New Genesis type atomizer by DID!

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If the current only goes in/out by the coil, any hotspots are easier to fix and any chance of shorting else where is eliminated. Still need to properly oxidize your wick to eliminate coil shorts/hot spots.

That is a very important point. I can't find it, but there is a post up there explaining the different types of shorts and it makes a lot of sense to insulate the wick from the tank as much as you can.

On the other hand, I went the other way and am actually using the Zen without it's original PTFE insulator because I wanted a thicker wick after experiencing so much better wicking with the DID, and I was lucky enough to not run into any problems. However, me not having any problem without the insulator so far doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.

Let's agree to call the PTFE a solution to a potential problem, rather than nonexistent problem and the reason for the whole ensuing "disruption" fades.

The other potential problem that I ran into is that if there is a short, the PTFE may catch fire or it can even just melt with normal use resulting in either or both nasty (really nasty) taste and choking of the wick (that's what she said!)...
 
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Here is a site that sells the PTFE (Polytetrafluoroethylene) . The measurements are those cited earlier on this page "OD 3mm, ID 2mm."

Here has custom sizes, up to 4" ID (102mm).

Safety and performance from -200°C to 260°C (Peak 300°C)

I didn't know that this was the "insulator" I had heard about.
 
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That is a very important point. I can't find it, but there is a post up there explaining the different types of shorts and it makes a lot of sense to insulate the wick from the tank as much as you can.

On the other hand, I went the other way and am actually using the Zen without it's original PTFE insulator because I wanted a thicker wick after experiencing so much better wicking with the DID, and I was lucky enough to not run into any problems. However, me not having any problem without the insulator so far doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.

Let's agree to call the PTFE a solution to a potential problem, rather than nonexistent problem and the reason for the whole ensuing "disruption" fades.

The other potential problem that I ran into is that if there is a short, the PTFE may catch fire or it can even just melt with normal use resulting in either or both nasty (really nasty) taste and choking of the wick (that's what she said!)...

Well said Elf, I agree. I too had removed the insulator from my ZattyG, I dont have problems but others might.
 
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That is a very important point. I can't find it, but there is a post up there explaining the different types of shorts and it makes a lot of sense to insulate the wick from the tank as much as you can.

On the other hand, I went the other way and am actually using the Zen without it's original PTFE insulator because I wanted a thicker wick after experiencing so much better wicking with the DID, and I was lucky enough to not run into any problems. However, me not having any problem without the insulator so far doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.

Let's agree to call the PTFE a solution to a potential problem, rather than nonexistent problem and the reason for the whole ensuing "disruption" fades.

The other potential problem that I ran into is that if there is a short, the PTFE may catch fire or it can even just melt with normal use resulting in either or both nasty (really nasty) taste and choking of the wick (that's what she said!)...
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Very well said!

Do you fold the edge of the mesh on the inner wick like we do on the outer wick? (keeping any strays from touchig the tank). I haven't yet tried this, but have been wanting to.
 

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Just got my DID and i love the vape although i seem to be constantly fighting hotspots.

However, my juices regardless of 100% PG or VG turns Black (yes, not darkened, but BLACK). Anyone of you experienced this as well?

My guess is that your wick is not fully / correctly oxidized. The reason liquid turns darker in these atties is that some juice seeps back into the tank after being "caramelized" by the coil. If you constantly have hotspots due to shorts, then some liquid will actually get burned to soot and will probably darken your liquid even more.

There's a lot of good advice I used to get my wick properly oxidized around here and on YouTube.

The only other possible issue is that your coil "floats" too far from the wick, and then it glows in open air because it doesn't get enough liquid to cool it down. Just look at the coil from above, if you see a lot of distance between the loops of wire and the wick, that's it.
 

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My guess is that your wick is not fully / correctly oxidized. The reason liquid turns darker in these atties is that some juice seeps back into the tank after being "caramelized" by the coil. If you constantly have hotspots due to shorts, then some liquid will actually get burned to soot and will probably darken your liquid even more.

There's a lot of good advice I used to get my wick properly oxidized around here and on YouTube.

The only other possible issue is that your coil "floats" too far from the wick, and then it glows in open air because it doesn't get enough liquid to cool it down. Just look at the coil from above, if you see a lot of distance between the loops of wire and the wick, that's it.

OMG, soot sounds really harmful to health! Time for another wick!

How tightly do we have to wrap the coil?

Also, does anyone knows what the wire that Jim includes in the package? Where can i buy them?
 

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OMG, soot sounds really harmful to health! Time for another wick!

How tightly do we have to wrap the coil?

Also, does anyone knows what the wire that Jim includes in the package? Where can i buy them?

From all that I have read, ebay is a good place to buy Kanthal. I am looking for others now.

Found this http://www.buymywire.com/

You could (I believe) buy Kathal from the HOH site.
 
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OMG, soot sounds really harmful to health! Time for another wick!

How tightly do we have to wrap the coil?

Also, does anyone knows what the wire that Jim includes in the package? Where can i buy them?

It sounds, but it's probably not. Inhaling the dry burns created by the hotspots is probably bad for you, but I doubt it's a major problem. The soot... how should I put it, you inhale several orders of magnitude more than that just by breathing city air...

I was frustrated to tears by all the smart-a55 veterans telling me that I have to roll the coils close enough to be on the wick, but still floating a bit away, but not too far. After several trials I thought they must be messing with me. Like some there-yet-not-there quantum physics / Hindu philosophy bull-crap. But in time and with practice even I got it - and I am most definitely a manually inept person, two left hands and all that. Anyway, that's the idea... not tight at all, but still not floating far. Using the cigarette rolling paper trick helps. Heating the Kanthal red with a regular lighter several times before coiling also helps.

ETA: or should I say two right hands? I don't know. I am a 'converted lefty' - used to be left handed and they forced me to switch to using my right hand in school; and now I have no dexterous hand...
 
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Theory is to completely isolate the wick will reduce the potential for shorts as the current has to enter/exit through the coil (instead of in this case the grounded wall of the tank also why it helps to lift the wick off the bottom). If the current only goes in/out by the coil, any hotspots are easier to fix and any chance of shorting else where is eliminated. Still need to properly oxidize your wick to eliminate coil shorts/hot spots. On your question about resistance changes, I'd expect the same behavior as any other short, a short reduces resistance (bypasses the resistance provided in the wire coil).

Correct. If one can isolate the wick from the atomizer: it would help, in the shorting situation.

“It is easy to solve problems (3) and (4); lift the wick up a little out of the tank (or insolate the bottom part of the wick) and don’t bend the wick towards the nuts to touch them. If we solve problem (1) then problem (2) and (3) will be irrelevant, because, when the wire is not connected to the wick (the coiled portion of the wick), “so-what” if the wick is connected to the ground via the wick hole (2) or the inside of the tank (3). But, if one can isolate the wick from (2) and (3), it would help in the shorting situation because then the current has nowhere to go but come back to the wire to go to the grounding nut. The shorting spots of the wire to the wick, the dark wire, can be seen easily during the DRY burn. In this case, when wick is not grounded, there has to be multiple shorts to produce the dark wire, because if there is only one spot of the wire that is shorted to the wick, current will continuously travel through the wire. Side benefits of isolating the wick from the body (ground) is that heat lost to the body and the vaporizing delay when the wick is cold will all be minimized”. From The original post
 

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When I was designing the DID I was designing a clean machine,a machine for those who see this like a hobby and not just an electronic cigarette
This is the DID
He is classic and in my opinion is not for everybody
People maybe think that now with the DID they can setup it in 5 minutes
If you think that you have misanderstood something
Yes the DID made things better for those who want to invest some time and LOVE this filosophy as it is!
I sold hundrents and only some maybe not more than 30 people do not call the DID as an excellent easy to setup easy to clean and so simple atomizer people who have many atomizers and they have experience!
I do not say that is perfect for everyone I say that is perfect for me and I have invest time and money to finaly sell you the DID
So please is it good for this thread if I make another THREAD one for people who want to do tunnings with the DID?
Because I read and I see some videos out there that they have not even the basic physic in their thoughts!
 
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One thing I want to say, as everything else has probably either been said, or touched upon already. I think many noobs get the impression that the DID requires massive work to function correctly. This is not the impression I wish to give. At least, as far as I'm concerned, this piece of equipment has changed my vape experience completely. I know, many others have vast knowledge of Genesis type atomizer, I didn't . The DID was my first. Even when I build a crappy coil loaded with hot spots and problems, it is still far better than any of the other equipment from tanks to carts, to dripping, which I have used extensively prior to the DID. Now, I am using the DID to the exclusion of the others. It is merely the pursuit of Nirvana that makes it seem like I am constantly toying with it. I suspect others find this so. Bottom line, don't let the extensive amount of suggestions overwhelm you. Just buy the DID and enjoy the incredible taste and vapor it creates. I am very happy and content with my DiD. As I write this missive on my tablet, I laugh, as my DID atop my Lavatube, looks like a tablet appendage poking its way above my left hand. Thanks all for the incredible help supplied on this forum, I'm sure I wouldn't even know this device existed without you.

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I say leave the DID as it is. No one including yourself can design/make any one device that will be a perfect fit for everyone. That's why we have other choices if we desire. Judging by the responses on this thread I must say that you nailed the DID as it is to fit the majority of it's users. Just because it isn't a fit for everyone doesn't make it a bad thing. I'm still enjoying my DID, sure I may experiment with different wicks and coils, but the overall solid design of the DID is perfect for myself.

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Does anyone know the sizes of the o-rings and screws for the DID?

(a new purchaser on another forum received his did without the screws and o-rings and he is hoping to pick them up in town rather than bother Jim with it).
I have some extra O Rings I can drop in the mail to you. PM me your addy. I am short on the correct screws as my last DID (the 3rd) that I received, was missing a brass nut and some of the ground screws were not threaded all the way up. They will not tighten down on the kanthal wire without a tiny, impossible to find washer that you have to file / sand as not to short on the bottom nut. LOL, I need a brass nut. (that just doesn't sound right)

I sent an email to Jim Friday but have not heard back, so if anybody has an extra brass nut, it would be cool to work something out with you to get one. (I've been the the local hardware stores, but no luck to find the correct thread on any type nut.) :(
 

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Here's another pic of the DID standard vs the DID shorty.
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Now that I have rebuilt my DID countless times, not because of problems, just because I am a compulsive tinkerer, trying out all the various methods and techniques discovered here. I have somewhat settled down as follows:

Wick construction is the end all. I Jack Frost trying to achieve the gray look to the mesh. I use two pieces wick, one larger than the other. The large is rolled around the Allen key, the small around a paper clip, insert small into large. I examine, and re-heat slightly, and quench to firm the wick. I trim off any mesh hairs I see. I add cig paper damp with juice to area to be coiled.

Coiling: Because my wick is fat, I use only 3 wraps of annealed kanthal 32. This gives me 3 to 3.2 ohms eveytime. I wrap clockwise to top, making sure bottom lead wire approaches ground from inside between coil and nut. Top connection attaches from inside directly to pole with 1 counterclockwise wrap. Bottom nut concave up, top nut concave down. Use a pin to hold bottom nut, and screw top nut very firmly, until it is flush with pole.

Adjust any shorts with pin. Vape away. Just seems to give me very good vape and TH. I can always tell if short develops, through movement, by the harshness of vape. I get out pin and adjust. I would say every couple of days harshness develops, a 20 second adjustment, I'm good to go. But I am moving my DID about all the time. Device is now developing remarkable stability. What I love is the ability to tweak to my own preference. For example, I always screw in tank fill hole nut, because I prefer my juice muted. Others have different tastes. The DID makes choices possible.



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I am glad that you have figured out everything.

Let me clarify the word clockwise in my original post under the section THE VAPING CHAMBER.

“Be aware that as the wire is wrapped around the post in a clockwise fashion (the better practice), when tightened, it will pull the wick closer to the nuts. Clockwise wrapped wire, when tightened, will be pulled inward towards the center post, instead of being pushed away.”

It may not have been very clear that both sentences were addressing the wire to either the ground or center post nuts, not the coil or wick.

“will be pulled inward towards the center post, instead of being pushed away.”

The effect of pulling inward vs. pushing away could be better illustrated if one is using a stranded wire vs. solid wire on a light switch's screw-on connector. Picture Here under Solid versus stranded.

In this case, for the coil, it makes no difference whether the wire is going to and out of the wick clockwise or counter-clockwise. There will always be one entry or one exit that is in-between the ground nut and the center post, either the coil is wrapped clockwise or counter-clockwise. For example, starting from the ground nut, clockwise wrapping will put the wire between the ground nut and center post first, then come out from outside, at the top, to the center post, and vise versa, if it is wrapped counter-clockwise. In fact, every turn of the coil is in between the wick and center post.

“Clockwise wrapped wire, when tightened” not only will pull the wick toward the center post, (danger of shorting to the center post) it will also cut into the wick’s oxidized layer and shorting it to the wick, from the wick’s rebound tension. The perfect example is from sweeperdk’s first attempt photo.

Leave some room for the wire, before you tighten it or secure the wire while you are tightening it.

Since the original post was long already, I might have left out reasoning behind some of the important principles.
 
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