Newb Question: Is throat hit directly tied to Nicotine Strength?

[neilyo]

Background: Ive been vaping for about a month. (I do have some prior experience vaping 2 years ago - stuck with it for about 6 months.) I had always stuck to the juices supplied by the manufacturer of my ecig prior. Now I am venturing forth and purchasing some flavors from a couple of different suppliers. The juice that comes from my current Ecig is 100% PG 16mg Nic Strength. After spending some time here I noticed, I may have a slight PG allergy as described in some of these threads.

The Question: Im hoping for more vapor,so I am ordering some VG juices, however my goal is to gradually step down in Nicotine strength till hopefully i no longer need Nicotine at all. So for now, in essence, I want MORE Vapor and at least as much throat hit as my PG juice. Does that mean I should NOT step down in Nicotine Strength yet?

 

[XensJenn]

The more VG, the less throat hit. I get 0 throat hit off 100% VG. I would try a PG/VG mix, that should fix you up if it the allergy is only slight.

 

[berto7987]

Throat hit or TH takes a lot of things into consideration. 1. Nicotine: the higher % the more TH. 2. PG: This element definitely adds more TH than VG. 3. Voltage: Though this is not the #1 solution, getting a device that can produce 5 or 6v will give the user more punch and warmth out of experience. If you haven't done so already, try using Low Resistance atomizers with your lower voltage devices (3.7v). LR will give an experience similar to 6v without having to buy a new device and batteries. Personally, my vape of choice is 50/50 pg,vg mix with a 3.7v device at LR. I have a little irritation to PG but with a 50/50 mix, the irritation is gone. If 50/50 doesn't fix your allergies, try lower mixes of PG. The truth is that you will not get the desired TH without some PG in the mix (my opinion). Good luck and keep vaping.

Also, thevaporpro.com has something called Throat Hit Plus. It really does work for a lot of people and this may be the simplest solution to lowering nicotine without loosing TH. Here's a link to the product:
THROAT HIT PLUS

 

[jifjifjif]

Good advice, Berto. Ditto that.

 

[STLBluesNut]

I like th from menthol. If you like fruity or beverage flavors, id recommend mixing it 50/50 with some menthol juice. I just have found most flavors to be lacking in the th department, so I mix.

 

[berto7987]

I like th from menthol. If you like fruity or beverage flavors, id recommend mixing it 50/50 with some menthol juice. I just have found most flavors to be lacking in the th department, so I mix.

Mixing your own juice is definitely the way to go as far as experiementing with different mixes and flavors. Watch some youtube videos to get an idea of what you should do. Search DIY eliquid mixing (or something similar)

 

[DaveP]

An alcohol additive (grain alcohol) and/or a pepper flavoring will add throat hit. PG is blamed for throat hit and irritation, but it depends on what hardware you vape it on. I don't care for some juices on a Riva (3.7v) and some are bland on an Ego (3.4v). The right hardware combo with the right juice makes a huge difference.

You might try 70pg/30vg or 50/50 to see if that suits your taste. Some juice vendors allow you to specify the mix when you buy. I'd experiment.

 

[Sedateme]

For me, it's more dependent on the particular juice, and what you are using (atomizer, cartomizer, ce2, etc). I've got PG-heavy juice that has 0 throat hit at 18mg nic unless I put it in a DC carto and blast 5+ volts through it. I've got VG-heavy juice that will kick you in the throat at 18mg nic no matter what carto/atty I use at 3.2V.

 

[dormouse]

Nicotine is TH
Heat can enhance it
VG dulls TH and flavor

Other than that, some flavors have throat sensations (mint, menthol, spices, some liquor flavors) and there are TH additives like pepper eliquid, capsacin additive, QHit from Flavourart, some other TH thing from Vapornine



You are in the US where there are dozens of juice makers. You don't have to use 100% PG or 100% VG. Most people use blends. Even 10% VG adds vapor, 20% adds more, 30% adds quite a bit.

I lowered my nic in steps from 18 to 4mg. I'm using 80PG/20VG and in some cases less VG juices which I find work great in my cartomizers, even on my slim minis.

 

[Mindfield]

lso, thevaporpro.com has something called Throat Hit Plus. It really does work for a lot of people and this may be the simplest solution to lowering nicotine without loosing TH. Here's a link to the product:
THROAT HIT PLUS

I've tried and reviewed this. It did absolutely nothing unless you use it in ridiculous quantities (like, 50%), and even then it was seriously weak. I've even vaped it straight and got nothing from it but the taste of PGA and maybe just faint hint of capsaicin. It seems to rely primarily on PGA for its "throat hit," which I place in quotes because it seems as though what some people call throat hit (any sensation in the throat) is not what I think most of us call throat hit (that brief but strong feeling of tension or a kind of "hit" in the throat/top of the lungs specifically from nicotine). There was a warming feeling, of course, which PGA will give you, but this is not, in my estimation, throat hit, nor is the feeling you get from menthol or cinnamon. Pepper will give throat hit, but it's different from nicotine -- much sharper, more brief, and for me, rather unpleasant.

 

[pwmeek]

I take it that TH is not the same as the nicotine 'rush' I used to get from that first hit off a conventional cigarette. I'm new here; can someone point me to a thread where this is discussed? I miss that, and even during the two years where I used snus almost exclusively, I occasionally would bum a hit from someone smoking, just for that jolt.

 

[neilyo]

Thanks the throat hit plus idea. Something I definitely I will try. In fact I might just buy a bit of it to have on hand. I am still trying various suppliers to find out what I like.

 

[dormouse]

No - with cigarettes, the rush was the carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide and 4000 chemicals you were inhaling instead of oxygen.

 

[wv2win]

An alcohol additive (grain alcohol) and/or a pepper flavoring will add throat hit..........

I must COMPELETELY disagree with this advice.

As several have already mentioned, TH is mostly the strength of the nicotine and the warmth of the vapor either through a better battery model (more consistent) or through LR attys/cartos. More PG also helps. Additives provide nothing but some throat 'irritation" which is NOT good or true throat hit. If a user doesn't really care for or want much TH, then adusting the PG level should help a little with a lower nic level liquid.

 

[pwmeek]

No - with cigarettes, the rush was the carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide and 4000 chemicals you were inhaling instead of oxygen.

I never got anything like that rush from smoking other plant material (corn silk, other weed leaves, and I'm not talking about MJ). I doubt that the additives in commercial tobacco do much, either. They may very well be bad for you, but I do not think they are responsible for the sudden rush of clarity that nicotine gives.

Nicotine is picked up by the mucus membranes in the mouth and throat, and the permeable membranes in the lungs VERY quickly and transferred into the blood-stream almost immediately. That sudden infusion of the alkaloid into the blood stream and almost immediately to the brain produces the rush. The vapor from an e-cig contains nicotine, but (perhaps because it is disolved in an oily liquid like PG or VG) it does not seem to be picked up rapidly enough to cause that rush.

There must be a topic that discusses this effect; I just haven't found it yet.

 

[wv2win]

I never got anything like that rush from smoking other plant material (corn silk, other weed leaves, and I'm not talking about MJ). I doubt that the additives in commercial tobacco do much, either. They may very well be bad for you, but I do not think they are responsible for the sudden rush of clarity that nicotine gives.

Nicotine is picked up by the mucus membranes in the mouth and throat, and the permeable membranes in the lungs VERY quickly and transferred into the blood-stream almost immediately. That sudden infusion of the alkaloid into the blood stream and almost immediately to the brain produces the rush. The vapor from an e-cig contains nicotine, but (perhaps because it is disolved in an oily liquid like PG or VG) it does not seem to be picked up rapidly enough to cause that rush.

There must be a topic that discusses this effect; I just haven't found it yet.

Vaping is MUCH less efficient in getting nicotine into your system than smoking. It's why many vape 36mg nicotine strength eliquid. They may be getting half that amount in reality.

 

[craftylady6]

Mixing your own juice is definitely the way to go as far as experiementing with different mixes and flavors. Watch some youtube videos to get an idea of what you should do. Search DIY eliquid mixing (or something similar)

I was wondering about this as well. I have the same intensions of cutting down on nicotine strenght too. Go slow! I went too fast and end up buying a pack of cigs. There is MAJOR brain chemistry related to nicotine addiction. Check out wiki for nicotine addiction or nicotine effects. very interesting

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I must COMPELETELY disagree with this advice.

As several have already mentioned, TH is mostly the strength of the nicotine and the warmth of the vapor either through a better battery model (more consistent) or through LR attys/cartos. More PG also helps. Additives provide nothing but some throat 'irritation" which is NOT good or true throat hit. If a user doesn't really care for or want much TH, then adusting the PG level should help a little with a lower nic level liquid.

Agree completely. Recently added some distilled water and some would say it increases the TH. I would say it increased throat irritation. Good thing I'm my own guinea pig
Luckily was able to fiddle with the mix and bring it back to normal. EXACT amounts of any substance is extremely important for DIY.

 

[USA251]

I experimented with vodka as a thinner for the vg liquid I was using. It appeared to irritate my throat than give me a hit