New Genesis type atomizer by DID!

[dspin]

Hey folks been, reading this thread avidly for last couple of months, finally got to posting my newbie five to be able to post here.
I have been very impressed with the generosity and kindness of this thread's contributors, I already feel like I know you all quite well, It's been like watching a soap opera about the Golden (or silver) child that is the DID, Big respect to Jim also, who seems like the most caring father to all us DIDers.
I love my DID std, I have read all the set-up posts (yes all twenty seven million nine hundred and seven), watched all the videos and I'm very grateful for the info and wisdom, but I am still having flavor/taste strength issues.All flavors tried are muted or vague, Great Vapor though and no bunt or metallic taste
I have a great stable coil (even 6 wrap 32g twisted kanthal 1.4Ohms no shorts or hotspots), great wick ( snug but not tight in the hole, 55m rolled with small center hole and large outer wall, ( rolled first part tight then second part larger, kind of like a dual wick small in large set-up, but all rolled in one piece.) well oxidized, quenched ( the quenching was the key for me, regards getting no shorts) bunt with e-liquid etc.
I am vaping "Vapeking" tobacco flavors , VK5, Royal BLEND, Virginia Flue cured.
I just can't seem to get the flavor strength from the DID I do from my 'Cotton wool pad wicked' CC Kanger 2.4ml SR.
I have read rave reviews on "great flavor,So intense, too intense,ROBUST with flavor.
I have read that too much flavor can equal no flavor & that cartos mute flavor so an over flavored juice comes through well, but in my Kanger cotton wool wick set-up ?
I have read thin wall wicks have better flavor, dual wicks have better flavor, more wraps have better flavor, more watts gets better flavor.
My head is spinning, and I feel I am a tenacious student
Have read that the position of the top brass nut will affect flavor, the higher, or closer to the mouthpiece hole
it is the more vapor, the lower on the post it is more flavor (too intense was mentioned, due to juice globule splatter into the mouth!)
I have read about members not using tobacco juices in their DID's but Scott (and others) seems happy with his RY4 or His other tobacco juice in the video.
I am not ready to put my DID aside for desert and fruit juices, which I'm not keen on yet.
I have read that people get "great" flavor with the Line by Van, and wondered if the smaller chamber or more direct airflow from the wick to the mouthpiece are the answer, but I keep hearing how great the flavor is on the DID and am feeling like I MUST be missing out
I love tinkering,and love the DID, but I am putting my life on hold to get this thing sorted, and there seems no end in sight.
Please help.

Try diff wick diameters. Far as tobacco goes - I use extracted tobacs from Want2Vape and am trying some now from HouseofLiquid - still steeping in the leaves. All I can say is - they are not for me in genisis. They stay in drip mode or Odysseus. I was told along time ago to try sweet or fruit type juices in genisis. Now who would have thought dspin would love Orange Creamsicle in genisis. I do, among others - yet the OC is just awful in Odys or A-2 drip mode. Thats the best I can describe my experience with genisis.

Side note, something is wrong with # of wraps and ohms you are describing

 

[Brigit]

Yessss,I DID it too

There is quit some story behind all this, but to be short: when I started looking for the atomizer that would provide me with the possibility to vape trough the rest of my life, I've seen the most beautiful things passing by on my screen.
Then I stumbled last week upon the site of Jim.
When I read this one little sentence: 'an atomizer forever', I knew I ended up in the right place.

Embracing the power of simplicity, combining it with good craftsmanship and the love for what you do,
but also the awareness that building for life instead of keep piling up the mounten of disposables is a little stepp we all can take.
Maybe not aways, but thanks to people like Jim and others in vaping we at least have the choice.

So, happy to have found the site, I ordered last week but it wasn't possible to pay.
Later I found out that the shop was closed for the time needed to ship the orders.

OK, I never thougth I would do this
but I have been sleeping (virtually) in front of the shop to order as soon as it would open.
Friday evening the doors opened and I DID ;-)

I dicided for 2 Mini-DiDs with one set of small spare parts.
They will accompany my Provari witch supplies me with the technical necessaties I need for rebuilding and of course power
The other one will crown my 14500 Titanide, a mechanical mod, also build to last a lifetime, build with simplicity and love for material in mind.
For me, these two sets combine everything I need or even want in Vaping.



So Jim, you say you build for a lifetime…I take the chalange and I decided to prove you're right.



In a few days time I will probably start to stalk the mailman…
But before that, I see I have about 650 pages to read …

If, 20 years from now, you see an old lady in France, enjoying her 'antique' DID, you'll all know who it is…

I'll keep you all posted…

 

[dspin]

Thank-you for all the replies,
I thought I mentioned my coil was 6 wrap 32g "TWISTED", as in double the wire on the coil. I have Made many single strand, untwisted 5 wrap coils that came in at 2.4 Ohms,also tried 4 & 3 wrap. I have had burning taste, hotspots and shorting in the beginning, but have got past those issues.
I have tried ALL reported methods of wick oxidization, and have found what works for me at the moment I think, but I always give any new suggestions a go.
I always pull my wick ~1mm up off the bottom of the tank and know that is not the issue.
Does anyone with a DID mini & a DID std notice any flavor strength difference?

Some people say not, but I certainly do. They are both diff. To me flavor and vapor is better on standard DID. Thats not to say the mini isn't good because it is. Wick size, air hole and vapor chamber all play a vital role in genisis.

 

[Frogster]

Wahoooo! I have just scored a second DID, someone on a UK Forum, purchased one 2 weeks ago and can't use it..... His loss, my gain....
let the good times roll!!

 

[studiovap]

Thanks for your comments dspin. Can you tell me what taste characteristics you don't like with the tobaccos in genesis and what makes them good in the Oddy, and do you use silica, fiberglass or cotton wick in the Oddy. I don't think I have tried genuine extracted tobacco e-juice, we are a bit limited with suppliers here in Oz. Let me know if anyone has had any luck finding an Australia juice vendor that has extracted tobaccos. Can anyone tell me how the ET's compare to RY4s and the like.

 

[rolbyroland]

My only problem with my DID is that I need to change coil every 2 days. I ordered Kanthal 30AWG 100m, 50m 32awg Kanthal, but where can I buy some time?

 

[ricklynchcore]

My only problem with my DID is that I need to change coil every 2 days. I ordered Kanthal 30AWG 100m, 50m 32awg Kanthal, but where can I buy some time?

Why? I am two weeks on same coil, two months same wick?

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[rolbyroland]

Due to deposits on the coil liquid flavor disappears and vapors are fewer. I use 70/30 vg/pg.

 

[ricklynchcore]

Due to deposits on the coil liquid flavor disappears and vapors are fewer. I use 70/30 vg/pg.

I guess its a matter of taste. I vape 100% vg, wick gets crusted and full of deposits, but does not bother me. In fact, I kinda like when it crusts up because any shorting, wicking, or other problems disappear after it gets, what I call, seasoned. I just vape the tank to 0, and dry burn the coils, reload and go.

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[rolbyroland]

I tried to dry burn the coil but hot spots appear (and shorts); resulting E1 on Provari.

 

[Pete54]

I tried to dry burn the coil but hot spots appear (and shorts); resulting E1 on Provari.

Well that would be why it tastes bad and needs changing. If the setup was short free, you could just dry burn and refill. If it has hot spots when it's empty, it had hot spots when it was full which adversely affected the flavor from the get go.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I tried to dry burn the coil but hot spots appear (and shorts); resulting E1 on Provari.

I would try loosening the top nut, slide your wick out. Roll it down some. Slide it back in, and re set your coil so its a hair more loose than before (but NOT seeing air).

Get a small pin and start dry burning, if the coils aren't moving evenly, nudge them around until they do. Let us know how this works for you.

Even if your coil was spot on when you first made it, a few tankfuls, teaspoons of gunk, followed by dry burns can cause expansion and constriction which will lead to shorts. You can fix it though. Just be gentle so you don't snap the coil.

 

[MiriamWTH]

Yessss,I DID it too

There is quit some story behind all this, but to be short: when I started looking for the atomizer that would provide me with the possibility to vape trough the rest of my life, I've seen the most beautiful things passing by on my screen.
Then I stumbled last week upon the site of Jim.
When I read this one little sentence: 'an atomizer forever', I knew I ended up in the right place.

Embracing the power of simplicity, combining it with good craftsmanship and the love for what you do,
but also the awareness that building for life instead of keep piling up the mounten of disposables is a little stepp we all can take.
Maybe not aways, but thanks to people like Jim and others in vaping we at least have the choice.

So, happy to have found the site, I ordered last week but it wasn't possible to pay.
Later I found out that the shop was closed for the time needed to ship the orders.

OK, I never thougth I would do this
but I have been sleeping (virtually) in front of the shop to order as soon as it would open.
Friday evening the doors opened and I DID ;-)

I dicided for 2 Mini-DiDs with one set of small spare parts.
They will accompany my Provari witch supplies me with the technical necessaties I need for rebuilding and of course power
The other one will crown my 14500 Titanide, a mechanical mod, also build to last a lifetime, build with simplicity and love for material in mind.
For me, these two sets combine everything I need or even want in Vaping.



So Jim, you say you build for a lifetime…I take the chalange and I decided to prove you're right.



In a few days time I will probably start to stalk the mailman…
But before that, I see I have about 650 pages to read …

If, 20 years from now, you see an old lady in France, lurking on an 'antique' DID, you'll all know who it is…

I'll keep you all posted…

I wish there was a LOVE! button aswell as a just "Like" button

 

[A17kawboy]

Jim must be swamped. His site is closed to new orders again. Nice to see he is so successful.

 

[dspin]

Due to deposits on the coil liquid flavor disappears and vapors are fewer. I use 70/30 vg/pg.

Hey rolb, make sure all your contacts and threads on you mod are clean, (not to say they aren't) and most important too is a fresh hard hitting battery. I change out batts when they get to 3.85-3.9 - running them lower than that aids in deposits on coil and mesh. I do not get crusts and deposits and use 100 vg mostly in genisis.

 

[dspin]

Thanks for your comments dspin. Can you tell me what taste characteristics you don't like with the tobaccos in genesis and what makes them good in the Oddy, and do you use silica, fiberglass or cotton wick in the Oddy. I don't think I have tried genuine extracted tobacco e-juice, we are a bit limited with suppliers here in Oz. Let me know if anyone has had any luck finding an Australia juice vendor that has extracted tobaccos. Can anyone tell me how the ET's compare to RY4s and the like.

I use silica in Odys that Imeo supplies, I love it, its great. I also use Nextel for dripping the the Bulli A-2. I really cant explain why I dont like the W2V or Vaperite extracted juices in genisis. They just dont taste good to me. I will try the House of Liquid though when its ready. Vaperite has some extracted tobacs and a coffee and he ships worldwide. He sells sample tobacco packs so that would be good to try. Not all of his are great, forget the cigar - one must understand cigar and pipe tobaccos and want2vape excels in that

 

[yankeebobo]

Hey rolb, make sure all your contacts and threads on you mod are clean, (not to say they aren't) and most important too is a fresh hard hitting battery. I change out batts when they get to 3.85-3.9 - running them lower than that aids in deposits on coil and mesh. I do not get crusts and deposits and use 100 vg mostly in genisis.

Damn. THAT could be part of why I get that as well. I don't go too low, but definitely lower than that

 

[fuzzione]

Thought I'd copy one of my recent posts in the Vmax thread here as it might be of some help to some. Bottom line appears to be don't overtighten the bottom nut (touching the white spacer) too far or it could introduce problems, by compromising your positive post. The phenomenon I encountered below with the 'buzzing vmax' has been reported by a number of people using the vmax/RBA combo.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ktech-vmax-owners-tips-tricks-quirks-164.html

Success! I've solved my DID/Vmax buzzing problem and I hope this helps anyone else in the same predicament.

It was the center positive pole of the DID. If the bottom connector does not protrude far enough out it creates a short. I discovered this accidently as I was rocking the DID a little back and forth on the vmax....you could hear the buzzing start and stop. I took the DID off and adjusted the center pin so it sticks out just a hair further out the bottom and presto. Buzzing stopped, ohm reading stabilized and it's perfect once again. Vaping like a bloody steam engine in fact.

After cleaning and reassembling my DID last time I must have tightened the bottom nut a little too much, forcing the bottom connector up the shaft too far.

So check those positive posts if you're experiencing an unwanted buzz

I intentionally reproduced this phenomenon by deliberately overtightening that nut and sure enough, the buzzing was back. Adjusting the center post cured the problem. I shudder to think what I've put the poor circuit board through all this time but it's still alive and functioning beautifully!

 

[Frogster]

You could always try extracting your own flavour from cigars / tobacco etc.

I do it from whole leaf tobacco with good results, and love it in my DID, however filtering the microscopic particals from the resulting home made concentrate is the biggest problem...

Although it tastes really good, it will gunk / crust up your wick and coil quicker than commercial juices. Not the end of the world, and to me, it's worth the extra cleaning required as a trade off for using my own juice, that has IMHO much better flavour.

 

[studiovap]

Was just reading elsewhere on ecf about tobbacco extraction in Vg technique.
Have a pouch of rolling tobacco left over from the day I quit, so off to the store tomorrow to buy vg , coffee filters and mini saucepan.
Can't wait to try it. The post says you only need 10-20 % of the resulting extract, so I can add it to my other flavors for a variety of new mix options. The thread mentioned is a great resource. (below)
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/liquid-extraction-tobacco/99774-vg-pipe-tobacco-essense.html