New & having problems...need some advice

[jendee]

I am new to vaping. I ordered a starter kit from Cloud 9 about three weeks ago. I really wish I hadn't done that!! The batteries I got with my kit are the open type. I have since learned that isn't what you want.

vaping went well for a few days. I was LOVING it! I immediately quit analogs. Then the troubles began. I would fill my cart with juice (2 to 3 drops) and nothing. It was almost like (as another user put it) sucking on my thumb. I read and read about it on the forums. I learned about flooding the atty. Then I would blow it out. Try again. Still nothing! Repeat, repeat, repeat. I swear I've wasted most of my juice by flooding my atty!

I washed my atty out with warm water and let it dry overnight. Same thing the next day. Finally after sucking on the darn thing for almost an entire day and wasting tons of juice, it began to work again! It was awesome! Well last night, it started acting up again. Same problem. I cleaned it out with the water and let it dry overnight. Today it's still not working. I am so extremely frustrated that I went out and bought a pack of analogs. I really really didn't want to smoke them ever again! I would much rather vape.

I have read as much as possible trying to fix this. I have two little ones at home and I don't have a ton of free time. I have been so happy with vaping too. My kids aren't being exposed to smoke and their allergies have greatly improved! (Even though I NEVER smoked indoors.) My clothes don't smell. It's been great! Now this. If anyone could give me some insight on how to fix this I would appreciate it.

I do have a back up atty I also ordered from Cloud 9 that's not worked since I got it. My husband is not thrilled with the cost of vaping, so I really need to get this dang thing to work. Thank you sooo much for reading this and for any help you can offer.

Jen

 

[MissVapor]

I have no experience with Cloud9 so I can't say...but it sounds like you are doing it right..have you tried dripping directly on to the atomizer instead of using your cart? I know it can be frustrating at times trying to figure out what the "correct" amt of drops is without flooding it..

You can get a 510 kit pretty cheap like $40-45..

 

[martha1014]

I also had problems when filling carts myself. Not only can it be time consuming and messy but is not satisfying to me. I started just dripping and get so much better throat hit and vapor.

 

[whiskey]

Or it could mean atty's are not good, you didn't mention if they were getting hot or not so I'd also check the battery's? The people @ cloud 9 are okay..I've placed orders for bat's before with no problems..so keep checking your gear, one item at a time to rule put whats causing the problems..

 

[DC2]

I would go back to step one and work my way forward until I found out what the issue is.

So step one in this case would be making sure your batteries are working consistently. You may have gotten some juice in them and gunked them up and then whether they work or not at any given moment could become unpredictable.

If you determine the batteries are working fine, then blow out an atomizer, put three drops on the atomizer bridge, let it soak in for 30 seconds, put two more drops on the atomizer bridge, put on an EMPTY cartridge and try it out.

 

[urbanite]

I think we'd all need a bit more information to help you.

What device did you get from cloud9? I suppose something from the GG range? If so have a look at the GG subforum. The GG devices are mods and as such require a bit more tinkering with to get the setup right as I understood reading these forums.

I haven't yet got my order from cloud9 in just yet, but this is due to Russian post being slower than a snail, they do seem to be a pretty good vendor and quite willing to be helpful, so maybe even ringing up or emailing Lisa about it could help?

 

[mistinthewoods]

I agree with DC. Also take a Q-Tip and clean the contacts between the atty and battery real good. That's often a problem.

 

[jendee]

I did forget to mention that the model is a 510. When you say drip on the bridge of the atty, do you mean on the outside of it or inside? This question may sound silly, but I'm new.

I am going to try cleaning the connections between the battery and the atty also. Both attys are getting hot, but not consistantly. It's a hit and miss with both. I really wish I'd ordered something easier to deal with for a starter kit.

Thanks so much for all the help! I really appreciate it.

 

[CaptJay]

The backup atty that didn't work from the get-go you should contact them about and get it replaced - as for the other one...
Atties are pretty disposable things they aren't going to last you a long long time (some do which is great, Im just saying don't EXPECT them to); some go wrong really fast (annoyingly so) and while you can spend ages trying to fix them, I just get new ones as they are cheap (cheaper usually than a carton of cigs).
I'm not sure why your hubby is annoyed at your costs - start up costs for anything
can be high, long term its cheaper, but really shouldn't your health be more of a concern? I mean, just tell him that hospital bills (and time off work for him, or having to make arrangements to care for kids) compared to your curent costs = savings. He may also think PVs are somehow a 'silly fad' like the infomercials on TV for amazing products that aren't quite worth their cost once you buy one. Maybe hes thinking youre going to be disappointed long term.
If you can get it to work right, it should work for you; if it starts being a huge pain and you get frustrated and give up on it (which is why I think some people go back to smoking, its simpler) then it WILL be a waste of cash.
Hopefully cloud9 can sort out a replacement for the backup dud (doubtful they're going to replace the other atty as its been well used) and if not - dump them and go with someone better. Just don't waste HOURS of trying to fix the atty imo its just not worth it (espeically if it goes wrong again a few days later)
GOod luck, come back anytime iwth more questions if needed.

 

[Shaka]

One of my 510 attys became erratic. If I screwed it on too tight or too loose it somehow lost contact with the batt. Don't know if that's your situation, but try what Mist suggests by cleaning the contacts well with a Q-tip and make small adjustments in tightness. Works for mine, hope it works for yours.

Also, "drip on the bridge" means to drip 2-3 drops directly on the woven wick that you see sticking up inside the atty. Since you have an open battery, don't go too much more than that.

Good luck!

 

[DC2]

One of my 510 attys became erratic. If I screwed it on too tight or too loose it somehow lost contact with the batt.

Good call, that could also be the problem.

Check out this link for more information on how to fix if this is the problem...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...have-atty-works-1-device-but-not-another.html

 

[Mia]

Hi Jendee!

Did you order your kit from England, that's where Cloud 9 is?

Or is this what you ordered at Clouds of Vapor? The name is so close.



Starter Kits

 

[jendee]

I ordered it from cloud9smoking.com. They are located in New York from what I understand.

I did get it working with the direct dripping technique for a couple of hours last night. Then it quit again. I guess I'll just have to look into getting something else. I'm leaning towards a manual type. I really like the 510! I just want something to work consistantly!

 

[WetStick]

I ordered it from cloud9smoking.com. They are located in New York from what I understand.

I did get it working with the direct dripping technique for a couple of hours last night. Then it quit again. I guess I'll just have to look into getting something else. I'm leaning towards a manual type. I really like the 510! I just want something to work consistantly!

I want to try and give you a hand with this, I don't want you to get discourage with using these things. Once you get the hang of it, they really are great.

When you say that it quit; do you mean that it stops producing vapor all together, even though the light on the battery still glows? Or that you get a gurgling sound and just a tiny bit of vapor?

I don’t use the drip method, myself. I use cartridges, and I fill my own. Once you get the hang of doing this, you may want to look into using a different material than what come with the cartridges. There are sections in here that talk about all the different ways to make these things work better. I use the blue foam with a coffee stirrer to hold it up. But, don’t concern yourself with that right now.

If I say something that is so obvious, that you say to yourself; “well duh”, I’m sorry; I’m just trying to cover all the bases.

So, I’m assuming that you’re using the white fiber stuff that typically comes with a cartridge. There are a couple things that you need to think about when filling a cartridge (cart). You want the white material to be fluffed up and take up all the space in the cart. I’m assuming that you’re using a dropper and not a syringe. So, with the white material out of the cart, drip about 6 to 8 drops of liquid in the cart. Stop when the liquid is about ¼ inch from the top. Slowly, push the fluffed white material into the cart. Hopefully, the liquid doesn’t over flow. If so, next time use less drops. Then with tweezers align the white material so it is flush with the top of the cart and (with the tweezers) kind of lightly brush and maneuver the white material so that there are no gaps around the edges. Drip a couple more drops of liquid on top of the white material. You want it to be saturated enough with liquid, so if you touch it, you get a drop of liquid on your finger; but when you turn it upside down, nothing drips out. If you have too much liquid sitting on top; use an empty dropper to suck up the excess.

Now try this: when you put the cart in the atomizer (Atty), don’t put it all the way in. Try to leave a gap about the thickness of your fingernail, where you see the two pieces meet.

When you are vapeing; when the taste changes to a (hard to explain) hot or burnt taste; push the Cart the rest of the way on.
I found that when I used to white stuff; I had to pull the cart off every 10-15 hits and tweeze the white material around a little to get the top of it wet. I would smoke the liquid faster than it had a chance to wick its way up.

I don’t know if this will help you; but this is what I ran into when I started to vape. It all about learning when it’s too much or too little liquid to the Atty.

 

[jendee]

Thank you! I will try this out. To answer your question, yes. The battery light is glowing when I puff, but there's no vapor. The atty is heating up as well. I am experimenting with the dripping on the bridge, but so far I've just been flooding the atty. I have noticed the wick isn't getting anything from the cart, so this is a great suggestion to pull out the filler.

I ordered a Joye 510 this morning. I'm hoping this works out better. I will still continue to use the Cloud 9 also. Thanks again for the help!

 

[Mia]

Hi Jendee!

Just as I thought about your kit. It isn't one of the better ones.




Mia

 

[DC2]

Thank you! I will try this out. To answer your question, yes. The battery light is glowing when I puff, but there's no vapor. The atty is heating up as well. I am experimenting with the dripping on the bridge, but so far I've just been flooding the atty. I have noticed the wick isn't getting anything from the cart, so this is a great suggestion to pull out the filler.

I ordered a Joye 510 this morning. I'm hoping this works out better. I will still continue to use the Cloud 9 also. Thanks again for the help!

I'm a little concerned that without figuring out the issue you may run into the same problems with the 510 as well. So with that in mind, how is the dripping experiment is going?

 

[DaveP]

Jendee, if you haven't already, go to the ECF Library and read the 6 part article "The wonderful world of vaping". There's a wealth of info on usage, hardware, theory, and problem solving, as well as an overview of E-liquids. There are also many other articles that are invaluable as well. You mentioned that yours was a 510. This is a popular E-cig.

The cartridge supplies the atomizer with liquid which is heated in the atomizer to create vapor from the liquid. If your atomizer is getting hot and you get no vapor, then the cart isn't feeding liquid to the atomizer heating coil. When this happens you have to pop out the cart, drop a few drops of liquid on the cart fiber fill material and re-insert it. If the atty is dry, it helps to drop a couple of drops on the bridge. The bridge is the metallic cloth arch that you see when you look into the hole where the cartridge was pulled from.

If you are hearing gurgling sounds and getting no vapor, the atty is flooded. The atty can't heat the liquid to vapor temps if the heating coil is flooded with liquid. If this is the case, you need to blow out the atty. You do this by removing the atty from the battery, pop out the cart, and hold the atty over a paper towel. Blow through the end with the threads (the part that screws into the battery). Blow hard for 10 seconds at a time. You will see drops of discolored liquid fall onto the paper towel. Blow until you get no more liquid on the towel. Then put a drop of liquid on the fiber filler in the cart and insert it into the atty. You should get vapor now.

Use the library to familiarize yourself with the parts of the E-cig and how they work. This will go a long way toward understanding what went wrong and how to rectify the problem. Don't get discouraged! We all have had our little setbacks and most of us have placed an order for another E-cig base on our experiences with the first one we bought. The Joye 510 is a good E-cig. Make sure you have extra batteries, atomizers, and juices and keep those batteries charging!

 

[DC2]

If your atomizer is getting hot and you get no vapor, then the cart isn't feeding liquid to the heating coil. When this happens you have to pop out the cart, drop a few drops of liquid on the fiber fill material and re-insert it.

Can't that also happen if you flood it?

 

[midnightonmars]

Jendee - if you ordered the Joye 510 w/manual batteries I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised. I'm new to vaping and just got mine about 5 hrs ago. It's been working great! I'm still on battery #1 and have topped off the cart once so far. With not quite a day under my belt yet I don't have a lot to go off of but I'm am loving this thing! Not sure how people are going through a battery in 1-2 hrs. They must really be vaping away! Thanks to everyone else for your advise. I'm sure I'll be taking advantage of it once my vp starts going downhill.