New Genesis type atomizer by DID!

[David Pavid]

Hey guys, I have a question about ss mesh in general, so here goes:

say I use ~50/50 pg/vg, and i want it to wick best way possible (without flipping the tank)
Whats best: Thick walled (many layers of ss mesh) or a thin walled with a wide hole, or a thin walled with a thin hole?

I cant seem to find any information about this anywhere

edit: also what would wick the liquid upwards best: 325 or 400 mesh?

 

[Switched]

Hey guys, I have a question about ss mesh in general, so here goes:

say I use ~50/50 pg/vg, and i want it to wick best way possible (without flipping the tank)
Whats best: Thick walled (many layers of ss mesh) or a thin walled with a wide hole, or a thin walled with a thin hole?

I cant seem to find any information about this anywhere

edit: also what would wick the liquid upwards best: 325 or 400 mesh?

325 all the way, if not wicking enough try some 270

 

[yankeebobo]

Hey guys, I have a question about ss mesh in general, so here goes:

say I use ~50/50 pg/vg, and i want it to wick best way possible (without flipping the tank)
Whats best: Thick walled (many layers of ss mesh) or a thin walled with a wide hole, or a thin walled with a thin hole?

I cant seem to find any information about this anywhere

edit: also what would wick the liquid upwards best: 325 or 400 mesh?

Some believe 325 for VG and 400 for PG. personally I prefer 325 regardless. Some will say thin wall, thick wick as wide as hole, others will add that a thick wick with a second smaller wick inside the thicker one. Others...., well you get the idea there.

I say whatever wick size works for you is what you do. Once you get comfortable with one method, try another and compare. In the end pick the one that is easier for you or gives you the best flavor.

 

[plerskine]

Hey guys, I have a question about ss mesh in general, so here goes:

say I use ~50/50 pg/vg, and i want it to wick best way possible (without flipping the tank)
Whats best: Thick walled (many layers of ss mesh) or a thin walled with a wide hole, or a thin walled with a thin hole?

I cant seem to find any information about this anywhere

edit: also what would wick the liquid upwards best: 325 or 400 mesh?

Hi David, you will probably get a lot of different answers but I can share what works for me. I use the mesh Jim gave us and I use MWAs dual wick method. All of my juices are 50/50 and I never have wicking problems with the dual wick ( small wick inside larger wick). My outside wick fills the entire wick hole. I find this method also provides a "stiffer" wick that's easier to work with. I can't tell the difference in 325 or 400 for wicking using this method- I can literally vape vertically although the 4:00 - 5:00 position is most natural for me.

 

[Jimi D.]

Read this. I tried his method on my 400 mesh. Wicks fantastic now. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modding-forum/330407-500-ss-mesh.html

 

[David Pavid]

Well I was just hoping that someone could explain the 'physics' or w/e of it.. why a thick walled thin holed wick would lead the liquid etc..
you know, why they soak up the liquid as they do.. there's a reason why mesh is used.. so what im looking for is: WHY do we have a hole in the middle? is the liquid being led through the hole, or via the mesh it self? does the hole actually do a difference? would it make a difference to roll a wick without a hole? etc

(And theres a word Im looking for.. something along "the calibering effect" I have no idea what the word actually is, but this is the closest to it i can think of, lol ^^ you know, the #¤% effect that makes the wick soak up the liquid)

Tell me if Im not making sense at all

 

[shoutdawg]

I too am curious about how the wicking actually happens. I think David may be looking after something like "capillary action" for that "#¤% effect" he mentions.

But I'm also wondering if the hole in the middle also treats the wick like a straw...

 

[David Pavid]

I too am curious about how the wicking actually happens. I think David may be looking after something like "capillary action" for that "#¤% effect" he mentions.

But I'm also wondering if the hole in the middle also treats the wick like a straw...

CAPILLARY! THANK YOU! That word's been bugging me for ages now!
edit: also you seemed to simplify my question, good

 

[shoutdawg]

CAPILLARY! THANK YOU! That word's been bugging me for ages now!
edit: also you seemed to simplify my question, good

No worries... this has been bugging me too.

I figure the hole in the center is used to draw the liquid up via capillary action while the mesh is used to distribute the liquid from the center hole to the outer surface for the coils to heat and create vapor.

I'm wondering if drawing on an inhale actually would help wicking and juice delivery.

There's a bunch of math and physics behind it, but I'd like to hear of peoples' experiences and input.

 

[shoutdawg]

By the way, I'm rocking a satin mini DID on this epipe (running on an AW IMR 18350).

This is currently set up with the kanthal and 325 mesh it came with (half a sheet) wrapped at 4/3 measuring at 1.7ohm on a Provari.

The wick is slightly smaller than the wick hole and about 2mm lower than the center post. The center hole is the diameter of a paperclip and the walls appear fairly thick.



With this setup, I have no wicking problems (with fill screw in) and often find myself having to refill often.

 

[David Pavid]

No worries... this has been bugging me too.

I figure the hole in the center is used to draw the liquid up via capillary action while the mesh is used to distribute the liquid from the center hole to the outer surface for the coils to heat and create vapor.

I'm wondering if drawing on an inhale actually would help wicking and juice delivery.

There's a bunch of math and physics behind it, but I'd like to hear of peoples' experiences and input.

Just made a new wick with a wide hole.. it wicks like crazy.. I can hardly get any vaper because it drowns
If I suck it without firing it, and take off my topcap, Ill find it semi full of liquid
Ill try later to do one of same diameter, but thicker walls (less hole) and see how it wicks, to compare

 

[shoutdawg]

Just made a new wick with a wide hole.. it wicks like crazy.. I can hardly get any vaper because it drowns
If I suck it without firing it, and take off my topcap, Ill find it semi full of liquid
Ill try later to do one of same diameter, but thicker walls (less hole) and see how it wicks, to compare

Drowning isn't good. If you have a variable voltage device you can try to increase your voltage to get the juice burning fast enough... but then you'd have other things to worry about (coil popping, bad taste, burnt juice crusties on coil, etc.)

But good luck with experimenting and thanks for sharing your results.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

When people report their wicking (X works better than Y), keep in mind they're almost never controlling for PV angle

I've said this before but I'll say it again. Until my set up can deliver a glow free burn with the cap off, for multiple 15 second bursts at 10-12 watts, with the PV in a purely vertical position, its not a winner.

shout: Love the pipe !

 

[shoutdawg]

Gotta concur about reporting angle... also might want to include "j00ze viscosity" (that's PG/VG ratio).

I tend to vape at "pipe smoking angle" - DID pointed from below the chin to lips on 80/20 DIY.

 

[Frogster]

If I have done this correctly, below should be a pic of my set-up...

 

[anavidfan]

now there is something to think about as tobaccos are 90% of my juices. I just realised that 2 of my favorite are having problems with cartos these last 2 days. I dont know if its the weather or what, but I cant only seem to get them going smooth for more than about 5 hours. Perhaps its my carto punch its worn out and deforming the carto enough to mess with the flow. It driving me nuts. I am using the little phoenix rebuildable gen styles. They are okay, good taste, but even though they can hold about 10 drops. It drives me nuts having to add juice so often. I really like the DID and the GG iatty 2. I will have to do something soon to keep me vaping happy.

 

[Jim Damianidis]

And the winner for the Gemini is............................
1142 and that means plerskine
GOOD VAPES TO YOU Plerskine!

 

[anavidfan]

I sometimes wonder if when people talk about tobaccos, they are appreciating the vast differences between "tobacco" juices as opposed to tobacco juices, if you catch my drift?! Extracted tobacco juices vs. tobacco flavoring (no matter how unique the mixture) is about the same as comparing fresh squeezed orange juice with Hi-C or Tang . (LOL). I am only talking about this because when I hear some say they love tobaccos in their DID, I wonder if we are talking the same tobaccos? Personally, I don't consider Boba's to necessarily be a tobacco, but I have some and use it in the DID. I am not making a judgement call on anyone's taste, just saying that the term "tobacco" is used to describe juices that have no tobacco in the juice, and other references are referring to juices that literally started out as leaves and through a long laborious process became a tobacco juice that I LOVE.

p.s. NLV Bounty Hunter is considered a "tobacco" juice? Really?!

You stated this perfectly. Before trying out true macerated naturally extracted tobacco juice I really loved rawrs Poison. It was the closest I found to tobacco. After trying out Vermillion River classic blend, and The plume room and Heathers heavenly tobaccos Poison tastes artificial. Im spoiled now. Have you used NET tobaccos with your DID Mr Mann?
Because if they dont work with my precious tobaccos than I would have to pass. Its hard to spend 130.00 and not have it work for my favorite juice and have it only for the occasional OTT (other than tobacco) Like always leaves me with more to think about.

 

[Pete54]

Congrats Plerskine, and thanks for the contest Jim!

 

[L7D4N]

Congrats to the winner, and thank you for the contest Jim. I scored a Short Mode last night and ordered the SS nuts and thumbscrews to upgrade mine without needing tools to tote around.

I'll be hitting this thread up once it comes in. Even though I've had a Line for a month, I was never able to perfect my wick/coil setup due to hotspots and burning. I have no doubt that with the easier to use DID, I won't have those issues being able to secure the wire, not wrapping around a silver wire.