New member looking at getting a provari advice needed
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Kanthal A1 Type Wire - 0.21mm (210 Micron - 32 AWG) - (FeCrAl alloy) - 40.44 ohms/m
They just sell wire !.
I've got about a mile of wire !. 50 metre spools from 24g - 32g.
UK vendor for any wire you'll ever need.
Kanthal A1 Type Wire - 0.21mm (210 Micron - 32 AWG) - (FeCrAl alloy) - 40.44 ohms/m
They just sell wire !.
I've got about a mile of wire !. 50 metre spools from 24g - 32g.
Correct. In his case he has amp limits (3.5 amps) that will prevent him from going high power. About as low as one can go on a Provari mini is .9 - 1.0 ohms and then maybe 12 - 14 watts maximum. That still fits in the range of many vapers (me included) but with many going higher power the older Provaris wouldn't cut the mustard. They were designed back in the day before subohming became popular.
Errors will occur and the Provari won't fire if he has a low ohm thick wire coil and tries to vape high volts. Even a 2.5ohm coil won't fire above about 5.5v - 5.6v.
An E1 error will be displayed.
An E1 error will be displayed.
Like I said, the Provari 2.5 chip was designed in the day when the vast majority of people vaped 1.5 - 2.4 ohm coils at 12 watts and less. There are still many who do but also many who have gone higher power.
I already ordered the 28g wire will try a few different style and get some different wire if I think I need. Can I wrap the 28g wire 1mm diameter also.
Yes, you can wrap at 1.0mm but it isn't the best. Too hard to thread a wick through it. I always wrapped 2.0 mm (10 wraps) coils on my Kayfun Lites. But the KM3 is a narrower deck so I elected to go with a 2.4mm (7 wrap) coil because it fits better on the KM3.
I also use 28 gauge kanthal. It should work fine on your Provari mini. Let me introduce you to a new characteristic about coil gauge. The thicker the wire the longer it takes for the heat to ramp up and produce vapor. I mean, we're talking a fraction of a second but it is noticeable. 28 gauge takes longer to heat up than 30 gauge. It is noticeable. What happens is you will allow your fire button to stay depressed a second longer before taking a drag using 28 gauge versus 30 gauge. 30 gauge heats up quicker. The disadvantage of 30 gauge is it is thinner wire and easier to deform when changing out wicks. They simply don't hold up as well as 28 gauge. Incidentally, this ramp up time I am talking about has been eliminated with the most modern mods. For example, Temperature Control devices have virtually no ramp up time. Neither does the newer Provari mods that employ Boost feature. Basically, it surges the power to the coil when you hit the fire button and it backs down once it is up to temperature. It eliminates the ramp up time.
Means more wraps, that's a lot of wraps. As i recall, vaguely, i was building a coil of 28g with 12 wraps at 2mm because i thought i'd get a decent vape. But all i ever got was an E1 error message because i was turning up the power to reduce ramp up time. And that's the problem, ramp up time !. It'll take a few seconds for the coil to heat up enough to get a decent vape. Ramp up time with 32g is almost instant. And think about this. 32g, 1mm, 5 wraps only needs, for me, 3.7 volts !. With the Provari mini you'll need to preserve all the power you can with the smaller batteries it takes.
Pretty basic and easy to use "Steam Engine" coil wrapping. Gives you a general idea about coil building. Coil wrapping
I have..... believe me, I knew exactly what device the OP has bought. I have had many provari s thru the years and still have a 2.5. I also have many kayfuns and have made soo many different builds on them over the years to know every single thing there is to know about them and in conjunction with the provari. I never recommended a low ohm, hi powered set up for the OP ever. I recommended a 1.3 ish ohm coil , which imo is optimal with a 2mm coil. This may be around 8 wraps which has great wick coverage and at 1.3 ohms, there is no worries what so ever on the provari's amp limit either and in fact is about the only ohm range that can , if wanted, do the full 15 watts. Yes the OP is vaping at low wattage for sure and when I recommended the 28g I didn't know it was that low unless I also would of said 30, but 32? Way too thin and a real pain for someone just starting their coil building skills. And obviously the higher the gauge, the smaller the I'd of the coil has to be, so if using 30g you must make a smaller coil, and like you with 32g, a 1 mm coil is probably optimal. I also believe another advantage of a larger ID coil (if the ramp time works for you) is Slightly more wicking material on the ledge , which brings more juice to coil , which in turns produced more flavor and less chance for dry hits. Like I mentioned it is a balancing act for sure and does take a little while for someone to dial in their sweet spot. But as for error messages on a 1.3 ohm coil at any wattages on the p 2.5, absolutely should never produce one.
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Yeah it is about as good as i can get it. I also wick rabbit ears style. Rather than just leaving the wick ends resting over the juice holes i'll loosely fill the wells with wick after screwing on the barrel.
And yes it's true 32g does require a fair bit of experience, maybe something i over looked. I've built countless coils with it over the last 2 or 3 years.
I do still think 1.3ohm is rather low, the provari doesn't go much lower so really in that respect it is low. And taking into account it will be built with 28g then ramp up time would still be an issue. And the Provari won't go up in volts very high until it displays the E1 error message. All this is what i've experienced since i got my Kayfun and i haven't really used it on anything else apart from my 2.5.
28g doesn't work for me. 32g, 1mm id is great for airflow. A fat 28g 2 - 2.5mm stifles airflow.
Also just like to add that a 1mm coil built of 32g isn't that fragile. It's small diameter makes it quite rigid compared to say 2 for example. The wraps are spread too. It's a pretty neat little assembly.
I do still think 1.3ohm is rather low, the provari doesn't go much lower so really in that respect it is low. And taking into account it will be built with 28g then ramp up time would still be an issue. And the Provari won't go up in volts very high until it displays the E1 error message. All this is what i've experienced since i got my Kayfun and i haven't really used it on anything else apart from my 2.5.
28g doesn't work for me. 32g, 1mm id is great for airflow. A fat 28g 2 - 2.5mm stifles airflow.
Also just like to add that a 1mm coil built of 32g isn't that fragile. It's small diameter makes it quite rigid compared to say 2 for example. The wraps are spread too. It's a pretty neat little assembly.
Incidentally i also set my airflow so it resembles the kind of draw i'd expect from a filter cigarette.
All that, along with some high VG Cappuccino flavoured (Capella) e liquid is the kind of thing i like to wake up to in the morning. Reminds me of the days when it was coffee and smokes.
Lovely !. ( said with a very satifying exhale of coffee flavoured vapour)
Good times !.
All that, along with some high VG Cappuccino flavoured (Capella) e liquid is the kind of thing i like to wake up to in the morning. Reminds me of the days when it was coffee and smokes.
Lovely !. ( said with a very satifying exhale of coffee flavoured vapour)
Good times !.
thanks for all your advice, i should have the kayfun here tomorrow and be set to go, I think a lot is gonna be trial and error and i have my nautilus tank to use until i master the art
once I'm comfortable with coil building i am going to DIY liquids, at the moment I'm vaping on blue slush which is quite nice
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