New Genesis type atomizer by DID!

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yankeebobo

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Gotta say. This entire thread is a wealth of information. And gives many, many ideas on things to try should I run into any problems. A total DIDipedia of sorts. :D
I ordered two DIDs almost two weeks ago. Although they haven't shipped yet, I'm anxious to get them into my hands and get going. Can't wait. Sounds like Jim has a good following of satisfied customers. :thumb:
 

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One thing a lot of people seem to have trouble differentiating is the concept of "oxidizing" the wick and "carbonizing" the wick.

Basically what we are trying to do is to oxidize the wick so that the surface of the wick becomes electrically non-conductive so as to prevent a short when wrapping a coil around the wick. So with that in mind here's the difference between the 2 processes :

1) Oxidizing the wick : When heating the wick at high temperatures, you get a layer of oxide on the mesh that acts as an insulator. For it to work best, use a high temp flame. And when you are doing it, over do it for the first couple of times. The oxide layer is tougher and won't come off as easily when you try to move the coils over it.

2) Carbonizing the wick : This happens when you heat the mesh with a low temp flame like a cigarette lighter. This produces a dark black carbon deposit over the mesh that is also non-conductive. The wick will look blacker and will look good. But this layer of carbon is very soft and when you try to scratch it with a finger nail or the coil, it comes off easily and exposes the conductive mesh underneath which result in shorts when you wrap coils. Only thing this is good for is turning your juice black.

People having issues with shorts should consider a high temp flame. Also try oxidizing the mesh before rolling this into a wick. Go over the mesh with the torch for 2 minutes before rolling the wick. Go over it again with the torch for another couple of rounds and you can quench to make it a bit more stiffer.

There is no hard and fast rule as to the exact amount of time to get good oxidization as this will depend on :
- the temperature of the flame
- the composition of the mesh
- where you are at or the quantity of oxygen and moisture in the air where you live.
- How smooth and even the surface of the wick is

So please don't use any video as the absolute truth. In the Colorado air, on a good cylindrical wick made of 316 grade 400 mesh - 42 mm long and 35 mm wide and rolled for a snug fit - 6 minutes of torching (+2 minutes for oxidizing mesh before rolling) gives me a wick with no shorts every single time and I don't have to worry about shorts when I move the coil or re-coil a week later.

If you are having shorts, the one and only reason is your wick is not oxidized enough. Please stop worrying about drilling bigger holes, leaving the fill hole open and using extra nuts or spacing issues. All those could be done later(they all change various aspects of the vape) after you have a working wick. But without a proper wick, you can do all that and re-coil every five minutes for an entire day and end up being very unhappy. The DID works very well as it is without any tinkering and the spacing of the various parts is well thought out. It's built to work with 32Ga Kanthal wire and it does. Once you have a good wick, pull the coil tight enough to stay snug on the wick at the bottom loop and then ease through the rest of the loops without too much tugging.

PS : The ONLY essential component that the manufacturer has left for you to make, is the WICK. Do it right and everything will work as it should be.:)

PS2 : I own 4 of these and I use one bottom nut, and 2 top nuts, 32 Ga Kanthal wire. I use clear tanks on 3 and have also increased the hole size to 1/16". All the modifications were done after I learned to make a wick and slap and coil on it and have it work with no issues.

This is a piece of excellent information.. I think i have carbonized the wick as you mentioned.

I do have some questions:

(1) how high a temperature are we talking about? I used a cheap blow torch that gave up on me and had to use the flame on my gas stove. Is this hot enough? I did repeat the process like 5-6 times of heating and quenching.

(2) Can we tell by its physcial appearence if the wick is oxidized or carbonized?

(3) Before my cheap blow torch gave way, i build my first DID wick with it (scott bonner's method). It turned my juice black.
So i assume even my blow torch was not hot enough.

Thanks for the time and effort taken to post this information. Kudos!
 

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This is a piece of excellent information.. I think i have carbonized the wick as you mentioned.

I do have some questions:

(1) how high a temperature are we talking about? I used a cheap blow torch that gave up on me and had to use the flame on my gas stove. Is this hot enough? I did repeat the process like 5-6 times of heating and quenching.

(2) Can we tell by its physcial appearence if the wick is oxidized or carbonized?

(3) Before my cheap blow torch gave way, i build my first DID wick with it (scott bonner's method). It turned my juice black.
So i assume even my blow torch was not hot enough.

Thanks for the time and effort taken to post this information. Kudos!

What I am using is this : Creme Brulee Torch - Amazon. You could use any torch that will give you a clean blue flame. The regular cigarette lighter and similar low temp lighters burns with an yellow flame and deposits a bunch of carbon on the wick. It need not be any particular torch, just something that gives you a consistent blue flame.

You can torch the mesh before you roll for a couple of minutes and this will give you a dark gray-ish color.
 

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Jim, is there any chance of re-doing your video so we all have a place to learn the correct way of preparing the DID. I imagine after these more than 2900 posts we all learned some new things and just want your idea of the best way to do it. I did watch your video a few weeks ago and it got me going but I learned allot more from this forum but I am always hearing 2 or 3 different ways of doing things. I would like to hear your thoughts. Some of my my concerns/questions would be...

type of mesh 325/375/400
Should it be cut the mesh diagional
type of wire? Kanthal D A A-a 28 or 32 etc...
how to wrap the coil
do you use a drill bit or not
burning the mesh correctly
keeping the screw on the airhole or not
should I drill a hole in the top 1/16 or not

I would love to hear from you or maybe we could do a survey on the forum on how most people do this.

thanks for all your great work on the DID and your customer service

Mike N

You can not imagine how much I wanted to make a video
I am not good at this so
I will search for a volunteer to do so
my problem is the words!
I have to take a camera .. a good one with good zoom zoom
today is a good day for me!
I feel good cause all orders will be gone tomorrow and Friday!
Thank you for your pantience
 

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I will be the first one to admit that my English is worse than Jim’s.

“For example, starting from the ground nut, clockwise wrapping will put the wire between the ground nut and center post first, then come out from outside, at the top, to the center post, and vise versa, if it is wrapped counter-clockwise.”

This is a bad example. Even though it is easier to illustrate the point of in and out, the “and vise versa” did not stand out. I should have worded it the other way around.

Instead of spending another 5 pages on the reasons, this is what I would wrap.

Wrap the ground nut and the center post clockwise (screw tightens clockwise) and wrap the wick counterclockwise (by now, you all know why). Yes, there are a lot of good reasons.

Phew, now I can sleep better.
Good info! (as always! ) Thanks!
 

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You can not imagine how much I wanted to make a video
I am not good at this so
I will search for a volunteer to do so
my problem is the words!
I have to take a camera .. a good one with good zoom zoom
today is a good day for me!
I feel good cause all orders will be gone tomorrow and Friday!
Thank you for your pantience

I am hoping rwechsler or someone experienced with making vids and have a high quality camera, volunteer for making a wick and coil video that we can guide all users to. Should help DID and other genisis users.
 

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I combined about 6 tutorials into one, to make my set up.
Scott (Igetcha69) has 3 videos, the DID review,the "how to setup a genesis atty, and the tobacco PAPER video.
JIM, on his site has the video on how to coil before inserting.
A poster in this thread posted one on how to set up the 0-rings and more.
Written tutorials everywhere for the Jack Frost method of burning the mesh without quenching, before doing the roll/burn/quench. (they say you don't have to follow up with the quench 3x with the JF method, but I still do/did.)

I'm still on my original mesh and coil!! Haven't even had to dry burn any gunk off yet I love this atty!!
 

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I am hoping rwechsler or someone experienced with making vids and have a high quality camera, volunteer for making a wick and coil video that we can guide all users to. Should help DID and other genisis users.
That'd be sweet! I hope, also, that the double wick method will be covered too.
 

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What I am using is this : Creme Brulee Torch - Amazon. You could use any torch that will give you a clean blue flame. The regular cigarette lighter and similar low temp lighters burns with an yellow flame and deposits a bunch of carbon on the wick. It need not be any particular torch, just something that gives you a consistent blue flame.

You can torch the mesh before you roll for a couple of minutes and this will give you a dark gray-ish color.

Good info! There's something VIP to this. A poster (Griz) on another forum has talked about the blue flame. Even on our stove tops, there is the blue flame and the orange flame to be aware of.
 

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I am hoping rwechsler or someone experienced with making vids and have a high quality camera, volunteer for making a wick and coil video that we can guide all users to. Should help DID and other genisis users.

I would like to see a video (probably a long one) that demonstrates more than one method (of coil wraps and wick rolling) and discusses pluses and minuses for particular set-ups with said approaches.
 

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Oh no Uma.
I meant the mesh(genesis) world!
I believe you have something like here in Greece we say
There is not "I can't" there is only "I do not want to"
You're right!!! ((((((JIM)))))) I had completely forgotten my stance just a short month or two ago. I really have come a long way baby! Thanks to you and the DID!!! (and all the tutorials & posters). :toast:
 
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