New to Mechanical Mods - Questions about ohms and wire

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So what you're saying is its dangerous [emoji6]


I have an 18650 battery. The guy at the vape shop set me up with my build and did tell me to research before I tried doing anything differently, and briefly explained ohms to me. I have had this build for 3 weeks now and was wanting to try different things, just wanted wanted to find out more about it.

Yes vaping at such low ohms can be EXTREMELY dangerous. If your battery can't handle the amperage output that is required for the 0.27 ohm coil you have, the battery will vent and if its a lithium ion battery and not a high drain safe chemistry it will vent violently and basically your new mod will become a perfect pipe bomb.


Edit: The efest battery is actually not 35 amp continuous discharge. It is only 35 amp pulse... it is 20 amps continuous.
 

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Yes vaping at such low ohms can be EXTREMELY dangerous. If your battery can't handle the amperage output that is required for the 0.27 ohm coil you have, the battery will vent and if its a lithium ion battery and not a high drain safe chemistry it will vent violently and basically your new mod will become a perfect pipe bomb.


Edit: The efest battery is actually not 35 amp continuous discharge. It is only 35 amp pulse... it is 20 amps continuous.

Ok. That is pretty deceiving. It does say Discharge current is 35A. And it does say it is a high drain battery, if it makes a difference.
 

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Ok. That is pretty deceiving. It does say Discharge current is 35A. And it does say it is a high drain battery, if it makes a difference.

You're safe with that battery. Efest is notorious for overstating the mah and amps of its batteries. That particular battery is actually just a rebranded LG HE2 battery. The other 30 amp 2100 mah is just a rebranded Sony VTC5. Like I said do a bit more research about battery safety. Look at Baditude's battery safety blog. Learn more about ohms law and how to find out the amps needed for your build etc. It took me 2 weeks before I purchased my first mech from doing research and I still learn things to this day!

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected-icr.html
 
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You're safe with that battery. Efest is notorious for overstating the mah and amps of its batteries. That particular battery is actually just a rebranded LG HE2 battery. The other 30 amp 2100 mah is just a rebranded Sony VTC5. Like I said do a bit more research about battery safety. Look at Baditude's battery safety blog. Learn more about ohms law and how to find out the amps needed for your build etc. It took me 2 weeks before I purchased my first mech from doing research and I still learn things to this day!

Yeah, I have learned a lot in the three weeks I have had my mech. mod. Even more so in the last few hours I have been on this forum. I know that I will be rebuilding my coils tonight to go for much higher ohms until I understand everything much better.
 

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Yeah, I have learned a lot in the three weeks I have had my mech. mod. Even more so in the last few hours I have been on this forum. I know that I will be rebuilding my coils tonight to go for much higher ohms until I understand everything much better.

What gauge kanthal do you have right now? If you bought the 24 gauge kanthal I'd try about 8-9 wraps with a dual coil should bring you at least to .5 ohms... That is a very safe spot for your battery. Also in case your vendor didn't tell you... To get better flavor/vapor make sure the coils align directly with the airholes in your atomizer.
 

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What gauge kanthal do you have right now? If you bought the 24 gauge kanthal I'd try about 8-9 wraps with a dual coil should bring you at least to .5 ohms... That is a very safe spot for your battery. Also in case your vendor didn't tell you... To get better flavor/vapor make sure the coils align directly with the airholes in your atomizer.

Yep, 24 gauge. And they did mention about having the coils line up with the air holes. So I will try a few more wraps. I should have enough kanthal left to do that.
 

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Yep, 24 gauge. And they did mention about having the coils line up with the air holes. So I will try a few more wraps. I should have enough kanthal left to do that.

Buy more Kanthal on ebay from Lightning Vapes or Temco. They sell 100 feet for fairly cheap, but the lower the gauge the more expensive it is. My next kanthal purchase will be 24 gauge lol
 

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Standby while we break for an important news announcement:

:danger: Not advisable for a novice to be sub-ohming and not know what they are doing. :unsure:



Information Resources for Your First RBA

How is sub-ohm vaping dangerous?

Cloud Chasing is Dangerous

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Thanks again for the links. I have been going through them to get a better understanding of what it is I am doing. I doubt I will be doing much sub ohm vaping in the near future.

Buy more Kanthal on ebay from Lightning Vapes or Temco. They sell 100 feet for fairly cheap, but the lower the gauge the more expensive it is. My next kanthal purchase will be 24 gauge lol

Awesome. Thanks for the help!
 

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Thanks again for the links. I have been going through them to get a better understanding of what it is I am doing. I doubt I will be doing much sub ohm vaping in the near future.



Awesome. Thanks for the help!

We're here to help. Just recommend next time before you make a dip into such devices like that do a bit more research :p I mean you wouldn't go out and buy a new 5 speed mustang without knowing how to drive a stick would ya? :p
 

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As the title says, I am new to mechanical mods, and new to vaping. I currently have a Chi-U, Stillaire tank, and a dynasty drip tip. I am using 24 gauge kanthal wire, 2 coils with 4 twists per coil. Ohms are at .27. The way I understand it, ohms decrease when less wire is used. Fewer ohms means more vapor. I would like to get to around .2 ohms, .17 being the lowest I would feel comfortable with. My question is, would more wraps per coil not create more surface area for the wick, thus creating more vapor? Or if less wire is the way I need to go for more vapor, does anyone have any suggestions on number of coils I should go for, or gauge of wire?

With 24 gauge, I would do two nano coils (wrap them around a syringe) and wrap them about 8 or 9 times. That should put you in the .3 ohm range, and nano coils light up like nobodys business. That said, I have a difficult time vaping at .3 ohms even with pure 100% unflavored 0mg nicotine VG. I run my Trident v2 at .4 ohms on my Reo, but the Reo doesn't crank out quite the power that a traditional mechanical mod does. 26 gauge is my current favorite wire, but I plan on doing a rebuild on my Trident V2 with a Nano coil, using 28 gauge. My dual 26 gauge coils are 6 wraps a piece, around a 5/64" drill bit. The lighter the gauge of wire, the faster it will spool up. there is a lot of metal heating up with 24 gauge, and I notice a slight spool time with my current build
 

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NorthGuard said:
The guy at the vape shop set me up with my build . . .
Y'know, that was pretty damn irresponsible of him. I mean, who sends an absolute newbie off into the sunset with a .2something build and thinks this is a good idea?

:facepalm:

With "professionals" like that "helping" newcomers, we really don't need enemies.




You sound like a very sensible person, NorthGuard, and I'm glad you discovered ECF while you still have a whole face.
 

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Y'know, that was pretty damn irresponsible of him. I mean, who sends an absolute newbie off into the sunset with a .2something build and thinks this is a good idea?

:facepalm:

With "professionals" like that "helping" newcomers, we really don't need enemies.




You sound like a very sensible person, NorthGuard, and I'm glad you discovered ECF while you still have a whole face.
I was thinking the same thing.
 

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Y'know, that was pretty damn irresponsible of him. I mean, who sends an absolute newbie off into the sunset with a .2something build and thinks this is a good idea?

:facepalm:

With "professionals" like that "helping" newcomers, we really don't need enemies.
Unfortunately, the above is becoming more & more common. I cringe every time I read of this happening.

The saving grace is a few of these customers find their way to ECF and begin asking questions. Hopefully the veteran leadership here on ECF continue to educate these novices on the safety principals required for "safer" sub-ohm vaping.


More links for the novice:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/batteries-chargers/546143-batteries-chargers-multi-meters-forum.html

Rebuildable Atomizer Systems
 

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Unfortunately, the above is becoming more & more common. I cringe every time I read of this happening.

The saving grace is a few of these customers find their way to ECF and begin asking questions. Hopefully the veteran leadership here on ECF continue to educate these novices on the safety principals required for "safer" sub-ohm vaping.


More links for the novice:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/batteries-chargers/546143-batteries-chargers-multi-meters-forum.html

Rebuildable Atomizer Systems
Only thing that bothers me Is the fact that this is dangerous never came up once. Definitely glad I found ECF to begin my education [emoji5]
Hell, yes.

Clowns like this dimwitted vape shop guy could easily do a lot more damage than a whole army of ANTZ!
 

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It took me 2 weeks before I purchased my first mech from doing research and I still learn things to this day!

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected-icr.html

I have been vaping now for about 7 weeks. I have also been researching mech mods and battery safety pretty much this entire time as well. I will be receiving my first mechanical mod no later than this coming Monday. I knew I would eventually end up with some mechanicals but after learning of the inherent dangers using them, I wanted to make damn sure that I was taking all safety precautions before venturing into mechs and vaping anything below about 1.2 ohms.

Thanks again for the links. I have been going through them to get a better understanding of what it is I am doing. I doubt I will be doing much sub ohm vaping in the near future.

Awesome. Thanks for the help!

After reading your initial post, I was very happy to read this post. Vape safe! :thumb:
 

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Unfortunately, the above is becoming more & more common. I cringe every time I read of this happening.

The saving grace is a few of these customers find their way to ECF and begin asking questions. Hopefully the veteran leadership here on ECF continue to educate these novices on the safety principals required for "safer" sub-ohm vaping.


More links for the novice:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/batteries-chargers/546143-batteries-chargers-multi-meters-forum.html

Rebuildable Atomizer Systems

This isn't near as bad as what happened to my brother... My brother went to a vape shop to get a new mod. The guy behind the counter sold him an Igo-w3, an NZonic and a 18650 MNKE battery. The guy built the coil and sent my brother on his way. He DID NOT sell him an ohm meter. Did not even mention that he needs to get one. Didn't even tell my brother the ohms that the coil was built to. Basically when I met up with my brother a couple days later I completely rebuilt his coil to around .5 ohms and rewicked it and everything. I was so ...... off I wanted to go to the shop and literally beat the guy for being so stupid.
 
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