New vapers, go rebuildable...

[LMS62]

I just read through 9 pages of people attempting to defend "but MY way is the Right Way!"

Seriously? This argument is worse the "Glock vs 1911" on the gun boards

You're using a nautilus on an istick, and it works great for you? Cool! Stick with it!

You weren't happy until you got a Provari and an authentic kayfun v4, but now have a satisfying vape? Cool! Stick with it!

You hand machined your own custom atty, and power it via a Honda generator? Cool! Stick with it!

Ye gawds, people: we're supposed to be about personal choice! The is no "One True Way"

I agree completely. This thread is nothing more than the typical, worn out "this is the way I vape, and you should too" or "since it is easy for me, it should be easy for you" b.s.

New vapers have different abilities, skill sets, limitations, motivations, disposable incomes, etc. And some are able and willing to pay extra $$$ for the convenience of not having to rebuild or DIY their juice. To give a canned, standard recommendation for new vapers in general, regardless of what the recommendation is, seems silly ( with the exception of safety aspects). Of course, this is just my opinion....I could be wrong.

 

[tj99959]

Of course, safety first always but people shouldn't act like rebuilding an atomizer on a regulated device is some kind of advanced thing like working with dynamite. So far the regulated accidents that have happened have had nothing to do with this "potentially deadly" thing like building a 1.3 ohm coil with 28g kanthal.

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Look, we all know that you love your Hanna (nothing wrong with that), but thinking it can protect you from every mistake that can possibly be made is foolish.

We also know that when something bad happens (most of the time) it wasn't an accident .... it was stupidity! Normally caused by lack of knowledge.

All we are trying to tell the noobs is 'don't just take it from a leap of faith .......... LEARN'

 

[BI00dR3D]

I remember when I first started vaping having to look through 5 diffrent types of ego styled batts to find the passthrough upgrade seemed nerve racking to me. I couldnt imagine starting where I am now.

 

[NancyR]

I agree completely. This thread is nothing more than the typical, worn out "this is the way I vape, and you should too" or "since it is easy for me, it should be easy for you" b.s.

New vapers have different abilities, skill sets, limitations, motivations, disposable incomes, etc. And some are able and willing to pay extra $$$ for the convenience of not having to rebuild or DIY their juice. To give a canned, standard recommendation for new vapers in general, regardless of what the recommendation is, seems silly ( with the exception of safety aspects). Of course, this is just my opinion....I could be wrong.

Some of us do not give "canned" responses and take many things into account before suggesting something. My main thing is for people to be safe, that means knowing what you are doing.

 

[MacTechVpr]

My first builds were horrible, and my results with rebuildables still are hit and miss, so for a beginner without a reference of good or bad, no way. And I'm an engineer! Plus I don't think a still-smoker can handle the big stuff.

As to "sustainable", using prebuilt coil units are a little more wasteful, but mostly more expensive. I can at least extend the cheap old Kangers but wasn't impressed by the Aspire "replacement" BVC or EVOD2 so am hesitant to go any further into the more expensive, harder to rebuild coil'd devices. I think it makes a certain sense that making small amounts of quality vapor is best with factory-built stuff, vs. more vapor and power requires and allows something more "human-sized".

Ah, indeed if that were so, but given the quality of coils in use since vaping began that proves unsatisfactory to many unfortunately. And it hasn't changed much since I started vaping with carto's and the Vivi Nova. Biggest fail on ECF is that everyone's in a rush to get to the vape and get over. Unfortunately, given what smoking does to our sense of taste that means we need a flavor boost from the jump. Something inefficient inconsistent gear can't provide. So, I decided to first find or design and build to a reliable metric. If it wasn't being done, to do it myself. Then to help others get there, fast.

I'd like to invite you back and all the others here to the Protank MicroCoil Discussion!! there's relief to be found building to a reliable metric, a proper electrical coil based on a generations old dependable method you can use in minutes to build a successful versatile coil. The contact microcoil introduced by super_X_drifter here on ECF has been the spark that's ignited vaping this past year. And on this thread you'll discover an abundance of information on how to adapt the principle of strain (tension winding) to make rebuilding simple, fast and repeatable.

Kanger's new Subtank is the first consumer clearomizer to finally allow new vapers to easily transition from a prebuilt factory coil to one that can more adequately suit their needs. No doubt soon there will be others. Using the tech and strategies explained in the above thread consistency is realistically attainable in weeks not months. Some spend years on ECF in the school of trial-and-error. It's much more productive to explore that horizon of styles and preferences with a reliable building method at our disposal.

Please allow me and other subscribers to lend a hand.

Beyond that an advanced thread hosted by super_X_drifter and myself...Tensioned Micro Coils. The next step.

Congratulations all! When you're ready, we'll see you there.

Good luck.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I remember when I first started vaping having to look through 5 diffrent types of ego styled batts to find the passthrough upgrade seemed nerve racking to me. I couldnt imagine starting where I am now.

Agree 100/cent. We all spend way too much in time money and personal dignity crawlin' up that ladder of semi-useful consumables. Beggers to a solution.

If I had it to do over again, I wouldn't.

Good luck B.

 

[defdock]

Agree 100/cent. We all spend way too much in time money and personal dignity crawlin' up that ladder of semi-useful consumables. Beggers to a solution.

If I had it to do over again, I wouldn't.

Good luck B.

and thats because of the "knowledge" that you have aquired in learning how to work with your ecigs in a safe manner



just because anyone has "learned" how to build coils and rebuild, doesnt mean that when they "tell some-one else its easier", that other pseron learns instantly how to be safe about something they know nothing about

 

[LMS62]

Some of us do not give "canned" responses and take many things into account before suggesting something. My main thing is for people to be safe, that means knowing what you are doing.

That's why I did not state that everyone gives canned responses....I said that to give a canned response seems silly.

 

[SuperTaz]

No thank you to rebuildable but my juice is DIY.I agree with realsis....it's all about choice

 

[edyle]

No thank you to rebuildable but my juice is DIY.I agree with realsis....it's all about choice

And DIY was the 2nd out of the 2 suggestions that the OP actually made to new vapers.

Most people will recommend easy stuff to new vapers.

Unfortunately. easy or lazy vaping costs a ton of money. Disposable coil attys are a good easy way to start vaping. Nautilus mini with the new 2015 cotton big juice holes on the coil are amazing. But please transition to sustainable vaping asap. Sustainable vaping means utilizing a rebuildable atty versus a disposable atty coil. Also learn to brew your own e-juice. A gallon of flavored juice can be made for 30 bucks or less.

 

[Goyo]

I am sorry if the way I stated my opinion in this thread came off whiny, judgmental, or preachy.

The motivation for me to post this was out of frustration with the supposed "easy noob friendly nautilus mini coils". I had bad luck with receiving approximately 75% bad coils. When I found a good bvc coil that worked right my vape experience was superb. PIt was the poor quality BVC coils out in the market were the cause of my frustration. I have purchased over 40 BVC nautilus replacement coils from 6 different retailers (2 online and 4 b&m). The quality varies WILDLY. There are BVC coils with 3 different sized juice holes, 2 different wicking materials, and over packed wicking material out in the marketplace.

In my experience the disposable coil experience was worse, more frustrating, more expensive, not as satisfying when compared to a RTA.

So I felt a bit ripped off.

Until the market gets rid of the older style BVC coils from their inventories and only sells the 2015 (large juicehole) coils I would not recommend a nautilus to a new person.

 

[Oberon75]

Look, we all know that you love your Hanna (nothing wrong with that), but thinking it can protect you from every mistake that can possibly be made is foolish.

We also know that when something bad happens (most of the time) it wasn't an accident .... it was stupidity! Normally caused by lack of knowledge.

All we are trying to tell the noobs is 'don't just take it from a leap of faith .......... LEARN'

Yer much of what you are talking about is much more relevant with mechanical devices. Building a coil is simple and and idiot who knows how to use a screwdriver and count wraps can do it successfully.

Again. There are no known stories of a coil build ever backfiring on anything other then a mech and if a short in a homemade coil is going to blow somebody's fingers off (which it hasn't), what about a stock coil from China? You trust Chinese quality control enough to assume a BVC can be any different?

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[Alien Traveler]

The times I quoted come from people who know a hellva of a lot more about batteries than I do, however as far as the resting this is from Charging Lithium-Ion Batteries

"Relying on the closed circuit voltage (CCV) to read the available capacity during charge is impractical. The open circuit voltage (OCT) can, however, be used to predict state-of-charge after the battery has rested for a few hours. The rest period calms the agitated battery to regain equilibrium. "

Much like checking the oil in your car, you don't drive for 100 miles turn off the engine and check the oil, you let it rest so the oil settles first.

It is only about correct measurements, not about longevity of battery at all. I see no need in "resting" battery to increase its lifespan.

 

[mp4freedom]

i like choices to im new to vaping although i had a blue type carto if thats what there called for months and it just sucked worse and worse the more i used it which was every night than i steped into a istick 30w and a atlantis expensive but works alot better mabe a little over kill but the more i use it the more i like it and i subscribed to craft vapory with suprize me as my flavor picks to tri them all. I would like to gain more info on diy eveything thats why i signed up

 

[defdock]

Yer much of what you are talking about is much more relevant with mechanical devices. Building a coil is simple and and idiot who knows how to use a screwdriver and count wraps can do it successfully.

Again. There are no known stories of a coil build ever backfiring on anything other then a mech and if a short in a homemade coil is going to blow somebody's fingers off (which it hasn't), what about a stock coil from China? You trust Chinese quality control enough to assume a BVC can be any different?

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but is the idiot, smart enough to realize the coil shouldnt touch the walls of said atty? , or to makesure the leads are finger tight, or not protruding backwards/unclipped and touching walls? not everybody has common sence. thing have to be taught/learned - expecialy when it comes to electricty and "explosive" lithium batteries.



there are plenty of stories, but "headlining news" no, as w/e APV has proper battery venting ect. APVs do fail, but commonly do not end in explostions such as mechs(due to the solid metal tube expanding). these explosions are what the news focus on, as many stories are out on the clouper minis catching fire, did any make it to the headline of the news? not that ive seen.

 

[OlderNDirt]

All I know is had I read this thread while deciding if vaping was a viable option with which to quit smoking, I would still be smoking. Just reading through it now gives me my biggest urge for a smoke in the last 8 1/2 months.

 

[tj99959]

Just for giggles, I Googled "list of e-cigs blowing up". Would you believe 9,290,000 hits?!

And-NO, I'm not going to read them all.

 

[2legsshrt]

Wow buddy you really started something here. I would say if you think it's something you can do give it a try. There is so much info out there and videos none of which was available when I started. I was using tea bags and fish aquarium filter on little attys the size of a 38shell. If you want to try it go ahead but be careful and always have a go to. What I mean by that is when your build doesn't work have something that when you push the button you are going to get a good vape and try not to suck in too much burnt cotton its bad for you.

 

[rhean]

but is the idiot, smart enough to realize the coil shouldnt touch the walls of said atty? , or to makesure the leads are finger tight, or not protruding backwards/unclipped and touching walls? not everybody has common sence. thing have to be taught/learned - expecialy when it comes to electricty and "explosive" lithium batteries.



there are plenty of stories, but "headlining news" no, as w/e APV has proper battery venting ect. APVs do fail, but commonly do not end in explostions such as mechs(due to the solid metal tube expanding). these explosions are what the news focus on, as many stories are out on the clouper minis catching fire, did any make it to the headline of the news? not that ive seen.

...but anything can go wrong. Rebuildable coils aren't the only ones that can be wonky; bought coils, or coils you just replace as in Protanks can be off, as well. A regulated mod can catch on fire, but then so can egos, with their subpar chargers, and so can our beloved cellphones, laptops, and tablets. Planes crash and drivers text on the roads. You literally can't hand a plate of food to a friend with 100% certainty that they'll survive the experience; they might choke.

My main worry about introducing a new vaper to a rebuildable even with pre-made, good coils is that they might think it's too much of a hassle. You stick the ends through the posts and tighten the screws, making sure it's the right distance from the walls and the posts, and positioned right. You measure resistance, clip the ends, test fire, reposition again, maybe tweeze a bit to take care of hot legs, uneven firing, then insert wick, then wet the wick. It's not a lot of work, but it's a bit more work than just screwing in a new head.

 

[2legsshrt]

I mean we are all adults here and watch the videos especially the ones for newbies by reputable reviewers like RIP Tripper, Phil Busardo and learn from them. Then if it looks like something you want to attempt get some Kanthal and cotton and give it a try just don't do it on a 150w mod. Use your head but always have something that works for you and you know it.