I consider myself pretty good at researching consumer products on the web, however, I'm totally at sea when it comes to researching electronic cigarettes. So here I am. It seems there are hundreds of brands and it is very difficult to determine which are most reputable, popular, highly rated, etc. Any advice or guidance would me much appreciated. In the meantime, I'll be hanging out and reading the forum. Thanks.
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Junior...if you aren't quite ready to tackle a "mod" (modified e-cigarette or PV) which tend to be more expensive and large...you might want to consider getting your launch with Smokeless Image | Only The Best Electronic Cigarette | Electronic Cigarettes | Wholesale Electronic Cigarettes | E-Cigarette | Best Electronic Cigarette | Electronic Cigarette They have nice and decent priced starter kits, plus all the accessories (cartomizers, juice, tanks, end cap & other spare parts, larger mAh batteries, colors, chargers, power packs, lanyards, etc. etc.) They have about the best customer service around in the e-cigarette industry excellent products and very good prices. And you really can't go wrong, imho...especially when starting out. You get get more information by going to the main forum here at ECF and scrolling down to "suppliers" then look for Smokeless Image. Many people in that sub-forum that will be only too happy to answer any questions.
Greetings from Canada! Welcome to ECF!
The list posted is just for mods (Advanced e-cigs) and not up to date.
I suggest you shop around for the Twist ($20) and also the Mini Vivi Nova (2.0ml)($10-15). They are a good starting point and you can use them as your backup if you get something else later. The ProVari is a reasonable quality, mid priced PV ($200). The best quality pv's are European but the price reflects this as well ($600).
To start with, the Chinese e-cigs (Twist and Nova) will be fine and low priced. The Twist has variable voltage so you can adjust it to fine tune whatever you are using. Juice is a personal decision. Be adventurous, order many small bottles until you find what you prefer.
Relax, Enjoy!
Edit: Second fourthrok comment. You will need 5 posts before you can post in another Forum. Say Hi to some New Comers or tell us more about what you would like.
The list posted is just for mods (Advanced e-cigs) and not up to date.
I suggest you shop around for the Twist ($20) and also the Mini Vivi Nova (2.0ml)($10-15). They are a good starting point and you can use them as your backup if you get something else later. The ProVari is a reasonable quality, mid priced PV ($200). The best quality pv's are European but the price reflects this as well ($600).
To start with, the Chinese e-cigs (Twist and Nova) will be fine and low priced. The Twist has variable voltage so you can adjust it to fine tune whatever you are using. Juice is a personal decision. Be adventurous, order many small bottles until you find what you prefer.
Relax, Enjoy!
Edit: Second fourthrok comment. You will need 5 posts before you can post in another Forum. Say Hi to some New Comers or tell us more about what you would like.
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Simple and good all day. KGO 1100 mah battery KGO kit1100mAh by SLB and pick up a few extra clearomizers at Vision eGo CE4+ Clearomizer - V2 - Blue (LR) and get urself some juice at The Best eJuice - VapeDudes.com - Hand-Crafted Gourmet & Organic - 100% USA Ingredients .
This is where I ended up after a couple of months of searching, love the set up. Simple and good performance.
This is where I ended up after a couple of months of searching, love the set up. Simple and good performance.
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lavatube is great starting place there cheap variable voltage and big battery so last along time without charging if you start with an ego style your gonna buy a bigger pv a few weeksw or months later check em out you cant go wrong for 50 bucks
Hi. Welcome.
Don't start at the wrong end of things. If you put a question out there like "What's the best..." you are going to get a boat load of answers - most of which won't have anything to do with you. What I mean by that is you have to figure out what your needs and wants are, and then start asking about what fits. For example: some folks can not and will not get past the "must look like a cigarette" issue. And that's fine. Then they will get answers on the pro's and con's of the cig-a-like models. I just recently saw someone else on the board whose first PV had to be in pink. Might not be a priority for you but it was for her.
Things that will come into play in narrowing down what to consider are: How much do you smoke now? A 1/2 PAD smoker usually won't need long battery run times when switching to vaping. What we suggest for a 3 PAD smoker is gonna be a whole 'nother matter. What kind of convenience do you need? Are you in a fixed place a lot? (Easy access to a charger.) In your car a lot? (Need a charger for that.) Or where you don't have access to a place to charge batteries at all for long periods of time? (Need a larger supply of batteries.) Do you have a budget number in mind for jumping in?
Take a look at hardware sites, see what's out there. And at the same time start working up your wish list. What do you see that you like? And for your life style what do you need? You will get better info and feel less overwhelmed if you can shoot us some links to things you see that you like. We can help you figure out the good and the bad from there.
Don't start at the wrong end of things. If you put a question out there like "What's the best..." you are going to get a boat load of answers - most of which won't have anything to do with you. What I mean by that is you have to figure out what your needs and wants are, and then start asking about what fits. For example: some folks can not and will not get past the "must look like a cigarette" issue. And that's fine. Then they will get answers on the pro's and con's of the cig-a-like models. I just recently saw someone else on the board whose first PV had to be in pink. Might not be a priority for you but it was for her.
Things that will come into play in narrowing down what to consider are: How much do you smoke now? A 1/2 PAD smoker usually won't need long battery run times when switching to vaping. What we suggest for a 3 PAD smoker is gonna be a whole 'nother matter. What kind of convenience do you need? Are you in a fixed place a lot? (Easy access to a charger.) In your car a lot? (Need a charger for that.) Or where you don't have access to a place to charge batteries at all for long periods of time? (Need a larger supply of batteries.) Do you have a budget number in mind for jumping in?
Take a look at hardware sites, see what's out there. And at the same time start working up your wish list. What do you see that you like? And for your life style what do you need? You will get better info and feel less overwhelmed if you can shoot us some links to things you see that you like. We can help you figure out the good and the bad from there.
Simple, click on the link in my signature and read up. If there's a question you have that is not on the list, PM me and I will answer it. If it is worthy I will add it to the Vaper's Handbook.
Edit: You have to get your post count up to where you can get out of the new members forum to read it though. Get to saying hi to people.
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'Sup, Uke?
I looked at the site you linked and the funny part is that practically everything on it if 5 stars and reviews made by fanboys. That's not really helpful. I also want to point out that the most obvious e-cigs aren't on there (eGo Twist, KGO-VV, etc.). It's clearly a REALLY old site (yes 2 years is ancient in the ecig world
). They review "cartridges" PVs. What's a cartridge? Does anyone actually USE cartridges any more? I'm not blaming you I'm just letting you know that you might want to get a new site, because that one is showing its age, big time. Tym 4 upgrayd. Try YouTube. Not only do you get to see the things in action you can get a nice review if you know where to look (start with GrimmGreen or PBusardo).
I started with the KGO almost 7 months ago. When I got the eGo Twist a while back I realized how messed up the air intakes on the KGO are. Especially with that Stardust you have on it. It's like sucking on a McDonald's milkshake without a king sized straw. The difference of that clearomizer on an actual eGo is night and day (but I still hate the Stardust). When I cleaned the juice well out on one with a paper clip I broke it and had to write a guide on how to fix it. I hear the reliability has gotten even worse on it in recent times.
They're not the worst thing on the market but, in this day and age (and for a similar price), it's all about the (official as in not a knockoff) Joyetech eGo C Twist for beginners. The KGO does have one thing going for them, they are true 4.2v devices. Under load they still push more than 4v but, in my experience, that's where the awesome ends.
I think there is enough good info in here as far as hardware goes, but with respect to juices, my main stop is a site called kickbassvapor.com and they even have a thread here on ecf. I've been using their juice for quite a while now and love it. Like someone already posted, when buying any flavors from new sites, go small at first until you find a hit. You'll be suprised at the good amount of great vendors with excellent juice.
Good point. I generally only use tobacco at my computer in the mornings--at the start of my day--and in the evenings--just before going to bed. I don't care what the hardware LOOKS like..at all. I just want something that works well and is reliable and economical.
Good point. I generally only use tobacco at my computer in the mornings--at the start of my day--and in the evenings--just before going to bed. I don't care what the hardware LOOKS like..at all. I just want something that works well and is reliable and economical.
Keith - ShogaNinja has it right. The Joyetech eGo-C Twist is the number one no-brainer in the vaposphere right now. Slam dunk. Not the best "APV" in the world, but the most sensible one to start with IMO. I have a lot of stuff, and around my neck right now is a Joyetech eGo-C Twist 650mah battery fitted with a (stock) Vivi Nova 3.5ml version 2.5 tank/atomizer. I use it more, and like it more, than my Smoktech VMax and a whoe bunch of other stuff. For one thing, you don't have to enter desired voltage (or now, wattage thanks to the Smoktech ZMax) into a menu system; you just "twist" the know on the bottom for more or less current, meaning higher or lower watts at the coil.
PLEASE read this thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/333666-wanted-say-howdy-ask-help.html
It says it all. So does this video review from Grimm Green:
THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer
Another very favorable review from PBusardo:
A PBusardo Review - eGo Twist - OvaleUSA - YouTube Phil Busardo Twist review
Joyetech eGo-C Twist: Joye eGo-C Twist Variable Voltage 650mAh Battery
How to change out your Vivi Nova tank - YouTube Vivi Nova tank - Filling, changing heads 1:38
GotVapes VISION ViVi NOVA 3.5ml V2.5 REBUILDABLE TANK [gv-VIVINOVA-TANKV2.5] - $12.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more GotVapes - Vivi Nova tank - $13.95
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/320973-first-post-thanks-all-posters-2.html
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I encourage you to just vape on what I'm vaping on as you explore ALLLLLLLLL of the other options. This one's pretty damn good, or I suppose I'd be vaping on something else right now.
PLEASE read this thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/333666-wanted-say-howdy-ask-help.html
It says it all. So does this video review from Grimm Green:
THE EGO TWIST IS A GAME CHANGER - YouTube Grimm Green Twist Game changer
Another very favorable review from PBusardo:
A PBusardo Review - eGo Twist - OvaleUSA - YouTube Phil Busardo Twist review
Joyetech eGo-C Twist: Joye eGo-C Twist Variable Voltage 650mAh Battery
How to change out your Vivi Nova tank - YouTube Vivi Nova tank - Filling, changing heads 1:38
GotVapes VISION ViVi NOVA 3.5ml V2.5 REBUILDABLE TANK [gv-VIVINOVA-TANKV2.5] - $12.95 : GotVapes.com, E-cigarette Supplies - Atomizers Cartomizers Mods Juice and more GotVapes - Vivi Nova tank - $13.95
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/320973-first-post-thanks-all-posters-2.html
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I encourage you to just vape on what I'm vaping on as you explore ALLLLLLLLL of the other options. This one's pretty damn good, or I suppose I'd be vaping on something else right now.
Hi Keith,
First of all congratulations for deciding to switch to electronic cigarettes.
To find a reliable company to buy electronic cigarettes from online doesn't take much effort. Probably an hour of research and reading up on some peer reviews. But it's well worth the time. After all, you could be risking your health if you end up choosing the cheap, low quality e-cig brands.
I'm going to suggest the basic electronic cigarettes brands (not the mod or PV) that look like an actual cigarette. I have tried almost every e-cigarette brand out there, so I can tell you exactly which ones are safe to buy from. Of course this is just a friendly advice, so please do your own research before you buy.
Here is my top 6 list:
GreenSmoke.com
V2Cigs.com
SouthBeachSmoke.com
EverSmoke.com
BluCigs.com
TheSafeCig.com
If you're looking for a company that offers Made-in-USA e-juice, then Blu Cigs is a good choice. Though, be warned that Blu Cigs does have a bad reputation among serious smokers. But for beginners, it will do just fine.
Hope this helps you!
First of all congratulations for deciding to switch to electronic cigarettes.
To find a reliable company to buy electronic cigarettes from online doesn't take much effort. Probably an hour of research and reading up on some peer reviews. But it's well worth the time. After all, you could be risking your health if you end up choosing the cheap, low quality e-cig brands.
I'm going to suggest the basic electronic cigarettes brands (not the mod or PV) that look like an actual cigarette. I have tried almost every e-cigarette brand out there, so I can tell you exactly which ones are safe to buy from. Of course this is just a friendly advice, so please do your own research before you buy.
Here is my top 6 list:
GreenSmoke.com
V2Cigs.com
SouthBeachSmoke.com
EverSmoke.com
BluCigs.com
TheSafeCig.com
If you're looking for a company that offers Made-in-USA e-juice, then Blu Cigs is a good choice. Though, be warned that Blu Cigs does have a bad reputation among serious smokers. But for beginners, it will do just fine.
Hope this helps you!
wow, I missed this blog Shoga, it's fantastic blog congrats and kudos on excellence....
ER, Greensmoke is a bust! It was the first site that came up when i first heard about ecigs, and like a LOT of vapers I was sorry I wasted my hundred plus $ on their kit.
For starters, the main issue is that the batt lasts about an hour or two, and takes 4 to 5 hours to charge... ridiculous. My kit came with 2 batts, no help there when you do the math.
'Sup, Uke?
I looked at the site you linked and the funny part is that practically everything on it if 5 stars and reviews made by fanboys. That's not really helpful. I also want to point out that the most obvious e-cigs aren't on there (eGo Twist, KGO-VV, etc.). It's clearly a REALLY old site (yes 2 years is ancient in the ecig world
I'm not blaming you I'm just letting you know that you might want to get a new site, because that one is showing its age, big time. Tym 4 upgrayd. Try YouTube. Not only do you get to see the things in action you can get a nice review if you know where to look (start with GrimmGreen or PBusardo).
ER, Greensmoke is a bust! It was the first site that came up when i first heard about ecigs, and like a LOT of vapers I was sorry I wasted my hundred plus $ on their kit.
For starters, the main issue is that the batt lasts about an hour or two, and takes 4 to 5 hours to charge... ridiculous. My kit came with 2 batts, no help there when you do the math.
L'fox -
The OP just said "I don't care what the hardware LOOKS like..at all. I just want something that works well and is reliable and economical".
I think it's indisputable that something like the Joyetech EgO-C Twist - or now, the kGo VV - fitted with a Vivi Nova, or a DCT tank with a 3 ohm carto, or one of a host of very good attachments - will blow away any of those recommendations on virtually any of his stated wants or any other criterion, with the exception of "ciggie-look-alikeness", which wasn't even one of his stated wants.
In short, I'd like to know your rationale for suggesting what you just did.
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From a post of mine in a galaxy far, far away ....
"I think it's safe to say that the more a PV (Personal Vaporizer - as opposed to, I suppose, an impersonal vaporizer?) looks like a cigarette, the worse it performs (battery life, the ability to use attachments that will give you better flavor, more convenience (like less fiddling with cartridges and refilling thereof), and lack of variable voltage), which in my opinion is a critical part of achieving an optimum vape.
With that in mind, how important is it to you on a scale of 1-10 - with ten being of paramount importance - to have your PV look as much as possible like the things that are presently killing you?
If you can get past the look-alike thing, your vape will (IMO) be better, and (IMO) your chances of getting ciggies out of your life will improve.
I particularly like the $22 Joyetech eGo-C Twist 650mah (variable voltage eGo-class battery) fitted with a Vivi Nova tank/atomizer, which is what I'm vaping on right now.
The Volt is arguably the best of the look-alikes, and performs very well for what it is; a constant-voltage device with a relatively small battery. That said, the setup I'm using right now gives a better vape, and costs about the same, or less".
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So again, I'm wondering about the rationale for recommending ciggie-look-alikes to someone who doesn't care what his gear looks like. "Pointed question"? Absolutely. But this is serious business. People are dying. Over 400,000 Americans died from smoking last year. Eighty times the death rate per year of Vietnam. Beginners need the best weapons that it is feasible to equip them with, and IMO that ain't any of the things on your list. Not even close.
I've been told - no, make that admonished - not to comment on the suggestions of others, but I choose to comment on yours and ones like them, since lives are in the balance, and that IMO trumps fine sensibilities, or an unwillingness to have a civil discussion of vaping options and the rationale for one's recommendations based on science, logic, and reason. If we can't do that here, I'll accept a banning gladly, and fight the fight elsewhere.
The OP just said "I don't care what the hardware LOOKS like..at all. I just want something that works well and is reliable and economical".
I think it's indisputable that something like the Joyetech EgO-C Twist - or now, the kGo VV - fitted with a Vivi Nova, or a DCT tank with a 3 ohm carto, or one of a host of very good attachments - will blow away any of those recommendations on virtually any of his stated wants or any other criterion, with the exception of "ciggie-look-alikeness", which wasn't even one of his stated wants.
In short, I'd like to know your rationale for suggesting what you just did.
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From a post of mine in a galaxy far, far away ....
"I think it's safe to say that the more a PV (Personal Vaporizer - as opposed to, I suppose, an impersonal vaporizer?) looks like a cigarette, the worse it performs (battery life, the ability to use attachments that will give you better flavor, more convenience (like less fiddling with cartridges and refilling thereof), and lack of variable voltage), which in my opinion is a critical part of achieving an optimum vape.
With that in mind, how important is it to you on a scale of 1-10 - with ten being of paramount importance - to have your PV look as much as possible like the things that are presently killing you?
If you can get past the look-alike thing, your vape will (IMO) be better, and (IMO) your chances of getting ciggies out of your life will improve.
I particularly like the $22 Joyetech eGo-C Twist 650mah (variable voltage eGo-class battery) fitted with a Vivi Nova tank/atomizer, which is what I'm vaping on right now.
The Volt is arguably the best of the look-alikes, and performs very well for what it is; a constant-voltage device with a relatively small battery. That said, the setup I'm using right now gives a better vape, and costs about the same, or less".
*****
So again, I'm wondering about the rationale for recommending ciggie-look-alikes to someone who doesn't care what his gear looks like. "Pointed question"? Absolutely. But this is serious business. People are dying. Over 400,000 Americans died from smoking last year. Eighty times the death rate per year of Vietnam. Beginners need the best weapons that it is feasible to equip them with, and IMO that ain't any of the things on your list. Not even close.
I've been told - no, make that admonished - not to comment on the suggestions of others, but I choose to comment on yours and ones like them, since lives are in the balance, and that IMO trumps fine sensibilities, or an unwillingness to have a civil discussion of vaping options and the rationale for one's recommendations based on science, logic, and reason. If we can't do that here, I'll accept a banning gladly, and fight the fight elsewhere.
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Twist on sale until Sun. 650 mah= $18 and 1000 mah= $20. Realize the 1000 mah is 5" long without the cartomizer on it. 650 is 3" long. For the amount you smoke 2 X 650's should be fine.
Ego-C Twist | Virgin Vapor | Electronic Cigarette Organic e-Liquid | Electronic Cigarettes
As for the Kgo VV don't buy it until they've resolved the flakey button issue.
Normally I would say get the Kgo 3.7 volt non VV BUT at this price it's a great deal because eventually you'll be curious about VV- it's a natural progression. The Twist fires from 3.3 to 4.8 and the sweet spot for most vapers is 4.2- 4.5. Kgo Starter Kit goes for about $45-$50 and a Twist Kit would be just a touch more.
P.S. I am NOT a Twist fanboy but at these prices they can't be ignored...I bought a couple today
On top of the above order you'd need:
one atomizer- good for testing juices and easy to clean if the juice is foul tasting
One Wall adapter
One USB Cord
Either cartomizers or a Mini Vivi Nova. Here's a great prices and comes with 3 diff ohm heads with which you can dial the Twist voltage up or down:
$8.95
2.0ml clear tank
1.8ohm Coil Head
2.4ohm Coil Head
2.8ohm Coil Head
http://www.electronicstix.com/ViViNova2ML.html
For juice and hardware deals:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward-pif/85781-deals-steals-887.html
Ego-C Twist | Virgin Vapor | Electronic Cigarette Organic e-Liquid | Electronic Cigarettes
As for the Kgo VV don't buy it until they've resolved the flakey button issue.
Normally I would say get the Kgo 3.7 volt non VV BUT at this price it's a great deal because eventually you'll be curious about VV- it's a natural progression. The Twist fires from 3.3 to 4.8 and the sweet spot for most vapers is 4.2- 4.5. Kgo Starter Kit goes for about $45-$50 and a Twist Kit would be just a touch more.
P.S. I am NOT a Twist fanboy but at these prices they can't be ignored...I bought a couple today
On top of the above order you'd need:
one atomizer- good for testing juices and easy to clean if the juice is foul tasting
One Wall adapter
One USB Cord
Either cartomizers or a Mini Vivi Nova. Here's a great prices and comes with 3 diff ohm heads with which you can dial the Twist voltage up or down:
$8.95
2.0ml clear tank
1.8ohm Coil Head
2.4ohm Coil Head
2.8ohm Coil Head
http://www.electronicstix.com/ViViNova2ML.html
For juice and hardware deals:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward-pif/85781-deals-steals-887.html
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when i think of the Twist for less than $20, and your accesories would be a few bucks for a good carto and some juice, compared to a Greensmoke kit for over $100 (the agony of waiting for it to recharge for hours and hours, and then vaping for an hour)... it's UNBELIEVABLE... still makes me mad. No comparison -- they prey on your ignorance, your addiction, your need to stop smoking.
Whatever you decide OP, I recommend getting a back up... back ups; for everything... device, batts, chargers, cartos, atomizers (whichever you use) and juice.
Whatever you decide OP, I recommend getting a back up... back ups; for everything... device, batts, chargers, cartos, atomizers (whichever you use) and juice.
That is a fantastic deal on the Twist ($18 for the 650mah, which is what I use and like - the 1000mah is too damn long IMO), and they have an equally great deal on the Vivi Nova 3.5ml version 2.5 - $12 bucks, as opposed to the usual $14 or so. The "Co-op" price is about ten bucks, and with a co-op delivery isn't guaranteed, and warranty is non-existent.
I'm going to jump on this one myself, as I have a lot of people to get off of ciggies, and this setup is, as I say at the risk of repeating myself, is a virtual no-brainer.
And for a few dollars more, I can't help but recommend the Twist over the (constant voltage) kGo. I just can't find a rationale any more for recommending fixed voltage, except in cases where a particular person MUST have a look-alike AND understands the inherent sacrifices of going that route.
I saw PBusardo's review of the VV kGo, and am wondering if the button stops working altogether (doubtful I'd think), or is just annoying. I think they were "too clever by half" in designing that rubbery atrocity in order to solve a "problem" that might not quite exist; buttons fouled by e-liquid. And not being able to charge them at the top, and using an unconventional USB connection .... hmmmmm. I'd like to see them sort it out of course; I'm not "married" to the Twist ... we're just going steady. LOL
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