New Genesis type atomizer by DID!

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Are these batteries suitable for the Poldiac, if they fit, they're fat and quit long, i bought them a while back and have no device that will take them, i know you use unprotected Cloud Wizard and i'll follow your advice, just wondering about these and what i'm going to do with them
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Internal Resistance mΩ Actual Capacity(mAh) Length (mm) Diameter (mm)
116 2961 69.7 18.6
 

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I'm dreaming of the all highly Polished Brass (top/bottom/button/battery tube) with highly polished SS pants & SS slotted shirt :drool:

Yes would be good! I'm looking forward to the new DID being available then will place my big order of shiny dresses spare parts to complete my needs. Then what!!! so much turnout by Jim the Mod master.
 

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Are these batteries suitable for the Poldiac, if they fit, they're fat and quit long, i bought them a while back and have no device that will take them, i know you use unprotected Cloud Wizard and i'll follow your advice, just wondering about these and what i'm going to do with them

Internal Resistance mΩ Actual Capacity(mAh) Length (mm) Diameter (mm)
116 2961 69.7 18.6

Hey Capt, just for clarity LI-Ion protected batteries are not bad (actually they're pretty safe for normal vaping gear) for anything greater than 1.5ohm. They just don't have the current capacity for Ultra-LR Rebuildables that IMR batts (LiMn) do -especially a safety margin to cope with strong shorts. With any manufactured head (store bought very little chance of short) with 1.5ohm you're only pulling 2.8A @4.2v so pretty stable. A rebuildable at 0.8ohm @4.2v is pulling at least 5.25A and if it shorts can run up to well over 10A which would trip the protection circuit on the battery. If the protection circuit is faulty it could rapidly over discharge the battery and potentially cause a fire or at least damage your battery.

The Poldiac has adjustable contacts on the battery end so you could probably fit those batteries. You could even remove the adjustable contact on the battery side and since they're button top you'd still make contact to the switch.

Edit: here's the specs on those batts: http://senybor.en.ec21.com/Senybor_3100mAh_Protected_18650_Li--6847861_6847862.html

Capacity 3100mAh
Battery type 18650(Inner battery is from JP)
PCB Set on the bottom of battery
Max.current 4-5A
Dimension 18.5mm*69mm
PCB protection
1、Short-circuit protection. Self-recovery.
2、Over-charge protection. Cut-off voltage is 4.3V.
3、Over-current protection.
4、Over-discharge protection. Cut-off voltage is 2.45V.
 
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Hello, I ordered a poldiac with DID and Gemini. Can't wait to try it. It is a beautiful mod and can't help but notice all the excellent reviews, which is what prompted me to buy it.

I have been using genesis attys for a while and love the vapor. I have a question though since I am a bit confused on safety. I apologize if it has already been answered and thanks for your help.

I am familiar with battery care and personally wouldn't use anything other than AW IMR's for genesis devices. However, I'm still a bit confused on what is considered to be a safe discharge current and how this translates to the coils we are making. (The information used for the question bellow can be found here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html)

According to what I have been reading, the critical factor for ecig use (besides the battery type/care) is the C rating (discharge current) in amps. With this in mind I have come up with the numbers bellow. Please let me know if they are accurate and thanks again.

AW IMR 18650 1600 mAH - Max continuous discharge rate: 10 C (Max drain rate in amps is C in mAh / 1000 x C rating)
1600 x 10 / 1000
In this case the max rate is: 16 amps

AW IMR 18500 1100 mAH - Max continuous discharge rate: 10 C
1100 x 10 / 1000
In this case the max rate is: 11 amps

AM IMR 18350 700 mAH - Max continuous discharge rate: 8C
700 x 8 / 1000
In this case the max rate is: 5.6 amps

How I think the information above translates to the way we set up our coils and my main question is outlined bellow. (the calculator used http://www.the12volt.com/ohm/ohmslawcalculators.asp)

If we use a fresh 18500 1100 mAH battery to set up a 1.1 coil, it would appear we are using best judgment and within the safety precautions realm. Is that correct or am I missing something ?

Freshly charged 18500 1100 mAH - 4.2 Volts
Coil Resistance 1.1
Max rate - 11 amps

Current = Voltage / Resistance - 4.2 Volts / 1.1 Ohms = 3.818 Amps - This is well within the 11 amps Max rate for this battery.

Just want to make sure I am not missing anything here. Most of us are fighting to kick the cigarette habit for good, and e-cigs are a great way to do it. At the same time, all this wealth of information can become overwhelming and with batteries so close to our face we need to be as correctly informed as possible. We need to fight the good fight together. This is a great forum and thanks for all the help.
 

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brass contacts set for the Poldiac
for less cleanning
and I say less cleanning once again !
some people complain about the hard hitting!! lolol




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Yes indeed the Polidac is hardest hitting of all and that can even be improved w/MNKE 18650 battery.

However, if you can figure out how to make it hit even HARDER - Id be all over that. The harder hitting the better I say
 

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Yes indeed the Polidac is hardest hitting of all and that can even be improved w/MNKE 18650 battery.

However, if you can figure out how to make it hit even HARDER - Id be all over that. The harder hitting the better I say

Sorry for the noob question!

hard hitting = throat hitting??
 

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I'm sure I'm going to be slammed for this.
I had cell phone, laptops, rc devices for manny manny years. Sure there were some defective battery issues.
Now ecigs for almost 4.
Never had or heard of a ecig battery trying to kill its owner.
Sure anything can happen. But it think this concern is overstated.
Please correct me if I've been in the dark.
If rw hasn't had a battery explode I think they are loving creatures

Tony
 

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I'm sure I'm going to be slammed for this.
I had cell phone, laptops, rc devices for manny manny years. Sure there were some defective battery issues.
Now ecigs for almost 4.
Never had or heard of a ecig battery trying to kill its owner.
Sure anything can happen. But it think this concern is overstated.
Please correct me if I've been in the dark.
If rw hasn't had a battery explode I think they are loving creatures

Tony

Tom Holloway suffers horrific burns as exploding electronic cigarette knocks out all his teeth | Mail Online

What do you think ? Tony
 

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Sorry for the noob question!

hard hitting = throat hitting??

What were are saying that the poldiac is very efficient when it comes to wattage to coil. In many devices the resistance of the device its self lovers the actual wattage ( waists energy) before it gets to the atty. the poldiac is a very very low resistance device. It almost like connecting to battery directly to the atty,
More likely the battery nipple has more resistance then the device.

Result is warmer, more dense vapor. (harder hit ) with all other factors being equal.



Tony
 

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Hey Capt, just for clarity LI-Ion protected batteries are not bad (actually they're pretty safe for normal vaping gear) for anything greater than 1.5ohm. They just don't have the current capacity for Ultra-LR Rebuildables that IMR batts (LiMn) do -especially a safety margin to cope with strong shorts. With any manufactured head (store bought very little chance of short) with 1.5ohm you're only pulling 2.8A @4.2v so pretty stable. A rebuildable at 0.8ohm @4.2v is pulling at least 5.25A and if it shorts can run up to well over 10A which would trip the protection circuit on the battery. If the protection circuit is faulty it could rapidly over discharge the battery and potentially cause a fire or at least damage your battery.

The Poldiac has adjustable contacts on the battery end so you could probably fit those batteries. You could even remove the adjustable contact on the battery side and since they're button top you'd still make contact to the switch.

Edit: here's the specs on those batts: http://senybor.en.ec21.com/Senybor_3100mAh_Protected_18650_Li--6847861_6847862.html

Capacity3100mAh
Battery type18650(Inner battery is from JP)
PCBSet on the bottom of battery
Max.current4-5A
Dimension18.5mm*69mm
PCB protection
1、Short-circuit protection. Self-recovery.
2、Over-charge protection. Cut-off voltage is 4.3V.
3、Over-current protection.
4、Over-discharge protection. Cut-off voltage is 2.45V.

This explains it perfectly Cloud Wizard, I think I finally understand, I like higher resistance coils and try to go above 1.5 ohms on all of my attys, so as a safety precaution I would be advised to test everything on my provari for shorts and resistance before I use any device with these particular Sennybors ?
 

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What were are saying that the poldiac is very efficient when it comes to wattage to coil. In many devices the resistance of the device its self lovers the actual wattage ( waists energy) before it gets to the atty. the poldiac is a very very low resistance device. It almost like connecting to battery directly to the atty,
More likely the battery nipple has more resistance then the device.

Result is warmer, more dense vapor. (harder hit ) with all other factors being equal.



Tony

NOW I get it! Thanks Tony.
 

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I think the same like I said. It's a 1000000 to 1. Nothing it 100%
What could he had done to prevent that. Just bad luck. Your only option is not to use ecigs to be 100% safe from killer batteries,

Think like that.
Never scuba dive, ride motorcycles, fly planes, get married ( yes wives kill their husbands) eat out, get a pit bull, cross the street, have kids if your a women. On and on.
Don't get me wrong. Doesnt mean you do dumb things with the batteries, but we are using them as intended. Another reason to use a poldiac. It is a strong unit. That plastic thing blew apart. You would need some c4 to blow up a poldiac. Lastly. I not a person that worries, yes a flaw to some. I live more on the wild side and made it to 47. I think we all have different comfort zones. Batteries are the last of my concerns. Just me. You better not have jinked me. :)

And to your point of the google search. Watch bill burr, comedian . You can find anything on google to prove your point either way. Lol

Tony
 
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Hoey

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I think the same like I said. It's a 1000000 to 1. Nothing it 100%
What could he had done to prevent that. Just bad luck. Your only option is not to use ecigs to be 100% safe from killer batteries,

Think like that.
Never scuba dive, ride motorcycles, fly planes, get married ( yes wives kill their husbands) eat out, get a pit bull, cross the street, have kids if your a women. On and on.
Don't get me wrong. Doesnt mean you do dumb things with the batteries, but we are using them as intended. Another reason to use a poldiac. It is a strong unit. That plastic thing blew apart. You would need some c4 to blow up a poldiac. Lastly. I not a person that worries, yes a flaw to some. I live more on the wild side and made it to 47. I think we all have different comfort zones. Batteries are the last of my concerns. Just me. You better not have jinked me. :)

And to your point of the google search. Watch bill burr, comedian . You can find anything on google to prove your point either way. Lol

Tony

I read that story 7 months ago but it did not deter me from good quality mods :)
 
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