I get offended by people who constantly get offended. I wonder what the legislation for anti offending by being offended would look like
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I get offended by people who constantly get offended. I wonder what the legislation for anti offending by being offended would look like
I'm not sure what the full structure would be, but you can bet there would be an exemption for government approved offensiveness, followed by a tax.I get offended by people who constantly get offended. I wonder what the legislation for anti offending by being offended would look like
I'm actually from Florida. My father had a heart attack and I moved up here to take care of him as he had a quad bypass, mechanical heart, and eventually a heart transplant. My mother is dead from lung cancer, and my father's family is across the Atlantic in Cyprus, so he has nobody here but me. Now that he's better we are waiting on the apartment to sell and we are moving to colorado. I don't enjoy ny at all, and if I had a choice I wouldn't be here, believe me.
But like I said previously, before I started vaping, I saw people doing it everywhere. The supermarket, walmart, auto parts store, etc. Then they passed the law to combine vaping with tobacco rules, and I still see it. It bothered me then, it bothers me now. I imagine it bothers other people too. There are 15 or more vape shops within a 3 mile radius, so it's really picking up here. But with that comes irresponsible and rude behavior. You see kids teenagers vaping on ipvs and sigeleis at the mall entrances, and inside the bowling alley and pool halls, you've got grown adults doing it in stores.. And it's making us all look terrible. If you think that this is a great portrayal for us, and that our image doesn't suffer everytime somebody rudely vapes inside... Then I don't know. Maybe you're just compensating for your own lack of self control. But seriously, you can't wait until you're in your car? You MUST vape in a store? It's hard for me to wrap my brain around it. I never smoked indoors after it was illegal, and I've never wanted to honestly. Even when my father was in surgery for 19 hours during the transplant I may have gone out and smoked 2 cigarettes because I didn't want to leave the floor he was on. And I certainly can't imagine vaping in the hospital while I waited.
A hospital is easily the best place to vape indoors that you'll ever find.
You don't even have to consider stealth vaping to not be seen by anyone.
You do understand that you are not everyone else, right? You know those new members who post things like, "my mod never leaves my hand?" Some of them might be exaggerating, some are not. Some people smoked 3 packs a day, some smoked 1/2 a pack. Some people literally can't stop vaping without wanting to smoke, and perhaps not smoking means more to them than not bothering others.
Whatever the motives, the fact of the matter is that environmental vapor is not harmful, and there is no real justification for it to be banned from indoors.
This is how we do it. One non informed person at a time.A co-worker:
Name is Ed. He is a Tea Party member, Male chauvinist and 100% ANTZ.
He and I have had many conversations, often while I vape. Much time was dedicated to breaking down myths and assumptions on his part.
He Sees Vaping in a different light now and he is very active person in Politics.
Well, to be fair - maybe he is now 99.8% ANTZ.
Pretty much is a thread ender here. If it is not allowed it's rule breaking which of course most knew all along so let the dead horse beating continue.I worm at Walmart. I read the policy recently, electronic cigarettes are considered tobacco products by Walmart, with the same rules. The greeter decided to tell you that because he was doing his job. Store managers aren't always in the know, and customer soothing is on the top of their priority list
No, it's extreme run on sentence ish.How does one do that?
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So then it's a self control issue? You don't *think* second hand vapor is harmful. You don't know. You can't show me a single study on long term side effects. It's a risk we are taking because we assume that it's healthier, and not harmful. But to the uninformed public especially, it can be a cause of concern. And I don't think that we should take that freedom away from them, to choose whether or not it's safe, because some of us refuse to show even a marginal amount of self control.
It was our decision to smoke. It was our decision to become addicted. It's not a disease that we picked up. We picked up smoking cigarettes knowing they were harmful. Well, unless you're so old that 3 out of 4 doctors recommended Kool. So with that in mind, be considerate of others. Everybody for in store vaping throws out other inconsiderate actions of others, but is that really the answer? I want to, and other people do other things? That's not a defense, thats an excuse. And a poor one at that.
I'm not sure you really comprehend Addiction.
You smoked, but I'm not sure you were even addicted. Many people do smoke as a social thing, some even excessively, and never develop any addiction. Some are predisposed and from Smoke one are heading toward a never ending battle. No different than the way alcohol effects some and not others.
The never had an issue quitting never did or will understand the never could quit crowd, but there is a scientifically documented difference and it requires a completely different approach.
Judgmental, is the first sign of not understanding.
Your 35? figure 20ish yrs smoking, first 5 or longer casual.
Compare your body exposure and damage to that of someone with 2x or 3x the exposure over as much more time.
You really have still not paid any attention to what people have posted.
I go very few places. The Walmart Thread is as close to Walmart as I actually get more than 3-4 times in a Year.
I take my wife out for Mid afternoon dining. We enjoy it peacefully without a need to Vape. Rarely more than a few other Diners in the whole restaurant, Quiet and Great Personal service. No pressure and we feel respected. We threat the servers and other patrons with the same respect.
The Few trips to Wally World on the other hand are filled with disrespectful
with screaming kids pushing shoving and each other at will.I've seen much worse in Walmart and much of that Illegal, not just a store rule violation. Yet I come here to be belittled
I have seen people vape in WalMart and I have tootle puffed there occasionally myself. Yet there is a few things we should look at here. First off, when anyone walks into a vape shop it has the smell of vaping. I dont find it unpleasant but that doesnt mean others wont. It also has a haze of clouds in the air. Now look at that same scenario in Walmart where it has the haze and the smell of vaping. Not cool in my opinion. Secondly the vaping community is under attack from all angles. Big brother government wants to regulate us and tax us. States want us gone because we hurt their tobacco settlement incomes. Big tobacco wants to be the only ones able to sell to us and big pharma is losing mega bucks from us. If we are irresponsible vapors regardless that second hand vape is harmless, we will also have the ignorant public against us.
Am I saying dont vape in public? Hell no. I am saying use some common sense in your vaping. If your in a crowded place it is not the time to drip. If a store or business that says no vaping, then respect that. Will anything we say or discuss here on ECF make a bit of difference? Probably not.
Am I saying dont vape in public? Hell no. I am saying use some common sense in your vaping. If your in a crowded place it is not the time to drip. If a store or business that says no vaping, then respect that. Will anything we say or discuss here on ECF make a bit of difference? Probably not.
No, it's not a self control issue. It's an issue of restricting behavior without valid reasons.
From: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ort_commissioned_by_Public_Health_England.pdf
"Passive vaping: Nicotine from e-cigarette use in ambient air
Four studies examined nicotine exposure from passive vaping. Long et al., 2014 measured nicotine content of EC exhalations. EC exhalations contained eight times less E-cigarettes: an evidence update 65 nicotine than cigarette exhalations [78]. Estimating environmental nicotine exposure, however, has to take into account the fact that side-stream smoke (ie the smoke from the lighted end of the cigarette, which is produced regardless of whether the smoker is puffing or not) accounts for some 85% of passive smoking and there is no side-stream EC vapour. A study measuring nicotine residue on surfaces in houses of smokers and vapers reported only negligible levels from vaping, 169 times lower than from smoking [79].
Colard et al., 2015 describe a model for estimating environmental workplace exposure [80]. The model predicts much lower nicotine exposure from vaping than from smoking, at levels negligible in health terms.
Goniewicz and Lee 2014 found that nicotine from EC vapour gets deposited on surfaces, but at very low levels [81]. This poses no concerns regarding exposure to bystanders. At the highest concentration recorded (550 μg/m2 ), an infant would need to lick over 30 square metres of exposed surface to obtain 1mg of nicotine.
Ballbe et al., 2014 provide the most informative data collected to date as this study measured the actual levels of airborne nicotine in homes of ex-smokers who live either with smokers (N=25) or with vapers (N=5) and also in 24 control homes [82]. The study also measured salivary and urinary cotinine in partners of smokers and vapers. As expected, there was little nicotine in non-smokers’ homes. The air in the homes of vapers contained six times less nicotine than the air in the homes of smokers. There was less of a difference between cotinine levels of partners of vapers and smokers (1.4 to 2 fold difference), most likely due to some ‘ex-smokers’ still occasionally smoking, but even with this possible contamination, the nicotine levels absorbed via passive vaping were negligible. Partners of vapers had mean cotinine concentrations of 0.19 ng/ml in saliva and 1.75 ng/ml in urine, which is about 1,000 times less than the concentrations seen in smokers and similar to levels generated by eating a tomato [83].
Summary
EC release negligible levels of nicotine into ambient air with no identified health risks to bystanders."
Now, those aren't long term studies, and they focus on nicotine, but if environmental vapor leads to negligible nicotine exposure, it stands to reason that exposure to anything else in the vapor would also be negligible, except maybe the PG/VG.
Of course there's preliminary work, showcased in the most recent FDA workshop on biomarkers, in which a company created a pg isotope so that they could specifically measure how much pg bystanders were exposed to directly from being in the same room as people vaping. Their results showed that the non-vapers had levels of exposure 5,000 times less than the vapers themselves.
We don't know the long term affects of pg or vg or the flavoring. I'm not even directly concerned with nicotine, it's the other crap. They say it's healthier so far and I believe them obviously but that's an opinion. I've read all the studies, and made an informed decision. But for somebody to be in a store and not have that opportunity to make that decision because somebody else forced that decision on them, thats wrong. Just like second hand smoke is wrong. People shouldn't have to breathe this crap in just because we think it's OK for them to, while they are minding their own business doing their weekly shopping.
6 people, in a 10'x10' room. 3 vapers, 3 non-vapers. After two hours of regular vaping, the non-vapers showed 5,000 times less of the pg isotope than the vapers. 5,000 times less.
5000 you say.. So that's it? 2nd hand vaping shouldn't be studied anymore, because of a pg isotope test.
We can assume it's safe. And we can push that assumption on others while they're uncomfortable all we want...but you're saying we should, so that's it. I'm still not going to do it, and I'm hoping others won't either.
5,000 times less, after spending two hours in a small room together with 3 vapers vaping. Yes, I am fairly confident enough to say that passing through an errant cloud of vapor, even a big giant sub ohm dripper one, is harmless.
Except, I'm not approaching this with nothing but ignorance.
I see the whole country.
You're stuck in your little box.
I vape everywhere when I need to.
With courtesy.
Your accusations and the evidence put forth against them should be embarrassing. But you're not embarrassed somehow.
Your sense of common courtesy you suggest you have would show in your lack of accusations if it were sincere.
Closed minded and judgemental... if you knew me, you'd know better.
I may be blunt, but in person, I'm nothing if not courteous.
Now please direct the arrogance elsewhere.
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Judgmental, is the first sign of not understanding.
You really have still not paid any attention to what people have posted.
I've seen much worse in Walmart and much of that Illegal, not just a store rule violation. Yet I come here to be belittled
Let's see if they comprehend through repetition...
Judgmental, is the first sign of not understanding.
You really have still not paid any attention to what people have posted.
I've seen much worse in Walmart and much of that Illegal, not just a store rule violation. Yet I come here to be belittled
I doubt it...
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