I was being sarcastic because that's the popular advice people give to new vapers.
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New vapers, go rebuildable...
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Perhaps you're expecting too much from the vets. I can't speak for all of them but I can speak for myself in saying that I know nothing about the sub ohm tank. I won't suggest things I know nothing about. I will suggest things I've tried & had success with. But for me, my suggestions are pretty limited since I went from a very crappy Inferno kit to Stardust clearos/Egos & then from there Vivi Nova/Ego to the Evod/Twist to REO/RM2 and from the REO I haven't changed since. Since I don't find the REO to be the best device to suggest to a new vaper that leaves my own real viable suggestion being the Evod/Twist, and I know there are better set ups than these now but don't know anything about them.
If you have a good set up suggestion for new vapers then perhaps you should be the one suggesting it to them rather than suggesting others do it. We can only give suggestions based on what we know.
Problem is and as I mentioned last night, those kind of recommendations are generally overshadowed by the people who think every new user shouldn't be buying anything greater then a basic iStick or MVP.
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and thats because of the "knowledge" that you have aquired in learning how to work with your ecigs in a safe manner
just because anyone has "learned" how to build coils and rebuild, doesnt mean that when they "tell some-one else its easier", that other pseron learns instantly how to be safe about something they know nothing about
If only that were so dd, that we could so easily learn from each other.
There are three kinds of men: the one that learns by reading, the few who learn by observation, and the rest who have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. Will Rogers
I'm afraid I've been all three and often. LOL
Repeating mistakes is the easiest thing we do. And the hardest thing to admit, that we've made one.
Good luck.
At some point the new vaper has to take the information given & try to sort out what they really want for themselves. Even if 1 suggestion for something different is among 25 other suggestions for the same old basic set up, it's in the hands of the new vaper to try & look into these products and find out more information.
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You really opened a can of worms here. I still say go to tasteyourjuice.com and watch the videos for newbies. Also YouTube go to RIP Tripper and watch his videos for newbies. Now neither one of them cover DIY but watch them and with RIP watch his coil building series. The guy is a coil wizard. If it looks like something you would like to give a whirl try it.
DIY you can make single flavor juice. You have to decide %of VG PG, mg of Nicotine and check a spread sheet like this one for The Flavor Apprentices flavors that gives you % of flavor https://www.v-ecigs.com/tfa-flavor-percentage-recommendations. Then you have to go to some place like rtsvapes.com and get supplies measuring equipment, bottles,VG,PG, Nicotine. Or just buy some already made. DIY is really for folks who are going to make it a lot not just a bottle or 2. I never make less then 200ml in 100ml batches of the flavors I like. Get the ejuicemeup calculator. It's alot more involve then wrapping a coil or 2. You really need to go to a thread about DIY and find out what it is all about.
Just don't go into it blindly watch those videos. Also a lot of people recommend the Kanger subohm the mini is the one you want. Remember if you use the heads the.5ohm if you have something with enough to fire it will give you a lot more nicotine then something like the Nautilus 1.8 the 1.2ohm is not so hot but it will still give you alot more vapor then cigalikes. I might tell you the DIY you just don't go buy the flavor you like that you got at your vape shop as you will see when you look at that flavors sheet and not all taste like their name its trial and error. Wizardlabs.com is another place and they sell sample sizes of TFA flavors 8ml so you can try small batches.
You really opened a can of worms here. I still say go to tasteyourjuice.com and watch the videos for newbies. Also YouTube go to RIP Tripper and watch his videos for newbies. Now neither one of them cover DIY but watch them and with RIP watch his coil building series. The guy is a coil wizard. If it looks like something you would like to give a whirl try it.
DIY you can make single flavor juice. You have to decide %of VG PG, mg of Nicotine and check a spread sheet like this one for The Flavor Apprentices flavors that gives you % of flavor https://www.v-ecigs.com/tfa-flavor-percentage-recommendations. Then you have to go to some place like rtsvapes.com and get supplies measuring equipment, bottles,VG,PG, Nicotine. Or just buy some already made. DIY is really for folks who are going to make it a lot not just a bottle or 2. I never make less then 200ml in 100ml batches of the flavors I like. Get the ejuicemeup calculator. It's alot more involve then wrapping a coil or 2. You really need to go to a thread about DIY and find out what it is all about.
Just don't go into it blindly watch those videos. Also a lot of people recommend the Kanger subohm the mini is the one you want. Remember if you use the heads the.5ohm if you have something with enough to fire it will give you a lot more nicotine then something like the Nautilus 1.8 the 1.2ohm is not so hot but it will still give you alot more vapor then cigalikes. I might tell you the DIY you just don't go buy the flavor you like that you got at your vape shop as you will see when you look at that flavors sheet and not all taste like their name its trial and error. Wizardlabs.com is another place and they sell sample sizes of TFA flavors 8ml so you can try small batches.
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True however most people aren't going to look at those suggestions unfortunately and somebody who is new is going to trust popular opinion. I did this very thing when I was new when 95% the information I was getting in my introduction thread tips weren't making me do anything but waste money on unnecessary vape supplies while I continued to smoke cigarettes. Then when I expressed my joy in vaping higher watts and how I finally kicked the habit, I was kinda met with hostility and burned to the stake as a Cloud Chaser.
I've come to realize that a lot of people around here are set in their ways and the way they vape is how everybody should be vaping. Because they have been vaping for a few years and there wasn't much available when they started, a low watt variable voltage device is all anybody needs.
I found out early that the MVP 2.0/Nautilus combo wasn't for me and it still sits in my glove box as a power supply while I find somebody to pay it forward to. A lot of my early spending alarmed my girlfriend to the point where she still gives me crap about my spending even though I now have it figured out and spend a lot less. But had I just bought a 30 to 50w mod from the start, I wouldn't have spent useless money.
And back to the building thing which is the original topic at hand, I really don't see much wrong with a newer vaper building basic micro coils on a device that has the safety features. If people really are so concerned about safety (I guess you can never be too safe), why not educate instead of scaring them away? For I know I was scared to death for a while because of the popular opinion here until vapers in other sections of this site as well as my Facebook groups showed me otherwise. But that wasn't before I spent enough useless money to buy a Vapor Flask.
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A noobie giving noobies bad advice, precious! You have to crawl before you walk.
Interesting that people recommending build-able stuff preach needing a safety net. If properly rebuilt they'll work just fine on a mechanical mod. It's been stated "how hard is it to wrap a coil"? Yep, and how hard is it to check the resistance of that coil before firing it. I'm sure glad I didn't stumble across this thread as a new vapor, I'd still be smoking. I've only used one tank in the last year, a kayfun and on the occasions a tank is needed for convenience it's been just fine. The rest are hybrid mods that I couldn't screw anything on if I wanted to nor could I unscrew the top and put it on a device I needed to have a safety net on.
The walk before you run thing holds true in many many walks of life, vaping is one of them. Sorry the OP had things that didn't work. As someone that helps tons of new vapors I can assure you no matter what brand of coil you buy pre-made, always check it before actually firing it. a 75 percent failure rate is pretty high. I would have went back to the shop where I got them and got replacements.
Also this "vaping thing" has progressed a long way since I started and I know there were those that came before me. Back then it was a huge deal to replace the poly inside a 510 "cartridge" with foam from a fish aquarium filter to mod the thing. Tons more juice to the atty! Some of us didn't have all the options that are available today. I think people should use whatever they're comfortable with, and go from there if they wish to progress to other things.
The walk before you run thing holds true in many many walks of life, vaping is one of them. Sorry the OP had things that didn't work. As someone that helps tons of new vapors I can assure you no matter what brand of coil you buy pre-made, always check it before actually firing it. a 75 percent failure rate is pretty high. I would have went back to the shop where I got them and got replacements.
Also this "vaping thing" has progressed a long way since I started and I know there were those that came before me. Back then it was a huge deal to replace the poly inside a 510 "cartridge" with foam from a fish aquarium filter to mod the thing. Tons more juice to the atty! Some of us didn't have all the options that are available today. I think people should use whatever they're comfortable with, and go from there if they wish to progress to other things.
[Rba's kept me from going back to using tobacco. The kayfun gave me the vape I wanted and the drippers give me something to play with. But, if I would have been sold an rba and roll of kanthal as part of my starter kit I would have smoked half a pack of cigarretes setting it up. Rebuildables are definitely the way to go if one is trading habits. If you are simply using vaping as a stepping stone to freedom there is nothing wrong with a nautilus. Just don't get ripped off. You need to research vape gear like you would a new car before going into a store. Or just buy online.
I have found that a lot of shops will give deals on bundles or multiple bottles of juice. Especially if you point out the absurdity of the prices and tell them what. the price in the real world is.
DIY isn't for everyone. I got kids. I'm the crazy guy that has one more kid than you do. But I love them so I personally cannot have potentially unmanageable quantities of poison on my property. My vape gear goes where I go
I have found that a lot of shops will give deals on bundles or multiple bottles of juice. Especially if you point out the absurdity of the prices and tell them what. the price in the real world is.
DIY isn't for everyone. I got kids. I'm the crazy guy that has one more kid than you do. But I love them so I personally cannot have potentially unmanageable quantities of poison on my property. My vape gear goes where I go
Sorry, I will admit that I was a little heated when I posted the OP but I believe the message comes from a good place and is valid. I may be new HERE, but I have put in my due diligence in learning the issues that might harm a vaporizer user. To be honest I am reaching my fill of the members here treating fellow vapers like children. Thanks for your feedback.
That quote has been stated at least 3 times previous in this thread. Thank you for not reading the thread and assuming I have not done my research.
Why?
So I can waste money and time? No thanks!
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This is why I went to a Kangertech Subtank Mini.
It's a good option for newbies since it includes Kangertech OCC coils at 0.5ohm and 1.2ohm, plus the rebuildable kit so you can build your own coils and wicks.
It was my second tank and I love it. Great flavour and easy for newbies.
It's a good option for newbies since it includes Kangertech OCC coils at 0.5ohm and 1.2ohm, plus the rebuildable kit so you can build your own coils and wicks.
It was my second tank and I love it. Great flavour and easy for newbies.
The 0P seems to be paranoid about vet vapers trying to pedal noobie gear? I am still not sure if he is trolling. I believe if the new vaper has time to learn about RDA they should start researching. As others have said sticking with a safe vv/vw at first is ideal.
Just finished reading 18 pages of what is in my opinion a pissing contest. I am still a newbie and have no interest in joining your " BIGGER BADDER BETTER " club. So what if you vape on a Caddilac and build your own coils? I don't !! I am quite content vaping my little Istick 20 Nauti mini and have no interest in coil making. If and when I decide I want to rebuild I will certainly ask your advice. Just don't assume I should vape like you. I am just so happy to be off analogs.
Remember.......VAPE AND LET VAPE....thank you.
Remember.......VAPE AND LET VAPE....thank you.
people pay for convienences.... but eventually evolution of vaping takes hold and rebuilding becomes part of the lifestyle... it just takes time for some to evolve....
I'd consider multiple upgrades to be part of an inevitable and not entirely undesirable path. But some cheapies don't last long enough to end up as backup.
The newbie is faces the problem of having to buy something not knowing if they will like it, yet not sabotaging that by going too cheap. Of course, if you have money that wouldn't be a problem, but I don't know any of those people. Maybe the best thing would be if they made the ultimate disposable: incredible vape for a few days, and as foolproof as possible, then it dies, rather than a reusable device that bumps along from problem to problem. Actually I didn't have a lot of problem with cheapies once I got into something built to be somewhat serviceable, that was the difference, not cost.
Subtank might be good for a young beginner, but older smokers probably would choke on the 1.2 ohm at 3 volts.
To clarify what I said earlier about rebuildables, I've found it a learning process to even match the vape from my cheapest working clearo. Actually, for some juices, I don't think I ever will.
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