New on the forum and looking for some advice.

[PH79]

Hi! My mom have been smoking for all her life and now I am trying to find a good E-cigarette for her. I have been reading a lot of the available information and I still find it hard to choose. She smokes 15 cigarettes a day. The brand is Level, it's like Prince and rich taste. So I am looking for some advice on the best starting kit and if I need something more than that. I also read that the liquids are most important (makes sence) as long as you have a decent model. She does not want anything other than something that tastes like smoke. So if anyone knows something that tastes similar to Prince/Level I would appriciate it! Thanks

 

[dormouse]

Where is Malmoe? What country? Different countries have different products available.

And nothing tastes like smoke. Cigarette smoke has carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, tar, cyanide, formaldehyde, carpet glue and 4000 other chemicals. No elqiuid vapor will taste like that. However there are plenty of liquids that smell like tobacco and the nicotine provides a throat hit like cigarettes.

Also - will she be willing to accept something much larger than a cigarette - something bigger like the size of a big magic marker and filling her own cartomizer blanks? Because those are the best models. And will she be capable of refilling cartomizers herself with eliquid (the answer has to be YES or that she is rich and can throw out prefills every day). ANd does she have any infirmity to prevent her from pressing a button?

If you think she would want a slimmer model, I recommend SmokelessImage Volt w/ manual 78mm batteries (makes 120mm ecig a bit thicker than a cigarette). Can also use cartomizers from Bloogplanet, Halocigs G6 and Vapor4Life. That is the simplest type of model, the best and nearly only model choice for prefilled cartomizers, as well as the strongest slim model. Buy eliquid. And for the manual batteries you can also add a DSE901 standard resistance atomizer and drip tip for testing juices bought elsewhere (you can get those 2 items at LiteCigUSA.net). Keep the cartomizers damp with eliquid to get 4-7 days use out of each.

I never heard of the cigarettes she smokes. Is it full strength tobacco?

 

[DaveP]

Dekang liquids are all over the world. DK-TAB is a strong cigarette flavored juice that lots of people like. RY4 is another. Dekang liquids are mostly 100% VG. If you want PG flavors, those are also available all over the internet. Most people order a mix of sample tobacco flavors and go from there. You will just have to see who ships to your area.

 

[dormouse]

Dekang liquids are mostly 100% PG, not VG

100% PG is thin, works for any vaping method, lets through the most flavor and nicotine thoat hit, but also the most nicotine irritation and makes thin vapor that disappears quickly. Having some Vg in the juice smooths the irritation, only dulls the Th and flavor a bit, adds thicker vapor.

 

[wv2win]

Dekang liquids are all over the world. DK-TAB is a strong cigarette flavored juice that lots of people like. RY4 is another. Dekang liquids are mostly 100% VG. If you want PG flavors, those are also available all over the internet. Most people order a mix of sample tobacco flavors and go from there. You will just have to see who ships to your area.

DeKang use to be 100% PG. I got some about 2 months ago and it was definitely 100% PG.

To the OP, for less hassle and better performance, I would suggest a Riva 510 or an E-Power 510. Liberty Flights has very good prices and they also have a large selection of "tobacco" like flavors. No eliquid will be just like a "smoke". But if you get your Mom a better "beginner" model such as these two, at least the vapor will be warmer and she won't have to change batteries every hour.

Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Riva 510

e-Power

 

[PH79]

Thanks for the answers.

dormouse: Malmoe is in Sweden. I think she is willing to try larger models if they are the better ones. Is it hard to refill the cartomizers? If not and if you save money I think thats the best option. No I don't think she minds pressing a button if thats the best option.

Yes I think its full strength tobacco she smokes. The models you named are the slimmer ones right? If the larger ones are better, which of those would you recommend?

DaveP: DK-TAB and RY4, are they PG-flavours or only VG. PG is more taste right?

 

[dormouse]

Liberty-Flights.co.uk is a good shop.

I don't think you will find Smokeless Volt or Bloog in the UK or Europe but you could ask in the Uk and Europe forums or Bloogplanet may have a section on ECF. The Bloogplanet MaxxFusion, SmokelessImage Volt and Halocigs G6 are all the same kind of KR808D-1.

Of the larger models I recommend Riva 510 SE at Liberty-Flights.co.uk - see if they have the new kind with the 3-click enable/disable. The Riva 510 SE is a real 3.7v device. And also buy a 510 drip tip and some Boge cartomizers, as well as high PG juices (because thin juices work best in cartomizers). I can get 10 days use out of a Boge carto with thin clear juice.

If you decide to get a slim model, I only recommend manual batteries and only models that cartomizers are available for. And slim models can only use standard resistance atomizers and cartomizers (around 2.5 to 3 ohms)

Warning - the person above linked to the US Liberty-Flights.com. You cant their Uk shop. Click the UK flag or go to Liberty-Flights.co.uk

 

[wv2win]

I would definitely get her the E-Power 510 (same as the Riva but cost much less to maintain) or the Riva 510. They have a good selection of tobacco flavored eliquid and there are many reviews to guide you on the differences in the flavors. The PG flavors are stronger and provide a little more throat hit. I would recommend starting with 18mg - 24mg nicotine strength as that is most common levels used.

Here is the Liberty Flights UK site:

Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - E-Power

 

[Slim]

PV: I really enjoyed the 510-based devices, namely the eGo 510, since it's extended battery lasts the whole day for me, and the parts are relatively inexpensive to maintain and easy to source.

Liquid: I think menthol smokers have the easiest time bridging to PV's since the strong mint is the main flavour. In short time though, I'm sure she'll enjoy the "fun flavours". I found the throat hit to be my "must have" feature. I started with menthol, then quickly tried all sorts of flavours. My current vales are RY4 (that's the permanent one) DK-TAB (mentioned earlier) and Vanilla Custard (great dessert vape)

 

[PH79]

Thanks for all the answers.

wv2win: The e-power 510 sounds good if it costs less to maintain but still is the "same" as the Riva. I see that they have two bundles on the site. 18650 bundle or 14650. Different batteries and different atomizers? I see that one of the bundles does not come with a EUplug. Wich one should I choose? Is there anything more I should buy or does the bundle contain everything I need except liquid?

 

[wv2win]

Thanks for all the answers.

wv2win: The e-power 510 sounds good if it costs less to maintain but still is the "same" as the Riva. I see that they have two bundles on the site. 18650 bundle or 14650. Different batteries and different atomizers? I see that one of the bundles does not come with a EUplug. Wich one should I choose? Is there anything more I should buy or does the bundle contain everything I need except liquid?

Since I have never ordered from the UK site, I don't really know the answer about the plug. You can email them and in the US they even have a phone number to call, so I would do one or the other and they are good at answering questions.

The E-Power's batteries only cost about $4 unlike the Riva's that cost $15+ and they last 4-5 times longer than the Riva/ego batteries. It's definitely the better long term deal for equal or better performance in that size personal vaporizer (PV).

I would get a 5 pack of unfilled/blank cartomizers and about 20ml -30ml of eliquid in 18mg to 24mg nicotine strength to start out. LF sells the small 5 ml bottles (as well as the larger 30ml bottles) so you can get several flavors to try. You can also read the reviews of other buyers who have commented on the various flavors to help decide which flavors to try.

I hope this helps.

 

[mynameisrob]

Get the 14650 E-Power. Its awesome. Thats what I use and absolutely love it. My batteries last a day to a day and a half, and like wv2win said, its much cheaper to maintain. Everything is replaceable on it so it really keeps costs down. Its a really great starter PV that is easy to use and is ot a hassle at all

 

[mynameisrob]

I recommedn getting a pack of cartomizers with it. it comes with 2 atomizers and 5 prefilled cartridges. Cartomizers are much easier to use and last a lot longer. (They are a cartridge and an atomizer combined). They come empty though so i would also get a few juices.

I would recommend you to get the "Ressurector" cartomizers, but I dont think you could get them to Sweden

 

[PH79]

Thanks for the help, I am about to order the E-Power 510 - 14650 Bundle.
Just a few things to see if I understood it right. The cartomizers I buy lasts for 1-2 weeks and then I take a new one. So if I buy a pack of 5 refillable they last for 5-10 weeks and I fill it up with juice and can smoke all day? Is the Boge 510 Cartomizer 2.0 Ohm a good choice? If I use the cartomizers I don't use the 2 atomizers in the bundle at all?

How long before you have to buy new batteries? They are manual right?

If she smokes 15 cigarettes a day. How long does 30 ml juice last?

 

[PH79]

Oh, also, is 24 mg nicotine to much? She smokes 15 cigarettes of Prince everyday.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Thanks for the help, I am about to order the E-Power 510 - 14650 Bundle.
Just a few things to see if I understood it right. The cartomizers I buy lasts for 1-2 weeks and then I take a new one. So if I buy a pack of 5 refillable they last for 5-10 weeks and I fill it up with juice and can smoke all day? Is the Boge 510 Cartomizer 2.0 Ohm a good choice? If I use the cartomizers I don't use the 2 atomizers in the bundle at all?

How long before you have to buy new batteries? They are manual right?

If she smokes 15 cigarettes a day. How long does 30 ml juice last?

Single Coil Cartomizer may last approx 1 week and will have to be filled many times per day or a number of them can be filled and used when needed- cap them with the rubber condoms they come packaged with. Understand that sometimes noobs have problems with cartos in the beginning- I would order a few extra + make absolute sure you have everything in your order. It's not only the extra shipping charge but also the wait.
Atomizers are generally used to test the taste rather than taint a cart with something you don't like.
Manual batts are the best. Less chance of damage from juice- more vaping control- sometimes auto batts activate because of loud sounds.
Batt info: 100 mah = 1 hour vaping time on single coil cartos. So if your batt is 1000 mah it should last about 10 hrs. Better not to allow the batts to discharge below 25% before recharging- they last longer.
Generally new vapers will vape about 4-5 ml per day.
As for Nic mg it's very personal but from what I understand Prince are very strong analogs so 24 mg may be ok. If needed you can mix extra PG and VG with it to dilute the nic down but flavor will also be affected. VG USP can be bought in most pharmacies but PG is sometimes harder to find.

 

[wv2win]

Good advice from Vapoor. Cartomizers last anywhere from a few days to a week. She must keep them damp all the time. DON'T let them get dry or she will sing the poly-fill and then you just have to throw it away and get a new one out.

I would definitely start out with 24mg nic strength. You can get some 11mg in the same flavor and then if she finds the 24mg too strong, mix in some 11mg to lower the strength without diluting the taste. Finding the right flavor eliquid is always the hard part. No eliquid tastes just like a cigarette. She may have to do some considerable "trial & error" before she settles with a flavor or two she really likes. Oh, and make sure she doesn't inhale just like most people smoke. Vaping is much dryer than smoking. Inhale into the mouth and then slowly at first into the lungs.

 

[hotsportinggoods]

I started with a Kr808d because I couldn't imagine smoking something that doesn't look at all like a cigarette. I don't know how old you mother is, but if she won't adapt well to refilling them, she can throw cartomizers out once she's done with them or you can refill them for her.
Once I moved on to the bigger models, I went through quite a few them, but I keep going back my good old EGO.
Both the Kr808d and EGO are durable and simple to use.

 

[mynameisrob]

Vapooreyeser did a good job at answering most of the questions you had. How long Cartomizers last depends on the juice your using,vaping habits, etc. I use the Ressurectors and get about 1-2 weeks average on one, but some alot longer. The one Im currently using for one juice ive been using for the last 4 and a half weeks. I recommend using a syringe to fill them bc that will ensure they aere filled correctly. Also how quickly they have to be refilled depends on what carto it is. Bigger ones hold more juice so they dont need to be refilled as often. If you can get the Ressurector cartomizers I would. They hold 2ml of juice, so they last a pretty long time. I normally fill them in the morning and they last all day.
The cartomizers will take the place of an atomizer/cartridge, but hold onto the ones that come with the kit. Youll get 2 atomizers with the kit and I recommend using them to test your juices. Once you find a juice you like, then fill a cartomizer. That way you dont waste cartos on juice you dont like.

Goodluck!

 

[Cibban]

PG can be bought from Swedish pharmacies. The problem is that there is one PG product that for some reason requires a prescription. PG in itself is prescription free but that one product usually makes pharmacy staff suspicious. Some convincing can therefore be necessary. Many cigar enthusisats use PG in their humidors and if asked, that would probably be the best explanation to give.

VG ("Glycerol" in Swedish) can also be bought from Swedish pharmacies but contains 15% water. It vapes but leaves a taste of cough medicine. Stay away from it unless you're into preserving twigs and leaves or making your own soap bubble mix. That's about all it can be used for.

Moreover, PG and VG is used as humidifiers in snus so you can probalby get it from places who sell DIY snus kits. raw tobacco etc. That is normally the same places you would buy DIY wine and beer kits, liquor essences etc.

That said, I would opt for buying PG and VG online form e-cig suppliers. The prices are way better and if you're into making your own juices you're gonna have to buy the nic online anyway. It's not sold over the counter i Sweden except as an ingredient in patches, gums etc. Nic counts as a medicine in Sweden and only pharmacies or pharmacy partners (like Pressbyrån) are allowed to sell them.

OP: I study in Lund and go to Malmoe from time to time. Maybe we could hook up and order some stuff together? That would cut some of the transport costs. Drop me a PM if it sounds interesting.