New Variable Voltage device from smoktech?

[VAPNJ350]

VAPNJ,

I'm curious why did they send one to you personally for testing? Don't they have voltage meters in China? Why send it to someone in the US for beta testing?

My buisness and marketing college courses tells me it probably has something to do with marketing strategy to get the word out about the VMAX. And the vendor Im doing the testing for has a close relationship with smoketech and they told smoketech about my electrical engineering background and said if they want a U.S. engineer to test it they know a guy who has a bunch of testing equipment. Next thing I know, the vendor mails me this mod I've never seen before with a note attached that said " test this every way you can and try to kill it,let us know if its worth putting in stock. Atleast thats pretty much my understanding of how it went down, give or take some details thats nobody's buisness but mine. Hope this answers your issue. And yes Im sure they have volt meters over there.

 

[John D in CT]

.... I won't be buying a VMax anytime soon. I'm very happy with my 3.7V regulated E-Power 14650 although I may be ready to upgrade to a VV with all the bells and whistles near the end of the year... a treat for staying off the cigs.

Yzer, I think you're going to be in for a real treat when you take your first hit at an optimal voltage per coil. As i think I've said in this thread, I have a 3.4v Joyetech, your 3.7v e-Power 14650, and the 5 volt Woo. Honest to god, I did not know what I was missing until I hit one of my favorites (Geoff's Blend, from Tasty Vapor - my "studio reference" flavor) with 10-12 watts per coil. Warmth, sweetness, and flavor like never before. I could taste the sweetness on my tongue, which I had never felt at lower wattages. You might think I'm full of crap, but I'm not.

For a cheap intro, I'd just grab a Joyetech eGo twist when they finally hit the shelves; variable between 3.3 - 4.8 volts, 1000mah for about $29. It's a no-brainer, I tell ya. Is it going to be a powerhouse? hell no. But it'll a nice little battery to have in the arsenal, and you might even want to try an eGo-C tank/atty kit to go with it. That would make a killer little "stealth vaping" unit. I know I'm gonna get one, and I bet it gets used a fair amount even when I have my ProVari and VMax.

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What are you doing with the results of your testing? Sending them back to China, etc. .....

"I dont do you tube reviews, my career with Hewlett Packard keeps me too busy..... etc. ...

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VAP, you're a hell of an electrical engineer, but do I hafta come over there and show you how to use quotes?

 

[VAPNJ350]

Whats up John.....How ya doin buddy? Hey now...leave my quotin' alone !!!! lool ..

 

[John D in CT]

Whats up John.....How ya doin buddy? Hey now...leave my quotin' alone !!!! lool ..

I'm doin' a lot better than your quotes, thanks for asking lol

Hey, I want one of these so bad I can taste the warm, sweet vapor rolling over my tongue, giving each taste bud a sublime fillip (great word, look it up) as it cascades past my tonsils. Does anyone have any real info on which US vendor will have it first, or is likely to? Me want black one.

 

[MickeyRat]

I really agree about the necessity of some protections. I'm less than clear understanding what this device is supposed to have. I read in a couple of other threads it's supposed to have a 5 amp limit, but now in this one that it's 3.2 amps. At 5 amps, I don't believe it can actually have overdischarge or even short circuit protection. By the time a set of in series batts are putting out 5 amps due to a problem, I think it's probably unlikely to be able to stop what happens next by disabling the circuit. It's already too late. --- But if it is 3.2 amps, then that's much better.

That's why earlier in this thread I said that in theory you could run 7.5V to a 1.5 ohm DC. You actually can't unless the batteries are just off the charger because two 3.7V batteries will max out at 7.4V. However, I wasn't sure about the amps. I believe in a series circuit, 5 amps is 5 amps from both batts. From what I've been able to find, AW IMR 18350s have a max discharge rate of 5.8 amps. That's cutting it close. I'd be willing to bet the batteries heat up. Anything other than an IMR better have a protection circuit and you're likely to trip it in this mod.

 

[caged]

That's why earlier in this thread I said that in theory you could run 7.5V to a 1.5 ohm DC. You actually can't unless the batteries are just off the charger because two 3.7V batteries will max out at 7.4V.

They would actually max out around 8.4 volts (4.2 volts each). Not sure why they are called 3.7 volt batteries. I suppose it may be what they average throughout their charge.

 

[fsroq]

People like VAPNJ350 are helping alot to others who dont have the knowledge or equipment to find out themselves. People are not stupid, we realise that probably there will be a "positive" color in the opinion if gotten for free a testing unit. But then also I think a respectable person will tell basicly the truth, or have you reason to think he isn´t?

I want to thank VAPNJ350. You helped me alot, and you seemes to me an honest and respectable person. Thank you!

 

[Butters78]

I love the fact that new devices are coming out. It's great for our hobby and yes I call it a hobby. The fact that they made it look very much like the Provari is a joke. Like buying a fake Louis Vuitton wallet at the flea market. It's just in bad taste. Be original in your design, not a cheap knock off.

 

[John D in CT]

I love the fact that new devices are coming out. It's great for our hobby and yes I call it a hobby. The fact that they made it look very much like the Provari is a joke. Like buying a fake Louis Vuitton wallet at the flea market. It's just in bad taste. Be original in your design, not a cheap knock off.

But at least this is like a fake Louis Vitton wallet that looks as if it just might carry money better than a genuine Louis Vitton wallet, and I think that deserves at least some credit.

I do hear you though when you say that the design is a shameless ripoff of the Provari; but few people, or companies, go broke by being shameless. Sad but (IMO) true.

 

[fsroq]

Agree very much with John D in CT with the comments in his last two posts. (and most others)

 

[six]

But at least this is like a fake Louis Vitton wallet that looks as if it just might carry money better than a genuine Louis Vitton wallet, and I think that deserves at least some credit.

On this point, I can't agree even a little bit. When designs are stolen right down to the name or look of another device, it puts the entire industry at risk in more than one way. First, it discourages those who actually innovate. That's a big deal. If the people who bring us the new ideas that improve our vaping experience can't make money, they'll have not much reason to continue bringing out innovative products for us. ----- there is a "furthermore" but I think I'll PM you with that so as not to drag this thread any further off topic.

 

[John D in CT]

On this point, I can't agree even a little bit. When designs are stolen right down to the name or look of another device, it puts the entire industry at risk in more than one way. First, it discourages those who actually innovate. That's a big deal. If the people who bring us the new ideas that improve our vaping experience can't make money, they'll have not much reason to continue bringing out innovative products for us. ----- there is a "furthermore" but I think I'll PM you with that so as not to drag this thread any further off topic.

OK, feeling a lot less generous toward the Chinese at the moment; evidently there is patent infringement involved, which is seldom very cool. To be continued.

 

[yzer]

And which nation actualy invented the PV? Think about who is copying whom.

 

[yzer]

The personal vaporizer may have been invented by an American by the name of Herbert A. Gilbert who holds a US patent dated in 1963.

However, the PV that we know today that was introduced and eventually marketed as an e-cigarette was invented by the Chinese pharmacist Hon Lik in 2003 and introduced to the international market the following year.

Electronic cigarette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[KeysBum]

I want to thank VAPNJ350. You helped me alot, and you seemes to me an honest and respectable person. Thank you!

My thanks to VAPNJ350 as well! Now who is going to be carrying it, now that you have certified it's not a POS (hint?)

 

[Jimi D.]

The personal vaporizer may have been invented by an American by the name of Herbert A. Gilbert who holds a US patent dated in 1963.

However, the PV that we know today that was introduced and eventually marketed as an e-cigarette was invented by the Chinese pharmacist Hon Lik in 2003 and introduced to the international market the following year.

Electronic cigarette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ol' Herbert must've had a hard time with his mods, being that he was probably using unprotected Ray-o-vac batteries back then...lol

 

[tj99959]

Have you seen this?

GRANT OF NEW US PATENT — US PATENT NO. 8156944
The board of directors of the Company (the “Board”) is pleased to announce that on 17 April 2012, the Group’s patent for the “Aerosol Electronic Cigarette” has been successfully issued in the United States by the United States Patent and Trademark Office as United States Patent No. 8156944, (the “944 Patent”) to Mr. Hon Lik, inventor of the electronic cigarette, executive director of the Company, and has been assigned in favour of Ruyan Investment (Holdings) Limited, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Company. The 944 Patent embodies novel technologies of the electronic cigarette and is an important addition to the Group’s intellectual property portfolio. The 994 Patent is expected to facilitate new supply agreements with distributors in the near future.

Might want to get your stuff now! I foresee price increases in our future.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

Holy smokez, so what does that mean for us? Price increases really? I'm business dumb, my apologies.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

Might want to get your stuff now! I foresee price increases in our future.

If so I will just build my own like I'm sure a lot others will..it's not that hard to buy voltage regulators,tubes and switches

 

[AaronY]

Have you seen this?


Might want to get your stuff now! I foresee price increases in our future.

LOL. I don't think the patent will hold up in court. Do you think it will? Didn't a judge just over rule apple patent on a rectangle shaped tablet? I think it will be the same thing. But I might be wrong.