New sign at Walmart

[Munk]

It took me awhile to find, but here is the thread that started it...
It's these kind of people that are going to ruin it for all of us...

Ahhh okay haha. I read until about page 17 or so then lost steam -- I have to say there are good points on both sides (as is typically the case with any heated/ongoing issue). This next part is not aimed at you DC2, but to the general audience.

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I stand by the assertion that, if someone's argument creates a double-standard when the tables are turned, then there is a flaw somewhere in the logic. As such, anyone who feels they should be able to vape anytime/any place -- here is a thought exercise for you. Imagine a guest comes into your home, then proceeds to bend over, spread their buttcheeks, and blow huge fart clouds into the air? They are farting in your living room, in your dining room, in your kitchen, farting near your spouse, near your children, everywhere -- and they are doing it on purpose no less! Then when you try to put an end to it, they then get in your face about "their right" to fart where ever and whenever they want because it's not illegal and not hurting anyone.

Would that fly with you? Now imagine it's not your home this is happening in, but your business. And it's not farting per say, but something many of your guests find equally offensive? Do you think you should have the right to prohibit the offensive activity? It's your business after all, you pay for the space, you pay for the utilities, you pay the employees, and you rely on the money of your customers to support your family. Are you telling me you honestly think that this one person's "right" trumps all of that, as well as the rights of everyone else in your store? Or are you a hypocrite?

 

[crxess]

Yep, sure did. 1/16" drill bit.

Color me impressed. Would love to have one Bottom fed, I have 3, but the hands and eyes are not what they once were.

 

[ENAUD]

Ahhh okay haha. I read until about page 17 or so then lost steam -- I have to say there are good points on both sides (as is typically the case with any heated/ongoing issue). This next part is not aimed at you DC2, but to the general audience.

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I stand by the assertion that, if someone's argument creates a double-standard when the tables are turned, then there is a flaw somewhere in the logic. As such, anyone who feels they should be able to vape anytime/any place -- here is a thought exercise for you. Imagine a guest comes into your home, then proceeds to bend over, spread their buttcheeks, and blow huge fart clouds into the air? They are farting in your living room, in your dining room, in your kitchen, farting near your spouse, near your children, everywhere -- and they are doing it on purpose no less! Then when you try to put an end to it, they then get in your face about "their right" to fart where ever and whenever they want because it's not illegal and not hurting anyone.

Would that fly with you? Now imagine it's not your home this is happening in, but your business. And it's not farting per say, but something many of your guests find equally offensive? Do you think you should have the right to prohibit the offensive activity? It's your business after all, you pay for the space, you pay for the utilities, you pay the employees, and you rely on the money of your customers to support your family. Are you telling me you honestly think that this one person's "right" trumps all of that, as well as the rights of everyone else in your store? Or are you a hypocrite?

Let me ask you this, If I breath something in and hold it, and don't exhale a gosh darn thing, am I still vaping?

 

[Lessifer]

I blame Toottlepuffers. Walking around Chuffin their little tootie puffers errywhere.

Sir, we know that's not a sharpie, please stop.

Sir, please exit the bathroom, you're making the other customers nervous.

 

[Lessifer]

Ahhh okay haha. I read until about page 17 or so then lost steam -- I have to say there are good points on both sides (as is typically the case with any heated/ongoing issue). This next part is not aimed at you DC2, but to the general audience.

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I stand by the assertion that, if someone's argument creates a double-standard when the tables are turned, then there is a flaw somewhere in the logic. As such, anyone who feels they should be able to vape anytime/any place -- here is a thought exercise for you. Imagine a guest comes into your home, then proceeds to bend over, spread their buttcheeks, and blow huge fart clouds into the air? They are farting in your living room, in your dining room, in your kitchen, farting near your spouse, near your children, everywhere -- and they are doing it on purpose no less! Then when you try to put an end to it, they then get in your face about "their right" to fart where ever and whenever they want because it's not illegal and not hurting anyone.

Would that fly with you? Now imagine it's not your home this is happening in, but your business. And it's not farting per say, but something many of your guests find equally offensive? Do you think you should have the right to prohibit the offensive activity? It's your business after all, you pay for the space, you pay for the utilities, you pay the employees, and you rely on the money of your customers to support your family. Are you telling me you honestly think that this one person's "right" trumps all of that, as well as the rights of everyone else in your store? Or are you a hypocrite?

Why is it always the extreme view?

I am a firm believer that "don't vape where you can't smoke" is a load of bull. Does that mean I think you should vape everywhere? No. If a business decides they do not want to allow vaping, that is their right, respect it. If a private residence owner asks you not to vape in their house, don't. If you're out where vaping is allowed and someone politely asks you to stop because it's disturbing them, be a civil person and stop. Being against vaping bans doesn't mean you have to act like an ....

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I blame Toottlepuffers. Walking around Chuffin their little tootie puffers errywhere.

Upvoted for starting WW III w "Tootie Puffers."

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

View attachment 547558 Walked into my loca Walmart (in Virginia) this morning and saw this sign. It is new within the last couple weeks. Anyone else noticed this? A friend and I were just talking about this last week and that it was actually one place you could vape in.

To smoke a e-cig you would have to turn it up so high it actually burns the liquid or possibly chop it up roll it and light it up...

Those sign's that say " No Smoking, Including Vaping" really bother me because they are incorrect....

They should say No Smoking OR Vaping...

If there's nothing burning it's not smoke..

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Let me ask you this, If I breath something in and hold it, and don't exhale a gosh darn thing, am I still vaping?

It's what I do whenever I'm at work, parents house, bar, and I get away with it too... If you go out of your way to please people, they may just let you do what you want.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I've sort of caught wind of the joke here and there (that's why I mentioned the cereal isle, actually) , but am unclear on the "why". I sort of assumed it was because those who insist in blowing clouds in public also tend to be the same people who enjoy sugary cereals/candy, i.e. the less-than-mature vapers.

Am I close lol?

Just how old are you gramps/grandma?

I'm 55 years young and I eat all kinds of cereal and chuck clouds nearly all day long when the central nervous system calls for more nicotine.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

Am I close lol?

Not really, I've never vaped a tobacco flavor, all those flavors the media says are directed at kids really are all I vape most of the time, I may not be that old 35 but I'm definitely not a kid/immature

 

[crxess]

Not really, I've never vaped a tobacco flavor, all those flavors the media says are directed at kids really are all I vape most of the time, I may not be that old 35 but I'm definitely not a kid/immature

Wait, What? Age and Maturity go together?.............I give up

 

[Kyi]

I don't really shop at Wal-mart, but I can respect their decision to not want people vaping inside. I mean.. I get it.. it's WALMART... but still. I'm personally wary about vaping inside stores (unless I'm in the bathroom or dressing room where no one can see me), mostly because I don't like to attract negative attention.

Maybe I'm just being weird, but even in my car, if i'm stopped at a light and there are cars next to me, I usually don't hit my vape because it's like 95% of the time they will look at me kinda like "what is that?" I don't like the idea of cars around me thinking that I may be getting high since they can't see what I am doing. It's just a lot of people aren't familiar with vaping and I just rather not draw attention to myself in the way of "wow there's a huge cloud coming out of that car, I wonder if its drugs". Now, if I'm walking around or at a bar (in which smoking is allowed), I am comfortable with it.

I guess my point is, I think people get a little put off when you're in a place where everyone normally knows it's not ok to smoke and suddenly they see a big cloud coming from you, and they may be like "Wow this guy just took a huge rip in the middle of this store?? The nerve!" Sorry, I am not sure the extent we are allowed to use these references, I can call it "you know what" but that just sounds cheesy. I'm just not at the level where I am comfortable vaping around strangers in that kind of environment, I don't want to get dirty looks. I can wait 20 minutes to leave the store and vape outside or at home. Now, if it was allowed everywhere and everyone was really cool about it and there were a lot more people doing it, I would be fine.

 

[Munk]

Let me ask you this, If I breath something in and hold it, and don't exhale a gosh darn thing, am I still vaping?

Technically yes. Admittedly it would be much less offensive (similar to covering your mouth and having a silent burp vs intentionally burping as loud and obnoxiously as possible) but vaping is still vaping. The vapor is still being put into the air, its just not visible. Now, if someone were vaping straight water, then you might be able to make a better argument, but the truth is that excess nicotine, flavorings, scents, and other byproducts will still be present in the vapor. Our lungs aren't 100% efficient.

 

[Munk]

Just how old are you gramps/grandma?

I'm 55 years young and I eat all kinds of cereal and chuck clouds nearly all day long when the central nervous system calls for more nicotine.

30 lol

 

[Munk]

Why is it always the extreme view?

I am a firm believer that "don't vape where you can't smoke" is a load of bull. Does that mean I think you should vape everywhere? No. If a business decides they do not want to allow vaping, that is their right, respect it. If a private residence owner asks you not to vape in their house, don't. If you're out where vaping is allowed and someone politely asks you to stop because it's disturbing them, be a civil person and stop. Being against vaping bans doesn't mean you have to act like an ....

Exactly my point as well. I see a very clear lack of civility in those who proudly proclaim they'll vape anytime or place, other people's feelings be damned. It doesn't have to be illegal to be rude.

 

[DC2]

Now, if someone were vaping straight water, then you might be able to make a better argument, but the truth is that excess nicotine, flavorings, and other byproducts will still be present in the vapor. Or lungs aren't 100% efficient.

Have you given any thought to the idea that what we exhale is actually LESS harmful to bystanders than normal breath? Because I assure you I can make a very convincing argument that it is not only less harmful, but quite possibly GOOD for them.

 

[Munk]

Have you given any thought to the idea that what we exhale is actually LESS harmful to bystanders than normal breath? Because I assure you I can make a very convincing argument that it is not only less harmful, but quite possibly GOOD for them.

Whether its good for you or not is beside the point. Your choice to vape is a personal one, and doesn't mean you get to decide for those around you on their behalf. If you can find a way to vape without exposing anyone else but yourself, then go for it. But so long as it might involve other people, some considerations seem reasonable.

 

[skoony]

Technically yes. Admittedly it would be much less offensive (similar to covering your mouth and having a silent burp vs intentionally burping as loud and obnoxiously as possible) but vaping is still vaping. The vapor is still being put into the air, its just not visible. Now, if someone were vaping straight water, then you might be able to make a better argument, but the truth is that excess nicotine, flavorings, scents, and other byproducts will still be present in the vapor. Our lungs aren't 100% efficient.

While technically vaping if you are exhaling and nothing is visible it would be no different
than a smokers bad breath. Should we ban smokers from breathing in public? How about
individuals that are taking drugs for mental illness? Birth control? Stuff we can't talk about?

Regards
Mike

 

[DC2]

But so long as it might involve other people, some considerations seem reasonable.

I couldn't agree more with that line of thinking.
But I do disagree with the implied premise of your previously stated reason.

 

[zoiDman]

I read that the version of the VUSE that RJ Reynolds is doing a PMTA with the FDA has an RFID Chip in it so retailers can Disable it within 50' of their Store.

Kinda like how the wheel on a Shopping Cart only in Reverse.

But then again, I read this on Reddit. So it might Not be True.