New study suggests bad things

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Anjaffm

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Dubious methods should be exposed and seeking shall find.
Bogus politically skewed reports can scare off uninformed seekers and effectively kill them.
We're trying to save our health and lives. Others just want to get rich at any expense.

Be carefull out there :)

Precisely.

In Europe, most vapers only sneer at the continous scaremongering and outright lies published all over the place. We are used to them.

If in doubt, come to a forum and find out the truth. With links, studies, the works. :)
 

mcol

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I really think, as the older generations are dying off, that the other generations are slowly
getting away from believing everything they hear and read in the media. Ratings with TV
news are showing that their 'groupies' as you will are slowly declining, thanks in part to the
internet. With my own mother, who is 80 - she used to believe everything she reads and hears.
Even she has backed off on that, not to the extent I'd like but to some extent, which I
thought would never happen. There is a greed out there - and money is at stake with these
so called studies. Don't believe everything you read, hear and watch.
 

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Study says e-cigarettes may contain carcinogens similar to regular cigarettes

This is the one that worried me a little more, if its accurate of course. But like i said, i was just offering some information and not giving a definitive analysis. I was hoping to get some opinions on that (and not the credibility of the "research," after all, that is the point isnt? to read something and form an opinion/conclusion??)

Thanks again :)

If I may jump in here? The credibility of the research is extremely important - more so than someone's opinion on whether or not to believe it. Especially when a "study" is not really even a study. It was clearly propaganda to support the French government's wish to ban or severely restrict the sales of e-cigarettes.

Please read CASAA's report on that so-called study: CASAA: French e-cigarette study, media misrepresent facts

why are ANY of these in ejuice?

Because e-cigarette liquid with nicotine uses nicotine extracted from tobacco and therefore, tiny, trace amounts of chemicals found in tobacco will be found in e-cigarettes (and anything else that contains nicotine extracted from tobacco - including FDA-approved nicotine patches, gums, nasal sprays and lozenges.) Because the FDA approves those smoking cessation products containing the same trace chemicals and metals, the agency obviously does not consider those levels to be toxic or carcinogenic (unless they are in the e-cigarettes the agency wants to regulate, of course.) As for the formaldehyde, it has been shown that the amounts found "in e-cigarette vapor" are equal to or below the levels of formaldehyde found naturally in human breath. Those studies failed to show that the formaldehyde came from the vapor rather than the breath of the researchers in the room (they used room air to flush the smoking machines used for testing.)

If you read the numbers from the French test, they used the highest possible amounts found in e-cigarettes and compared them to the lowest possible amounts found in cigarette smoke. No one even knows if those lower amounts found in cigarette smoke are even harmful to humans at those low levels. It's like claiming apple juice is just as poisonous as rat poison, because apple juice can contain 1 to 10 ppm of arsenic and rat poison contains 9 to 1,000 ppm of arsenic. Except they don't tell you the FDA says apple juice with less than 10 ppm of naturally-occurring arsenic is non-toxic and safe to drink and rat poison usually contains a deadly 1,000 ppm not a safe 9 ppm! (This is EXACTLY what the French organization did when comparing e-cigarette vapor to cigarette smoke.)

Hope that helps clear things up a bit. :)
 

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@kristin:

If you read the numbers from the French test, they used the highest possible amounts found in e-cigarettes and compared them to the lowest possible amounts found in cigarette smoke. No one even knows if those lower amounts found in cigarette smoke are even harmful to humans at those low levels.

It's like claiming apple juice is just as poisonous as rat poison, because apple juice can contain 1 to 10 ppm of arsenic and rat poison contains 9 to 1,000 ppm of arsenic. Except they don't tell you the FDA says apple juice with less than 10 ppm of naturally-occurring arsenic is non-toxic and safe to drink and rat poison usually contains a deadly 1,000 ppm not a safe 9 ppm! (This is EXACTLY what the French organization did when comparing e-cigarette vapor to cigarette smoke.)

This ROCKS!!!!
Do I have permission to quote you in the German vapers forum?
I know they'll get a kick out of that :)
 
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@Anjaffm Please feel free to quote anything I write, if it helps educate people or gives them ammunition to fight the ANTZ lies! ;)

Thank you! Sure will do. They will get a kick out of that, in the German forum :)
We do know that the ANTZ are lying out their... backsides... but I just love your apple juice comparison (it is SO great!), and so will my fellow vapers in Germany.
 

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like I said friends :) I just got back into vaping and I am all for it, much more than cigarettes, I haven't had cigarette in close to a week now. I wont be going back either.

as far as what I presented, I wasn't looking for it to be a reason for us to quit, this is just what I found and another member asked me to provide links, which I did. the articles were not my main source, pubmed was, which is a legitimate site for info. now if the study was discredited from pubmed for not giving proper method and results, good! I wasn't here defending it so we all stop with ecigs and go back to analogs

for those who provided counter info, thanks, because that is what I was hoping to see. I am an English professor and I know all about the importance of credible sources and research. this wasn't one of my research papers so I as hoping to see more info, so I understand the importance of it like I said. my aim here was not to back the articles and research, because as I am using ecigs to quit analog cigs, I didn't want to go back to it. I wanted to hear opinions, and I was hoping for counter arguments.

so thanks for providing the better info :)
 
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