New Variable Voltage device from smoktech?

[ChrispyCritter]

...When designs are stolen right down to the name or look of another device, it puts the entire industry at risk in more than one way. First, it discourages those who actually innovate. That's a big deal...

I would agree they shouldn't have copied the look so closely..it's only the look though..but the tube mod with a voltage display probably isn't something that one company created..most likely modders came up with it way before it was even thought of my a manufacturer. Everything inside the device has been done..voltage regulation..displays ect... decades old..so who's really stealing anything but a look?..and I would question who came up with a VV tube in the 1st place...

 

[fsroq]

Totally agree with ChrispyCritter.

All buy electroncal moduls and put it in a tube. Only the look is really copied, and they should not have done that. Also some sellers are referring to Provari when talking about the Vmax.

I will have some of them, and would be more happy if it didn´t look like a PV. Dont need that. Many love the looks of the PV. It doesn´t dislike me, but it neither is a beauty to me.

 

[six]

so who's really stealing anything but a look?..and I would question who came up with a VV tube in the 1st place...

Innoken for one. They announced their new VV tube mod "The Infinity" two weeks ago.

And as to who came up with the VV tube in the first place: Read this thread to find the very first public talk about the feature "power" and the idea that it can be controlled. Buzzkill had the idea first and implemented it first. So, there you go: Notcigs.

 

[Frick]

I do the tests for myslf 1st and foremost,just for the fact of wanting to know the true numbers.

Why not share the numbers with all of us? ECF is full of potential customers, after all.

Then I will share what I found out about the unit with a particular vendor who wants to carry it but before putting in the order for them they want to know if it's a good investment.

Again, if you're not doing this for any monetary gain, what would be the harm releasing the data?

And last since Smoketech did send me the 1st unit I am expected to let them know what I personally thought of it and my data findings.

Is there an NDA in effect?

I have no clue what you mean by selling it.....selling what. I have a great career that I make my money at,I dont understand what I would sell in this conversation. I think I missed something somewhere.

I assumed you worked for a vendor, or were one yourself. Usually it's only vendors or reviewers that receive pre-release review units.

As far as sharing data here.... I try to just keep it simple and tell my "opinion" of the device as backed by testing. And even doing that much Im still catching a little slack from members, but its to be expected on ecf I guess, my skins pretty thick, and really if they spend the money to get the VMAX I know they'll see exactly what I was talking about .

Just my opinion, but you're catching a little flack because you haven't backed up your "opinion" with empirical data. We've reached a point in the evolution of vaping where it's no longer valid to hype a unit without some data to back it up.

I remember the LT being released, and people saying it "kicks like a horse" and other such hyperbole. The term "powerhouse" has been bandied about concerning this mod. I'd like to see some hard data, because without it everything is just an unsubstantiated opinion.

 

[mgmrick]

I think its wrong for testers to leak info on the internet for products they are testing. That info should be brought back to vendor so that vendor can decide what to do with that info. Maybe improve a product or feel they want the product like that.

Or should I say the negative reviews?

 

[ChrispyCritter]

Innoken for one. They announced their new VV tube mod "The Infinity" two weeks ago.

And as to who came up with the VV tube in the first place: Read this thread to find the very first public talk about the feature "power" and the idea that it can be controlled. Buzzkill had the idea first and implemented it first. So, there you go: Notcigs.

Well I'm sure a "tube mod" e cig probably goes back farther than 2010..VV with a meter goes way way back to before I was born just not in a e cig..I mean just as an example a volume control in a stereo is a VV and there have been meters in stereos and amps for decades.

I'm not saying Buzzkill didn't come up with his idea on there own but I'm not sure he was 1st. I come up with ideas that I don't know about that have been done once in awhile..I've also seen things I've had an idea for long ago be made.

You would be surprised the amount of things that are patented that someone else invented..like if you think RCA invented the TV it was Philo T. Farnsworth that was pretty much the inventor (well he was 1st to make a fully functioning one and a camera for it) but not everything he used in it he invented. He would be more like the "father" of the TV..he invented a lot of things and had quite a few patents yet he died fairly broke..lots of company's have made billions off his inventions...

 

[ChrispyCritter]

I think its wrong for testers to leak info on the internet for products they are testing. That info should be brought back to vendor so that vendor can decide what to do with that info. Maybe improve a product or feel they want the product like that.

Or should I say the negative reviews?

But they may want the info out early so it can create buzz about the device..also this is a device that is coming to market and he's testing it for a vendor...

 

[Chopper71]

Anything that keeps me off the cigarettes is okay with me,and wouldn't give a damn who came up with it first lol.

 

[six]

Well I'm sure a "tube mod" e cig probably goes back farther than 2010..VV with a meter goes way way back to before I was born just not in a e cig..I mean just as an example a volume control in a stereo is a VV and there have been meters in stereos and amps for decades.

I'm not saying Buzzkill didn't come up with his idea on there own but I'm not sure he was 1st. I come up with ideas that I don't know about that have been done once in awhile..I've also seen things I've had an idea for long ago be made.

You would be surprised the amount of things that are patented that someone else invented..like if you think RCA invented the TV it was Philo T. Farnsworth that was pretty much the inventor (well he was 1st to make a fully functioning one and a camera for it) but not everything he used in it he invented. He would be more like the "father" of the TV..he invented a lot of things and had quite a few patents yet he died fairly broke..lots of company's have made billions off his inventions...

This being what I was hoping to avoid discussion of to begin with because of the massive controversy it created when he announced it many months ago: Buzzkill also has the US patent on VV e-cigs. It covers a lot. He's not the only US mod maker with patents, but he does happen to be the guy who holds the one for VV.

I'm aware of the history of TV. The reason I have an electronics background is because the guy who invented the RCA Gold Tuner (the thing that made color tv a reality) was the guy who bought me my first Heathkit. He is also why I can solder, braise, and weld... and why maintenance, installation, and repair of microwave communications equipment is part of how I make my living... But, anyway, back to e-cigs:

This is indeed the first glimmer of VV for e-cigs in a public forum on the web. It can all be traced back to that post. e-cigs are a young industry. Maybe the possibility crossed someones mind that variable voltage could be done, but no one said it on the web before that post and no one implemented it before Buzzkill. And no one applied for the patent before Buzzkill. So. I can't find any other way to look at it than notcigs was first.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

This is indeed the first glimmer of VV for e-cigs in a public forum on the web. It can all be traced back to that post. e-cigs are a young industry. Maybe the possibility crossed someones mind that variable voltage could be done, but no one said it on the web before that post and no one implemented it before Buzzkill. And no one applied for the patent before Buzzkill. So. I can't find any other way to look at it than notcigs was first.

I built a VV vaporizer in the late 90's (see pic below)..I didn't invent it but I built one for vaporizing things..it wasn't an e cig nor did it have a voltage display and it used wall power (I thought about building a smaller one that ran on a battery with a smaller coil) but it was a variable voltage vaporizer. So who invented what? If anything he put together things that were already invented with well known ideas...

 

[Butters78]

and the buzz pro is an incredible device six, notcigs put a lot of love in his product so did provape. You can tell they were made by vapers for vapers.

 

[donnah]

I built a VV vaporizer in the late 90's (see pic below)..I didn't invent it but I built one for vaporizing things..it wasn't an e cig nor did it have a voltage display and it used wall power (I thought about building a smaller one that ran on a battery with a smaller coil) but it was a variable voltage vaporizer. So who invented what? If anything he put together things that were already invented with well known ideas...

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What kind of "things" were you trying to vaporize?

 

[fsroq]

Once again, this is not high tech. This is very simple and common technology. Dont even know why somebody could get a patent on this. For the wheel there is non.

 

[six]

If anything he put together things that were already invented with well known ideas...

So, you are saying that the caveman who invented the wheel actually invented the wagon, the wheelbarrow, and the automobile. OK man. Sure sure.

When Buzzkill announced his patent, I actually asked him how hard it had been to get because things like trim pots have been around a while... and I knew better. I spent a little over 9 soul sucking years doing litigation support for a firm that primarily handled ip issues. The fact that the parts used were already invented doesn't mean the idea of VV for e-cigs already existed due to trim pots not being new or buck circuits not being new or etc. The simple fact of the existence of a trim pot doesn't mean that everything a trim pot can be used in has been thought of.

Let's make this easier to understand. - The cave man I mentioned above - let's take the wheel. I can not patent the wheel. I can patent a pink and green wheel with spikes sticking out of it and smiley faces in the tread (assuming michelin or toyo or someone else hasn't already). Even though the wheel already exists, that doesn't mean every use for a wheel or every design of a wheel already exists or is somehow inherently attached to the very first wheel made out of a rock or log or whatever the cavemen made it out of.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

So, you are saying that the caveman who invented the wheel actually invented the wagon, the wheelbarrow, and the automobile. OK man. Sure sure.

When Buzzkill announced his patent, I actually asked him how hard it had been to get because things like trim pots have been around a while... and I knew better. I spent a little over 9 soul sucking years doing litigation support for a firm that primarily handled ip issues. The fact that the parts used were already invented doesn't mean the idea of VV for e-cigs already existed due to trim pots not being new or buck circuits not being new or etc. The simple fact of the existence of a trim pot doesn't mean that everything a trim pot can be used in has been thought of.

Let's make this easier to understand. - The cave man I mentioned above - let's take the wheel. I can not patent the wheel. I can patent a pink and green wheel with spikes sticking out of it and smiley faces in the tread (assuming michelin or toyo or someone else hasn't already). Even though the wheel already exists, that doesn't mean every use for a wheel or every design of a wheel already exists or is somehow inherently attached to the very first wheel made out of a rock or log or whatever the cavemen made it out of.

Variable volt vaporizers were already invented years ago. I think if he has a patent (probably more like patent pending) it probably wouldn't stand up in court..he might get a patent if his circuit did it differently than other VV ones but I doubt they do and they are probably parts he uses off the shelf..maybe the look of the design would if someone copied it exactly..there is no way he could patent a vv circuit with a readout as they have been around years.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

What kind of "things" were you trying to vaporize?

I used tobacco in it before...

 

[caged]

I built a VV vaporizer in the late 90's (see pic below)..I didn't invent it but I built one for vaporizing things..it wasn't an e cig nor did it have a voltage display and it used wall power (I thought about building a smaller one that ran on a battery with a smaller coil) but it was a variable voltage vaporizer. So who invented what? If anything he put together things that were already invented with well known ideas...

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Lots of patents have created by taking existing ideas and tweaking them for something else.

 

[six]

Variable volt vaporizers were already invented years ago. I think if he has a patent (probably more like patent pending) it probably wouldn't stand up in court..he might get a patent if his circuit did it differently than other VV ones but I doubt they do and they are probably parts he uses off the shelf..maybe the look of the design would if someone copied it exactly..there is no way he could patent a vv circuit with a readout as they have been around years.

You are wrong. You don't get it and I apparently am unable to explain it to you, so there it is: You're wrong. Figure it out yourself.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

You are wrong. You don't get it and I apparently am unable to explain it to you, so there it is: You're wrong. Figure it out yourself.

So if I'm wrong what did he invent? He didn't invent a variable regulated power supply..he didn't invent the e cig nor the tube mod/box mod VV mod as far as I know..this isn't a "who invented the wheel" kind of thing. They made battery powered and plug in vaporizers with voltage controls in the early 90's maybe even the 80's that you could buy in stores..same basic idea as they had a dial and coil to heat..if he has a patent it's probably on his design look. I think you just ran out of argument...

 

[ChrispyCritter]

Lots of patents have created by taking existing ideas and tweaking them for something else.

I understand that but in this case it's more along the lines of something that has already existed for a long time being used for another purpose...