vape Shop owner understands what is coming at him.
Sounds like he makes and sells juice. He will have to have each juice permitted and even different nic levels or PG/VG ratios all require an approval.
Just having a tobacco license does nothing for the vape stuff except he is that one step ahead. But a hundred steps behind.
The way I understand the regs it will wipe out "house" made juice for sale.
The way things stand right now, they have two years to apply for a PMTA. Having a tobacco products manufacturing license is basically a two year stay of execution.
Yep except that if they make any new varieties of juice after Aug 8 they will be in violation of the regs.
I am hardly a lawyer and these regs. are huge but my understanding is any manufacturer can apply for the PMTA and they have two years to do so. Three years for approval or the product must be pulled. I have not heard of the role of a manufacturing license but again, these regs are huge and terribly confusing.
Correct. No new recipes.
I'm not sure what the deadline is for getting one. It's not a particularly high barrier in terms of expense or hassle. I believe it does involve giving the FDA a complete list of products being manufactured and the recipes (ingredient lists) for them, as well as agreeing to be inspected at the FDA's whim. I think the FDA will give them out freely. In fact, it's more of a mandatory registration than a license. Of course registering also means you'll get a nice C&D letter if you haven't filed any PMTA's by the 2-year deadline. That's how I've read it anyway.
I think you misunderstood. I think it will be insanely difficult (and expensive) to file PMTAs, much less get them approved. But I think it will be easy to get a Tobacco Manufacturer's "License" (which is really more like a registration). The two should not be conflated.
I don't worry too much about that aspect of it, it's still pretty early on in the game. My very real concern is how will liquid nic base be handled once the tax schedules are worked out. Will our stashes be grandfathered? Will handling, mixing, be somehow regulated to require a license? Will there be a tax stamp and if no proof can be shown of tax paid what will the potential penalties be? This is all brand new territory, what will be considered personal consumption quantities? I'm not even thinking that they will come bust down the doors looking for it. But if things proceed as they will, and tax legislation hits the books, I am sure some folks will have the bad luck for whatever reasons, to come afoul with these new laws. Some will pay the price at that time.
They will pry my vape from my cold dead fingers!
That is from this Great Grandfather.
Any stash you want grandfathered just send it to this grandfather
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