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Of course I did, did you read my OP where I said "transition to" NOT "buy outright crazy stuff as your first purchase?"

Of course everyone has their opinions and safety first is a good rule. With that said, I see a lot of recommendations for stuff that in my brief experience are a waste of time and money. cigalikes, disposable atty/clearo/glasso are a waste of time and money IMHO.

Subtank mini and an istick. There, a simple recommendation to a new user that has a great wealth of possibilities and a rebiuildable option from the get go.

You make a good point, anyone entering the vape market today, no matter how new to it they are, have a myriad of options that weren't available even 6 months ago. I started with an ecig in 2009, and I've gone through a couple of transformations that had me waffling between analogs and vaping, but now that I have a sub-ohming device that is simple to use, really, it's hard not to recommend it to a newbie. Why go through disposable to carts to canteens and various smallish batteries too finally get to vaping nirvana? I guess you just gotta pay your dues in the vape community, lol.
 

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Don't forget that your average new vaper does not know a cartomizer from a clearomizer - or have any idea which part actually is this fabled "atty". Or even where a "head" goes.

Been there, done that. :D

One can learn all this from youtube and ECF... but I think it's easy to overestimate how much effort someone wants to put into something just to see if it even has a potential of working out for them. Can't blame people for wanting to simply 'have a go' at something without investing days of research and trial and error - trying to reproduce a product they have yet to even hold a working version of.
 
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Hi guys interested to know more about rebuildables. Already ordered in 20m kanthal 30G wire. Is this the right size for newbies? Still thinking of which RBA or RDA to get. Any tips?

The higher the gauge, the thinner the wire. I find 26 to be my preferred gauge, but I have worked with wire my whole life. I like something I can feel in my fingers, and 28 and up are hair thin to me.

I love the Tugboat V1, it's real simple and easy to build on and gives me tons of vapor and flavor. They are on sale from the original USA manufacturer for $35.00 at Flawless Vapes, you can't beat that price, most clones from China go for $30. Have fun and good luck!
 

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I started vapeing 1 months ago and am now made the jump to an Atlantis and my first mech and am getting a rda in about two weeks went from an evod2 to the Atlantis in a week. now i find myself looking at box mods when your new and you see all the stuff out there now I'm like a kid in a candy shop wanting all of it just to find a great vape
 

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Hi all,
Have to agree with Goyo. Ultimately money matters. If you have to go for sustainable vaping, DIY is the way ahead. Does'nt require rocket science and is fun way to get into vaping. Basically, I think that by building / making your own stuff you tend to invest a part of yourself and hence more comitment. Further, seeing your first build work gives you a sense of achievement. A basic mech mod DIY will not cost you more than $15 - 20 worst case and you can use any material you are comfortable with. Try it will be fun. (note: please please read about ohm law - there is enough material on the ECF about it).
(just joined but have been vaping for about six months)
 

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Hi all,
Have to agree with Goyo. Ultimately money matters. If you have to go for sustainable vaping, DIY is the way ahead. Does'nt require rocket science and is fun way to get into vaping. Basically, I think that by building / making your own stuff you tend to invest a part of yourself and hence more comitment. Further, seeing your first build work gives you a sense of achievement. A basic mech mod DIY will not cost you more than $15 - 20 worst case and you can use any material you are comfortable with. Try it will be fun. (note: please please read about ohm law - there is enough material on the ECF about it).
(just joined but have been vaping for about six months)

And when you buy that shiny 20 dollar Chinese knock off and realize they forgot to insulate the contact points with delrin and fire that bad boy up things happen...

Like This...
911 Caller Says Electronic Cigarette "Blew Up in My Hand" | NBC Southern California
Or this...
E-cig charger explodes, burning hole in Minnesota author's car [PHOTO] | City Pages
Or god forbid this...
http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/1-taken-hospital-tacoma-house-fire/nh5Tq/


We don't make this stuff up, it really does happen. Thing is it usually only happens to people who don't take the time to understand how this works.
That's usually the same people who go straight to mech mods and sub-ohming thinking they're hot stuff.
Then the news can have a field day and tell all their lies about how bad this industry is, but we all know it wasn't the device it was the uninformed vapor (I'd use another word but I won't even go there) pushing the button.

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And when you buy that shiny 20 dollar Chinese knock off and realize they forgot to insulate the contact points with delrin and fire that bad boy up things happen...

Like This...
911 Caller Says Electronic Cigarette "Blew Up in My Hand" | NBC Southern California
Or this...
E-cig charger explodes, burning hole in Minnesota author's car [PHOTO] | City Pages
Or god forbid this...
http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/1-taken-hospital-tacoma-house-fire/nh5Tq/


We don't make this stuff up, it really does happen. Thing is it usually only happens to people who don't take the time to understand how this works.
That's usually the same people who go straight to mech mods and sub-ohming thinking they're hot stuff.
Then the news can have a field day and tell all their lies about how bad this industry is, but we all know it wasn't the device it was the uninformed vapor (I'd use another word but I won't even go there) pushing the button.

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This ^^^^^^^ is perfect. Thanks for putting into words exactly what I was thinking.
 

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I started small and worked my way up to rebuildables. Some will go slower than others. The progression took me about four months. I got inspired by the constant ordering of coils for my Aspire products. Now I use an RTA an RDA and have a myriad of nice mods to fire all my goodies. I have a small toolbox filled with rebuilding gear to last me a year for 40 bucks or so. That includes coil jigs, ohms meter and wick and wire up the kazoo. I HAD to go through this evolution to get where I am today.

Race car drivers start in Go carts, not Formula one cars. There is a reason for that.
 

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I can't disagree with this more.

A new vaper doesn't have the knowledge necessary to make proper use of rebuildables, DIY, or battery safety. Those who are willing to invest the time to learn properly can certainly make that leap, but so many just want something as easy as buying a pack of cigarettes and a lighter, which the things you mentioned are just NOT.

I'm not saying it is difficult. I am simply saying that it is more difficult than.

For many, the additional costs involved in "easy" vaping are worth it. One does need to make the decision and weigh the benefits and time required for the other options.

Goyo, what works for you is excellent, and I'm glad you're into rebuilding and DIY. That doesn't mean it is right for everyone.

You shouldn't assume that others have the same "limitations" as yourself.
 

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I've given you my opinion. One thing I would say is get a good mod. I have been a Provari guy for years simply because of the way they are built. Still have my V1 and it works as well as the day I bought it but I have gotten to like the smaller box mods. The SXmini gives you all the power you will ever need 60w, probably the most solidly Chinese built mod you could find and will do everything you want it too for years to come. I also feel the same way about my rDNA40 Vapor Shark. It only has 40w but for me more then enough. For an atty thats up to you. I keep hearing yuk with a nautilus and I think they are a great go to especially since they came out with the BVC heads. Thats all my wife uses and I bought her 30 heads just in case some of this assenine tax goes through. The heads last about a month shes not a heavy vaper and have never had a bad one since the BVC. The old heads sucked. The subtank mini is great also it doesn't have to be a subtank. You can rebuild the heads fairly easily and it has an RBA deck which is all I use generally about 1.5ohm but for the money I think they are the best thing going. I have 5. So Goyo get a good mod I prefer regulated with 40-60w capability and it will grow with you and get the atty that you are comfortable with. For my money the Kanger sub mini is the way to go it even comes with an extra tank. Evapeus has one of the best prices $32 I think and enjoy yourself. This thread has gone on so long you could've ordered an SX and a Kanger and had it built by now.
 

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Oh and one more thing got to tasteyourjuice.com and watch the reviews on the different mods. He has reviewed the IPV, SX, rDNA40 and many more and will give you the complete info including showing it on a scope to see how it works. He is always honest and really complete on the reviews. Seems like it was the IPV that had a dangerous charging port but could have been another. Check it out. He won't steer you wrong.
 

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I agree with the original post but most people do need a learning curve to get to the rebuilding and DIY juice. I am one of those folks and I feel ....ty about all the waste of money and materials that went into purchasing countless little plastic bottles and metal atomizers. This is good advice to take in, and some people may feel comfortable enough to jump into it right away. Rebuilding coils is a lot easier than it looks as a newb, a few months back I hadn't even thought of it until I was at a certain vape shop seeing the owner recoil someone's atty and thought, it looks simple enough, why is this guy paying for the service? It's simple folks, you don't need to be an electrician or an artizan to build those coils, but basic understanding of electrical workings is very important.
 

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Before I purchased my device I put well over 40 hours into research on the internet. I visited two B&M and put in close to 5 hours between them actually holding and working with all kinds of batteries and tanks and actually vaping on multiple styles--all the while putting the clerks through the ringer with questions and blank stares. I talked to other customers. I talked to the two people I know who are vaping. BDC, BVC, OCC, RTA, RBA, RDA, mahs mls mms and ohms, diketones, ceramic, vv/vw, kanthal, mods, ego, 510, afc, PG, VG, throat hit, vapor's tongue, steeping, and video after video of how to replace wicks and coils....It's really easy to go into information overload. On more than one occasion, I simply had to step away from it all. It started to feel too much like I was cramming for a final exam. After smoking for 35 years, I had to ask myself how commited I was to this whole vaping thing because this isn't as simple as walking into the gas station and pickin up a pack of smokes.

Analysis paralysis, plain and simple. For all the other researchers who've stumbled onto this thread trying to make an informed decision to make a purchase they won't regret and wish they'd just eaten $100 dollars for breakfast instead--I feel your frustration. For all the folks who have tried a low-end device, realized it wasn't enough to replace a cig, but aren't sure what to purchase that will feel more satisfying--I feel your anxiety. I'm sure I'm not the only one with limited budget and limited hours in the day to fiddle and faff with multiple devices and styles even if I could afford to buy them. How does it travel, is it going to be like carrying an egg in my pocket all day waiting for it to break--do I really need one device that never goes anywhere other than the endtable next to the recliner and another when I go out to plant vegetables and flowers or change the oil on the tractor?

I'm one of those folks who will dry my hands with a paper towel and set it in a stack for use as a disposable snot rag later in the day. Household plastics get recycled and all metals get thrown in the back of the truck and taken to the local recycler. I DIY all the time. I love working with my hands and I love the sense of accomplishment. I've got drawers and buckets full of nuts and bolts and nails and wires and hand tools and power tools and if the shear bolt on the brush hog kisses the clouds I can change it out quicker than it takes to stop and pee. All of which is to say, I like to think I'm taking steps to be environmentally friendly, and DIY and self-sufficiency is pretty much always in the background around here.

All that said....I consciously and intentionally purchased a device that doesn't require me to build and wick my own coils. For me, I took coil wrapping and head rebuilding out of the equation. I couldn't be happier with my purchase. After I've broken even with the cost of the cigarette habit in a few months, and if I'm still finding vaping satisfying or even desirable six or nine months down the road and not smoking cigs, perhaps I'll choose an alternative approach. Or maybe not. We all make lifestyle choices based on our own very personal habits and needs and budgets and worldviews and even physical differences with our eyes or hands. One size fits all only means no one is fitted well.
 

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Before I purchased my device I put well over 40 hours into research on the internet. I visited two B&M and put in close to 5 hours between them actually holding and working with all kinds of batteries and tanks and actually vaping on multiple styles--all the while putting the clerks through the ringer with questions and blank stares. I talked to other customers. I talked to the two people I know who are vaping. BDC, BVC, OCC, RTA, RBA, RDA, mahs mls mms and ohms, diketones, ceramic, vv/vw, kanthal, mods, ego, 510, afc, PG, VG, throat hit, vapor's tongue, steeping, and video after video of how to replace wicks and coils....It's really easy to go into information overload. On more than one occasion, I simply had to step away from it all. It started to feel too much like I was cramming for a final exam. After smoking for 35 years, I had to ask myself how commited I was to this whole vaping thing because this isn't as simple as walking into the gas station and pickin up a pack of smokes.

Analysis paralysis, plain and simple. For all the other researchers who've stumbled onto this thread trying to make an informed decision to make a purchase they won't regret and wish they'd just eaten $100 dollars for breakfast instead--I feel your frustration. For all the folks who have tried a low-end device, realized it wasn't enough to replace a cig, but aren't sure what to purchase that will feel more satisfying--I feel your anxiety. I'm sure I'm not the only one with limited budget and limited hours in the day to fiddle and faff with multiple devices and styles even if I could afford to buy them. How does it travel, is it going to be like carrying an egg in my pocket all day waiting for it to break--do I really need one device that never goes anywhere other than the endtable next to the recliner and another when I go out to plant vegetables and flowers or change the oil on the tractor?

I'm one of those folks who will dry my hands with a paper towel and set it in a stack for use as a disposable snot rag later in the day. Household plastics get recycled and all metals get thrown in the back of the truck and taken to the local recycler. I DIY all the time. I love working with my hands and I love the sense of accomplishment. I've got drawers and buckets full of nuts and bolts and nails and wires and hand tools and power tools and if the shear bolt on the brush hog kisses the clouds I can change it out quicker than it takes to stop and pee. All of which is to say, I like to think I'm taking steps to be environmentally friendly, and DIY and self-sufficiency is pretty much always in the background around here.

All that said....I consciously and intentionally purchased a device that doesn't require me to build and wick my own coils. For me, I took coil wrapping and head rebuilding out of the equation. I couldn't be happier with my purchase. After I've broken even with the cost of the cigarette habit in a few months, and if I'm still finding vaping satisfying or even desirable six or nine months down the road and not smoking cigs, perhaps I'll choose an alternative approach. Or maybe not. We all make lifestyle choices based on our own very personal habits and needs and budgets and worldviews and even physical differences with our eyes or hands. One size fits all only means no one is fitted well.

Yes, good that you did your research but thats you....

To make a new thread in the new vapers forum and suggest that everyone should start off with rebuildables and low ohm coils isn't only wrong it's damn near criminal! Do you honestly think everyone will take hours to do research? Let me answer that for you NO, they won't. That's why we start out people with low cost low power devices until they feel they can take off and spread their wings, by then they have several hours if not days of research and reading this forum.

But for the OP to tell new people to go out and buy high power output devices and sub ohm atomizers... Come on man what was he thinking?
 
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Meh, yall vets just want to make a buck or two off of new vapers.

I AM GLAD i SAW THROUGH THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

Who ...... in your cheerios no one on this part of forum sell anything its prohibited, this is were more experienced vapor help newly started vapors progress to wherever the new vapor wants to take it being to just quit analogs or it to become a hobby. Ive been vaping a long time and when im out and about i use prebuilt coils as its easier than whipping out a bottle every ten minutes to wet my rda. Now take yourself somewhere else and quit trolling.
 

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I don't think there is anything wrong with buying a device that will put out some good power. Just because it is there doesn't mean you have to use it. Sure I have a 60w device but I barely use it above 20w, but it's there for future things. I did recommend and MVP and I wasn't really thinking. These newbies are all at their own pace. I'm 65 years old and it took me a while but these younger people have grown up with computers, cell phones that are computers and can play them like a piano. Everyone is different. I recommended the MVP but all I use mine for is dry burning my coils and if I build any that are subohm it isn't even good for that. It would be great if everything else I had failed which it won't. Like I keep saying go to TASTEYOURJUICE.COM. He is a little verbose but will give you honest answers about all the equipment out there and it doesn't matter what it is. He just recently gave the DNA40 devices an overall Thumbs Down even though Brandon head of Evolv is a friend of his that came to his house to do a video and went to China with him and toured the Kanger, Innokin and others. Just because they are friends didn't change his opinion of Nickel wire, which I share with him. He does the most complete reviews of all of the products out there and won't steer you wrong. I have been talking back and forth with him through emails for years and a lot of people don't like sitting through his 1 hour reviews but when you are done you will know that device inside out. Everyone learns at their own pace and all I am saying is sure get a device that is capable of 40 w. If you vape a cartomizer so be it but when you make the jump to a really nice rebuildable you don't have to buy a new mod to do it. Just slap it on and away you go. Oh and also he didn't give the DNA40's a complete thumbs down just the temperature control. Mine is in my top 2 the other is the SX which is also going to TC but a little different. They are both very accurate and work great I love my Vapor Shark just not the nickel wire to build with.
 
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When I started vaping, there were no high powered box mods, the most powerful devices coming in at about 15 watts. Tanks were nowhere near where they are today. I got into mechanicals and rebuildables, it was the only way to get that amount of power. With the technology today, here s really no need to get into mechs and rda's I would suggest a new person get a 50 to 100 watt regulated device so they can grow into it. I would definitely suggest something with premade coils for someone just starting out. I just recently got a subtank recently and I absolutely love it. I was not a Kanger fan at all, but that tank is amazing!
Over the time I have been vaping I think the area I have wasted the most Money is in buying cheap equipment. I had a k100 that wore out in a couple months, A magneto that the plastic wore out and slipped down to contact the button, almost venting. I had a 4nine clone that the button would constantly get stuck, a ccaravela clone that always came loose, and a Celtic clone that I had to sand down to get it to fire. On the other hand I have an Asmodus with a Doge 2 authentic, and a Sigelei 100+ also with a Doge 2, all of which works flawlessly. Whether it is a tank or dripper, rebuildable or premade, mechanical or regulated, invest in good equipment.

if cost is the issue, I would reccomend learning DIY liquid. The cost difference is huge. I can make a 3 month supply for around $40. After the initial frustration and some wasted juice, I found what I like and make a large batch about a month before I run out. Once you get the hang of it, it is actually quite fun. For anyone starting out I would recommend using nic base that is only twice the strength of the desired finished product. High concentration nicotine solution is some real nasty stuff, so until you now how to properly handle it, stick to a lower concentration.
 

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Yep I hear ya all I had was 3.7v cigarette size batteries. Then I got a Mech and found out about stacking I think they were CR123 I can't remember how many volts they were. I burned a hole in my pocket had the mech in my pants and my leg felt hot and I looked down and my jeans were smoking. I had forgotten to screw the switch lock on. Talk about Hot Pants. This is as I was telling a guy how great vaping was. That was in 09. IDK how many attys and cartos I burned up with that GG telescoping $200 doorstop. Lots of power and would fire even using your jeans as an atty. If I cleaned it up it would probably be worth some money it was a work of art in its day. Made by Imeothanesis in Greece. If you've been around you might have heard the name. Google him he is still making mods.
 
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