New Variable Voltage device from smoktech?
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My backups have backups but, I have a eyeglasses sized case that is nearby wherever I go. It has a couple ego pass throughs, a cartomizer, a drip tip, an atomizer, and a charge cord because at work I can charge it off the computer. Most of the time when I use it, it's because I left my extra batts for the REO mini at home. That case is always nearby. Even if the worst happens and I lose my main vape completely, I'll be able to assemble something to get me through the day. Another not well appreciated property of egos is that they are relatively small.
First off, we're talking about someone that has almost no experience. They aren't likely to know that one way or the other about selling it. However, that's only one side. VV still makes things more complicated and they don't need that. An ego style kit will serve well as a backup if and when they decide to go VV. However, most people probably won't decide to go VV.
Mgmrick, 2x 18350 or 16340, use a standard 2 bay charger to recharge batteries. The connector center is likely positive.
Hi guys,
I had a chance to hold one of these today. And was going to do a video on it. But when I got the the vendor's store I was told the following:
"I had the thing for two days and it fell over on my desk. This caused the button to stop working."
The result was I was able to see the unit in pieces (he decided to autopsy it). Sadly, after having seen the Lavatube board, Provari board, and the kick- I'm not entirely confident that the unit is of acceptable quality.
Was unable to take pictures (forgot my smartphone). But the board was pretty weak, with very small chips (numbers abraided off), and the tube top itself had been dremeled on one side (apparently by hand) for some fit and finish issue. Also there was cold solder joins on the surface mount components.
This *may* have been a preview or engineering sample as it was a single sent to the vendor. This may not be reflective of the final product.
At first glance- not impressive at all. I'll try and get pics of the board and post them.
I had a chance to hold one of these today. And was going to do a video on it. But when I got the the vendor's store I was told the following:
"I had the thing for two days and it fell over on my desk. This caused the button to stop working."
The result was I was able to see the unit in pieces (he decided to autopsy it). Sadly, after having seen the Lavatube board, Provari board, and the kick- I'm not entirely confident that the unit is of acceptable quality.
Was unable to take pictures (forgot my smartphone). But the board was pretty weak, with very small chips (numbers abraided off), and the tube top itself had been dremeled on one side (apparently by hand) for some fit and finish issue. Also there was cold solder joins on the surface mount components.
This *may* have been a preview or engineering sample as it was a single sent to the vendor. This may not be reflective of the final product.
At first glance- not impressive at all. I'll try and get pics of the board and post them.
With an e-Power or just about any other 3.7V device, their choices are going to be either a 1.5 ohm single coil carto, or a 2.0 ohm single coil carto IMO. A faster-draining battery like a kGo/Joyetech will let you get a decent, but not great vape on a 1.5 ohm dual coil. A VV will let you try any combination of resistances or number of coils, and will actually allow you to taste juices as they're meant to be tasted, instead of at wattages less than what release their full flavor.
Using a variable voltage device is not complicated. Buying one is not complicated. Selling one is not complicated. I do not understand why everyone is making such a big deal out of the supposed complexity involved in using them.
My friend Dan was just here, with his new ProVari. He agrees with me that it makes excellent sense to statrt with a device that will give you the best vape you can get, right from the start, and then add a second, stealthier PV if you want one. To me, it is a slam dunk no-brainer. Juice is fairly expensive, up to $3 a day for a heavy, non-DIY vaper. That is $1,000 a year for juice. Why not vape it with a superior device that will let you fully enjoy it?
IMO, what they don't need is to be screwing around with devices that won't even properly power most of the available attachments available, including high-res cartos that deliver the best performance. Why are you guys so anxious to deprive beginners of a first-rate vape? Most people really are not so stupid that they can't understand the basics as I tried to explain them in the "TMI" thread, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/291542-way-too-much-info.htmlor or can't figure out how to sell something that didn't work out for them. That said, I can't quite imagine what anyone who wants to quit smoking would find not to like about a Smoktech VMax running Boge 2.0 - 3.0 single coil Boges in a DCT tank. I just really can't.
And lastly - I am so glad I did not get the ProVari. It will not - repeat, will not - run a 1.5ohm dual coil cartomizer that happened to come in at 1.4, which put it at just over its 3.5 amp limit. The VMax will power anything out there, and I like the looks and feel of it better to boot. Add to that the raw battery power advantage that the VMax has, and it's game, set, and match.
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I might agree with you on some of the more sophisticated costly VV units but I could, and would recommend the eGo C Twist at $30 to anyone as a beginners VV unit.
http://joyetech.com/product/details.php?gno=112
Errol
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It's a heck of a lot easier to vary the voltage to find the ideal vape for whatever the ohm rating of the atomizer you have than buying a bunch of different ohm units to find which one vapes best with your fixed voltage unit and god forbid your fixed voltage unit doesn't have a preset of 3.3 or 3.5v that you're not aware of as a beginner.
Errol
First rate vape.. I read that wrong first time around and it didnt sound good at all ha..
Is there any English review videos of it yet? I hope Busardo gives it a go..
Is there any English review videos of it yet? I hope Busardo gives it a go..
I've just gone through the noob pains and 1st week hurdles of successfully switching to vaping. I strongly believe the logic expressed by the posters of the 'vv not for 1st time buyers' is more compelling and accurate. Perhaps with the exception of the ego twist as described by Errol.
With respect, I don't feel John's arguments fully capture the realistic challenges and concerns faced by new vapers enduring their 1st week. I know John is only trying to help and has a strong view of his opinions. I just don't agree with them, that's all. I may be inexperienced but probably represent a fairly typical new vaper case study. I know what was and what was not important to me during the relevant times.
With respect, I don't feel John's arguments fully capture the realistic challenges and concerns faced by new vapers enduring their 1st week. I know John is only trying to help and has a strong view of his opinions. I just don't agree with them, that's all. I may be inexperienced but probably represent a fairly typical new vaper case study. I know what was and what was not important to me during the relevant times.
Aftet a week of vaping I knew I wanted VV.. its not that difficult to get everything in a nutshell, it took me a couple days of research here on ECF.
Some people are like that but, a lot aren't. It took me a good six weeks to figure out what nic level would work for me. That was plenty frustrating. I'm not sure I would have stuck with it, if I'd been varying voltage too.
I'm also pretty sure I wouldn't have been all that interested in plunking down $100+ for the mod then having to spend $30 to $50 for batteries and charger.
It's not if:
1) You've been smoking full priced cigarettes. A lot of us, me included, had switched to RYO before we started vaping. I was spending about $1.20/pack, or about $3.50/day or <$1300/yr. when I started vaping. A fair amount, but hardly thousands a year. A pack a day smoker would be spending far less.
2) You know it's not going to be a waste of money. I didn't know if vaping would lead to my quitting, cutting down or be totally a scam. It was a leap of faith. That $75 I spent on all the starter stuff represented nearly a months worth of cigarettes and I really couldn't afford to double my nicotine budget for that month. There was no way I was going to spend $200 on something I had no idea if it would work or not. Not everyone can afford, or wants to spend $200+ on a leap of faith, despite all the testimonials on this board.
I did offer to buy the OP's setup from him if he didn't like it. Also, if anyone were to spend just a few minutes on this site, I think they'd figure out pretty quickly that it's not a scam.
In conclusion: VV (variable voltage) > CV (constant voltage). Too many reasons to list. Newbies please take note.
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You're the exception I think. Most people aren't that good at separating the wheat from the chaff. A new vaper comes on here and they're bombarded with hype and misinformation and fanboyism. As much good info is here, there's an equal measure of all of those as well. Day after day, threads are posted by new members that essentially say the same thing - information overload. Unless you have some way of mentoring these people on a one-to-one basis, it makes no sense to do anything but introduce them to vaping in a way they'll be comfortable with and has the least intimidation factor.
I was vaping for almost 2 years before I decided a VV would be nice. It wasn't info overload. I knew what I liked. I wasn't confused about any of this. I was just happy with what I had and had I never heard of VV, I'd still be happy. Just like all the newbs who post in the new member section about how happy they are that they quit with a plain old fixed voltage PV.
The aim is to get these newbs off analogs, not to ensure them the best possible vape at any price. They'll move up to VV, or not, when they're ready and they, not us, should be the ones to decide whether a Provari or a Vmax or a Buzzpro or a LT is the unit they want to get into VV vaping with.
It's pretty darn confusing for a beginner and thank goodness some of them make it this far instead of the Mall Kiosk being their last stop. Everyone has an opinion and no single opinion is correct no matter how much experience may back it up. Many of us had to learn by trial and error, many of the errors being other people's opinions.
Errol
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Had you had some type of personal relationship with him, he may have bitten. He may have let you mentor him. I agree that VV > CV, but *Go > Volt as well. Yet look how hard it is just to persuade some newbs that they really don't need an auto battery with a light. Even if they're fully aware that some PV's are better than others, you're still fighting an uphill battle in the face of newb-to-newb recommendations. You know the archetypical progression, mini-eGo-mod-APV. There's a reason for that. If you can persuade them to jump straight to step 2, you've pulled something off, especially when they come into this forum with visions of Blu and V2 in their heads. Once they get accustomed to vaping, they'll be in a better position to choose a VV if they want to. What gives us the right to presume that our favorite VV is the one that they would choose if they only knew what they were talking about? That strikes me as rather presumptuous of us. Better to steer them toward an inexpensive unit that will serve well as a learning tool and a backup when, and if, they ever decide to go VV. Lots of people never will, and that's their prerogative too. Maybe they'll decide they'd rather spend their cash on Big Daddy Tanks for their Silver Bullet collection. Maybe they'll eventually decide they like the idea of VW instead of VV. We don't need to railroad them into what WE feel is best for them, no matter how right we are.
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It's pretty darn confusing for a beginner and thank goodness some of them make it this far instead of the Mall Kiosk being their last stop. Everyone has an opinion and no single opinion is correct no matter how much experience may back it up. Many of us had to learn by trial and error, many of the errors being other people's opinions.
Errol
I respectfully submit that it is not a matter of opinion that variable voltage devices will give a better vape than constant voltage devices in virtually all circumstances. I cordially invite anyone to provide an instance in which the opposite is true. And I am referring to quality of vape, not "suitability" to a particular individual.
CV can tie VV a small part of the time, just as a stopped clock is right twice a day. But other than when exactly the right atty and juice is used, CV cannot compete.
Amen, Brother!I
It's pretty darn confusing for a beginner and thank goodness some of them make it this far instead of the Mall Kiosk being their last stop. Everyone has an opinion and no single opinion is correct no matter how much experience may back it up. Many of us had to learn by trial and error, many of the errors being other people's opinions.
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