New video - Re-stuffing M-401 carts: up close and personal

[Terraphon]

Just an extra tip.. Q-tips work great to clean out the empty cart of juice and gunk before re-stuffing. The wetness in the cart absorbs better into the cotton than tissue or papertowel.

Spikey's right...q-tips do work better.

Unfortunately for me, I used the last of my q-tips after my shower the other day and haven't gotten to the store to buy more so I did the paper-towel trick.

For the mouthpieces, which can also get quite a bit of fluid in them, you can use q-tips as well...just work them around the sides and make sure to mop up the bottom near the air-hole.

 

[smokingclam]

Being a pipe smoker also I have tons of pipe cleaners laying around. These work well for cleaning also. You can get them through the hole in the mouth piece and fold them in half for the wider parts of the cartridge.

 

[Lemonade727]

Excellent video Terra. I've definitely learned a lot watching your videos and reviews.

 

[Terraphon]

Again, I'm glad to help.

 

[Doostin]

Great vid! I'll probably do the same, or check out the fluval (cutting strips with no threads seems appealing). Good tips about wicking too, makes sense to me!

I was going to ask how well pipe-cleaners may work with these devices, thanks for the info smokinclam!

 

[alltah]

Ok Guys, I was in my fav discount wharehouse today and they were selling quilts as seconds at £5.00 there is a lot of filling ( poly batting) in there. I have restuffed a few carts and refilled them and the results are great, the carts are working just like new. there must be a few years worth in a king size quilt !

 

[smokingclam]

Ok Guys, I was in my fav discount wharehouse today and they were selling quilts as seconds at £5.00 there is a lot of filling ( poly batting) in there. I have restuffed a few carts and refilled them and the results are great, the carts are working just like new. there must be a few years worth in a king size quilt !

Hmmmmm.......Honey can I borrow the quilt????

 

[Calaban]

Terraphon,

Thanks for the great video. I went to Walmart today and found a bag of that Poly-Fil you mentioned, came home and followed your video step by step. The results are great....my 901 seems to be smoking better than it did before....fresher taste, easier draw etc.

My only problem is trying to create the little cylinder of poly batting....my clumsy hands don't work very well and it always seems to spring back into a furry little ball. I can't seem to get it to stay put, so I just did the best I could and got it into the inner cartridge, but it was fairly untidy. I ended up using scissors to cut the frayed part at the end to keep it from sticking out, but I'm sure there's a better way.

In your video it looks quite tidy and seems to behave a little better. Any tips?

Thanks!

-Cal

 

[e-pipeman]

Just tried the Fluval, and it works brilliantly! I'm getting the flavour from my liquids much better now, even compared to using a commercially pre-filled empty cart. Cutting a small strip the same length as the original fibre works perfectly, filling the cart but not too densely. Excellent!

 

[Starlight]

I bought some 100% hi loft polyester stuffing (for toys etc) which came in a bag about the size of a small pillow. It's very thin and lightweight and soft and silky, much more so than what's in the EVO for instance and with finer filaments (if that's the right word) and has the occasional bit of thicker white stringy pieces in it which are easy to pick out.

Is this the right stuff as I don't know what "batting" is?

 

[Calaban]

I tried the polyester filling that Terraphon used, but it didn't work out too well for me. I just can't seem to get it into the right shape and STAY that way. Maybe with a bit more practice...

I instead tried washing out the filling from one of the pre-filled carts that came with my e-cig. This method worked great, and I noticed that it is a FLAT piece of polyester, not all fluffed up.

Is the Fluval flat as well? I think these clumsy fingers would have an easier time with something that was more like the original.

 

[Starlight]

I also wash the wool from pre-filled carts but I'll run out one day when they eventually wear out. So I wanted to be sure I had enough wool of some kind or other without having to buy new carts just to get the wool

The 901 that I have, has the flat style of wool and is folded into 3.

The penstyle has a sort of more solid sort of "sausage" that seems to fill the entire cart.

The EVO wool is quite different - more "open" and fluffy and fuzzy and not in any even rectangular or round or other shape, seems more similar to the polyester stuffing.

I haven't tried the polyester filling yet for vaping with and have found it a bit tricky trying to get it into a shape to fit into the cart easily. That's why I was wondering if the polyester I got was the right one or not.

I've now also ordered some Fluval which I understand is flat and much easier to use as all one has to do is cut it into the right size.

 

[Terraphon]

Terraphon,

Thanks for the great video. I went to Walmart today and found a bag of that Poly-Fil you mentioned, came home and followed your video step by step. The results are great....my 901 seems to be smoking better than it did before....fresher taste, easier draw etc.

My only problem is trying to create the little cylinder of poly batting....my clumsy hands don't work very well and it always seems to spring back into a furry little ball. I can't seem to get it to stay put, so I just did the best I could and got it into the inner cartridge, but it was fairly untidy. I ended up using scissors to cut the frayed part at the end to keep it from sticking out, but I'm sure there's a better way.

In your video it looks quite tidy and seems to behave a little better. Any tips?

Thanks!

-Cal

Cal,

Unfortunately I don't really have any tips on how to better roll it...I guess I just have nimble fingers.

I do know that it gets easier to handle, over time, as you get used to playing with the stuff.

I think the idea of giving it a "haircut" after filling the cart is great, though.

I bought some 100% hi loft polyester stuffing (for toys etc) which came in a bag about the size of a small pillow. It's very thin and lightweight and soft and silky, much more so than what's in the EVO for instance and with finer filaments (if that's the right word) and has the occasional bit of thicker white stringy pieces in it which are easy to pick out.

Is this the right stuff as I don't know what "batting" is?

Yeah, it's the same thing. I will say that the "fiber fill" / "batting" is a bit whispier, in some places, than the standard stuffing but I have no doubt it's what was used in the carts.

I tried the polyester filling that Terraphon used, but it didn't work out too well for me. I just can't seem to get it into the right shape and STAY that way. Maybe with a bit more practice...

I instead tried washing out the filling from one of the pre-filled carts that came with my e-cig. This method worked great, and I noticed that it is a FLAT piece of polyester, not all fluffed up.

Is the Fluval flat as well? I think these clumsy fingers would have an easier time with something that was more like the original.

Poly batting is also available in rolls, as opposed to the pillow that I got. I think that's the only difference.

 

[Starlight]

Thanks Terraphon. I suspect the poly filling I got might be different to others. As I said, it has really very thin, silky and soft fibres. I tried it and finally managed to get it into a suitable shape. Tried it with liquid in a cart and it just went into a small ball without wicking well at all, as if the liquid just by-passed it. So I think I shall donate the bag of it to charity!

I also received some Fluval (via eBay UK) and that seems a LOT more like the real wool which is flat in the 901 carts and consequently much easier to use.

Just for the fun of it and cos I'm a curious bunny I've ordered some of the poly filling that comes in a roll, just to compare it to the soft silky one I got. I'll report back on what it's like when I receive it.

The EVO seems to use a different sort of wool to the 901, so I'm wondering if there's a reason for it?

 

[Terraphon]

Thanks Terraphon. I suspect the poly filling I got might be different to others. As I said, it has really very thin, silky and soft fibres. I tried it and finally managed to get it into a suitable shape. Tried it with liquid in a cart and it just went into a small ball without wicking well at all, as if the liquid just by-passed it. So I think I shall donate the bag of it to charity!

I also received some Fluval (via eBay UK) and that seems a LOT more like the real wool which is flat in the 901 carts and consequently much easier to use.

Just for the fun of it and cos I'm a curious bunny I've ordered some of the poly filling that comes in a roll, just to compare it to the soft silky one I got. I'll report back on what it's like when I receive it.

The EVO seems to use a different sort of wool to the 901, so I'm wondering if there's a reason for it?

hmmm...yeah, it seems that the stuff you got must be different. The poly stuff I have doesn't do that AT ALL.

Good luck finding the right stuff...it makes all the difference in the world (I have been using the same 3 carts for over 3 weeks).

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Thanks Terraphon. I suspect the poly filling I got might be different to others. As I said, it has really very thin, silky and soft fibres. I tried it and finally managed to get it into a suitable shape. Tried it with liquid in a cart and it just went into a small ball without wicking well at all, as if the liquid just by-passed it. So I think I shall donate the bag of it to charity!

I also received some Fluval (via eBay UK) and that seems a LOT more like the real wool which is flat in the 901 carts and consequently much easier to use.

Just for the fun of it and cos I'm a curious bunny I've ordered some of the poly filling that comes in a roll, just to compare it to the soft silky one I got. I'll report back on what it's like when I receive it.

The EVO seems to use a different sort of wool to the 901, so I'm wondering if there's a reason for it?

As Terraphon pointed out in his Video--you have to fluff the batting out. If you pack the cartridge to dense, the wick is too tight and the heat will not vaporize the e-liquid. As Terraphon showed, you pull it out and form it just enough to fill the cartridge.

I have been doing this for 5 months and it is better then an original core so long as you do not pack it to tight. There are different types, but so long as you pull on it and strand the batting BEFORE you shape it into a core, it works just like Terraphon shows on the video.

It makes no difference what device you are using. Just remember to "strand" the batting out by pulling on it before you shape it into a core and do not make it too dense. As for Fluval, it is very dense and unless you really pull it out into strands, I had no luck with it. The poly batting is far easier to use--Sun

 

[sL1k]

haha no comments on the random "oo someone just got knocked the f*** out!" actually got a laugh out of that.

 

[e-pipeman]

I also received some Fluval (via eBay UK) and that seems a LOT more like the real wool which is flat in the 901 carts and consequently much easier to use.

I've only used the Fluval in penstyle carts but for these it works really well if you simply cut a piece from a sheet roughly the same width and length as the original cart filling without fluffing or rolling imho.

 

[Starlight]

As Terraphon pointed out in his Video--you have to fluff the batting out. If you pack the cartridge to dense, the wick is too tight and the heat will not vaporize the e-liquid.

I did, exactly as he showed and exactly as you said too... but whatever I ended up with as poly wadding/batting didn't work. It just seems to shrivel into a little ball once inserted and filled with liquid and smoked.

The Fluval works fine and, as e-pipeman said, without need to fluff it out although one can also fluff it out and it'll still work.

I today received the poly wadding on a roll (supposedly for "upholstery" and quilting), and it's very similar to the Fluval in that it's a flat sheet except it's thinner and less compacted and a lot more of it as it's a much bigger sheet. The fibres are also much more similar to the normal wool and nothing like the super-soft super-fine silky fibres I got in the "hi-loft" poly stuffing for toys - this, by the way, also had thick strips of white crimped bit mixed in with it, which I would think one would need to remove and not use for filling carts.

So I still think that the silky poly wadding for toys I first got isn't the right kind at all but I'll happily stand corrected if it's the right stuff after all (see attachments), and maybe I'm just not capable of using it properly despite Terraphon's excellent video tutorial.

If it helps at all and for the sake of comparison, below are some images from eBay UK for both the poly filling for toys (the fluffy stuff) and the poly wadding for quilting (the stuff in a sheet) and for the Fluval. The wadding for quilts seems to come in different thicknesses too. The term "batting" seems to be US English and in the UK seems to apply for the wadding for quilts from what I can tell but I might be wrong, apparently it's also known as "white Dacron". The Fluval pads are tiny by comparison to the poly wadding, only a few inches wide and long.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I today received the poly wadding on a roll (supposedly for "upholstery" and quilting), and it's very similar to the Fluval in that it's a flat sheet except it's thinner and less compacted and a lot more of it as it's a much bigger sheet. The fibres are also much more similar to the normal wool and nothing like the super-soft super-fine silky fibres I got in the "hi-loft" poly stuffing for toys - this, by the way, also had thick strips of white crimped bit mixed in with it, which I would think one would need to remove and not use for filling carts.
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Starlight--Your photo number 2 showing the roll poly batting is the winner--you should have no issues with that one---Sun