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4 juices tested and a cigarette, right?
Showed all the juices had 2 of 2-Butanone (MEK) compared with a regular cigarette's 19.
Showed Acetic Acid 16-19-7 was in all juices, at 11, 13, and 14, compared to the cigarette's 68.
Showed Acetone was in all juices, at 17, 18, and 25, compared to the cigarette's 64.
Isoprene was in the juice at 8, 6, 7, and 10, and in a ciggy at 135.
Formaldahydeb was in juices at 8, 11, and 16 and in the cigarette at 86.
Acetaldehydeb 75-07-0 <1 2 2 3 119
Then I lost the tab. There was 1 more chemical. At any rate, it all looks pretty miniscule compared to a cigarette.
Aren't most of these chemicals pretty normal? Butanone is used as a pain stripper. It's oxidized alcohol.
Acetic Acid is found in thousands of foods and its naturally in fruits and veggies. Its the waste of a bacteria, like yeast/alcohol.
Acetone is normally present in human blood and urine and it is disposed of through the normal metabolic process.
Formaldahyde is used to create literally thousands of things we're in contact with daily. Its also produced by the human body. Its in all our wood too.
Acetyldehyde is just a acetyl precurser and its also the most pronounced chemical in alcohol that gives you a hangover.
At the levels all this stuff was found in the e-cigarette, it doesn't look like a risk to human health. And in every case, 1 cigarette delivered 4-5x or more of the same chemical... This is trace amounts of chemicals. And our body produces a lot of them naturally all by itself in higher amounts than this. That isn't to say that adding to the amount our bodies produce is a good thing, but its certainly not going to kill me. A newly built condominium or a new pressure treated deck would yield several hundred more microns than the trace amounts of acetone and formaldahyde microns found in this study.
Showed all the juices had 2 of 2-Butanone (MEK) compared with a regular cigarette's 19.
Showed Acetic Acid 16-19-7 was in all juices, at 11, 13, and 14, compared to the cigarette's 68.
Showed Acetone was in all juices, at 17, 18, and 25, compared to the cigarette's 64.
Isoprene was in the juice at 8, 6, 7, and 10, and in a ciggy at 135.
Formaldahydeb was in juices at 8, 11, and 16 and in the cigarette at 86.
Acetaldehydeb 75-07-0 <1 2 2 3 119
Then I lost the tab. There was 1 more chemical. At any rate, it all looks pretty miniscule compared to a cigarette.
Aren't most of these chemicals pretty normal? Butanone is used as a pain stripper. It's oxidized alcohol.
Acetic Acid is found in thousands of foods and its naturally in fruits and veggies. Its the waste of a bacteria, like yeast/alcohol.
Acetone is normally present in human blood and urine and it is disposed of through the normal metabolic process.
Formaldahyde is used to create literally thousands of things we're in contact with daily. Its also produced by the human body. Its in all our wood too.
Acetyldehyde is just a acetyl precurser and its also the most pronounced chemical in alcohol that gives you a hangover.
At the levels all this stuff was found in the e-cigarette, it doesn't look like a risk to human health. And in every case, 1 cigarette delivered 4-5x or more of the same chemical... This is trace amounts of chemicals. And our body produces a lot of them naturally all by itself in higher amounts than this. That isn't to say that adding to the amount our bodies produce is a good thing, but its certainly not going to kill me. A newly built condominium or a new pressure treated deck would yield several hundred more microns than the trace amounts of acetone and formaldahyde microns found in this study.
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My post says I'm not concerned with what this study says, the wording of the articles is pure publicity stunt. Drinking a pint of Vodka will probably give you cancer according to these reporters. Your schoolbook bindings in middleschool highschool and college, the walls and floors of your school and work and home, your outside deck, the boyscout and girlscout campfires your children attend, the Dubra and cheap beer you drank in your teens and 20s, the paint on your ceiling, the plastic you microwave dinner in, these all have more of these same exact chemicals leeching into the air and your body than you'll ever inhale from an e-cig in 100 years.
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The French study has been found to be full of holes, the magazine? had to print two retractions on it already. It's in lieu of a government official screaming about not getting the tax dollars from ecigs and how they government was going to go broke.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tudy-help-french-vapers-demand-apologies.html
Do a little digging, the information is all out there, you just need to look a little harder to find it all.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tudy-help-french-vapers-demand-apologies.html
Do a little digging, the information is all out there, you just need to look a little harder to find it all.
Here's the other thread, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hreaten-tax-revenue-finally-someone-said.html
The Italian's are freaking out about loosing tax revenue, so the French have to come up with a fear mongering technique so they don't seem like bad guys for saying the same thing. So they falsify a bogus test to make it sound like ecigs are bad instead.
Nothing new, and there's going to be a lot more of it in the near future.
The Italian's are freaking out about loosing tax revenue, so the French have to come up with a fear mongering technique so they don't seem like bad guys for saying the same thing. So they falsify a bogus test to make it sound like ecigs are bad instead.
Nothing new, and there's going to be a lot more of it in the near future.
why are ANY of these in ejuice? I think Most ECF members know that we have as many juice choices as a large supermarket has cereal boxes! Customers can go ALL PG or ALL VG, or ALL organic VG (clearly NOT the sample tested). This accounts for the sales in VV and VW PVs! Tobacco flavored juice typically wont be vaped at same sweet spots as Strawberry!
There is still much research needed and much to learn.
The wildcard in all this are the flavorings. They were designed to be added to food. Heated by baking. Not exposed to the heat of atomizing. I wonder what chemicals those are putting out when vaped.
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The wildcard in all this are the flavorings. They were designed to be added to food. Heated by baking. Not exposed to the heat of atomizing. I wonder what chemicals those are putting out when vaped.
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Need more do'ers and less talkers like Like the smack you just laid down. I loved it man...
I am extremely more concerned about the meat I buy at the supermarket - do
you have any clue what's in them? I was raised on a 3,000 acre cattle farm in northwestern
Indiana. Now cattle and chicken and other meat are loaded up with antibiotics
and growth hormones.
Our water supply is loaded with fluoride and other chemicals.
Our vegetables and fruits are loaded with pesiticides.
Do some research on Monsanto and you'll want to raise your own food.
you have any clue what's in them? I was raised on a 3,000 acre cattle farm in northwestern
Indiana. Now cattle and chicken and other meat are loaded up with antibiotics
and growth hormones.
Our water supply is loaded with fluoride and other chemicals.
Our vegetables and fruits are loaded with pesiticides.
Do some research on Monsanto and you'll want to raise your own food.
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something to keep in mind is the e-cig industry has enemies with very deep pockets
I'm sure most can guess that most of the chemicals listed in this study are either a byproduct of the manufacturing process of the flavor concentrates, a chemical reaction from heating the juice in the atomizers, or--- these molecules could be from the atomizer manufacturing process, and not the juice at all. They aren't literally putting any of these chemicals into the juice intentionally. Many/all of these molecules are just naturally occurring substances that any molecular scientist would expect to be in a mixture containing food flavorings, glycerine and glycol. Glycerine and Glycol are complex alcohols. Other alcohols and molecular byproducts are produced naturally during the synthesis of these two popular alcohols. While some of these molecules/chemicals listed can be dangerous in large quantities, they are pretty darn safe in miniscule quantities. In fact, like I said, we make them in our bodies naturally.
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I vape at 7-8 watts on a Vamo. I atomize my vape at a relatively low temp and don't change molecular structure.
Someone wanting biased results can test at a much different wattage than most people vape at and "cook" the juice causing chemical reactions and changing the vapor's content to something nobody'd even consider vaping.
I didn't read (this time) the articles linked but I'm not targeting them specifically.
I'm just saying that I'm skeptical of reports as a rule.
I read enough (of the little that's available) of the studies (inc Drexel's) to trust I've done my homework.
I believe that vaping is thousands of times safer than smoking but would drop vaping like a scorpion if it's proved otherwise.
I'll continue to read and weigh results (not reports) and judge for myself.
Dubious methods should be exposed and seeking shall find.
Bogus politically skewed reports can scare off uninformed seekers and effectively kill them.
We're trying to save our health and lives. Others just want to get rich at any expense.
Be carefull out there
Someone wanting biased results can test at a much different wattage than most people vape at and "cook" the juice causing chemical reactions and changing the vapor's content to something nobody'd even consider vaping.
I didn't read (this time) the articles linked but I'm not targeting them specifically.
I'm just saying that I'm skeptical of reports as a rule.
I read enough (of the little that's available) of the studies (inc Drexel's) to trust I've done my homework.
I believe that vaping is thousands of times safer than smoking but would drop vaping like a scorpion if it's proved otherwise.
I'll continue to read and weigh results (not reports) and judge for myself.
Dubious methods should be exposed and seeking shall find.
Bogus politically skewed reports can scare off uninformed seekers and effectively kill them.
We're trying to save our health and lives. Others just want to get rich at any expense.
Be carefull out there
I vape at 7-8 watts on a Vamo. I atomize my vape at a relatively low temp and don't change molecular structure.
Someone wanting biased results can test at a much different wattage than most people vape at and "cook" the juice causing chemical reactions and changing the vapor's content to something nobody'd even consider vaping.
I didn't read (this time) the articles linked but I'm not targeting them specifically.
I'm just saying that I'm skeptical of reports as a rule.
I read enough (of the little that's available) of the studies (inc Drexel's) to trust I've done my homework.
I believe that vaping is thousands of times safer than smoking but would drop vaping like a scorpion if it's proved otherwise.
I'll continue to read and weigh results (not reports) and judge for myself.
Dubious methods should be exposed and seeking shall find.
Bogus politically skewed reports can scare off uninformed seekers and effectively kill them.
We're trying to save our health and lives. Others just want to get rich at any expense.
Be carefull out there
That is a great point friend
I remember reading studies on ......... that really vilified the plant the put it one way, and then when the studies method was released, i was shocked to see the extreme measure that the experiment used and it would obviously be toxic at those dosies. i beleive in medical ........., you see, and that study that said it was unsafe was actually a "lie" because they did it in a way that killed the monkeys from oxygen deprivation and not the ......... itself (which is non toxic).now i was talking about the university report and more so the pubmed study which i trust MUCH more than an article, but again, who knows what method and what juice was used.
very good reply, thanks again
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