Hi Tallc, in the pics you have supplied it appears that there are a few Joye branded products, and some non Joye as well. With that said, do all the products perform the same duty and functions? Where they all the exact same price? If you specified you would like to purchase Joye and where sold Joye and paid Joye pricing then you likely have Joye equipment. As far as the non labeled equipment it probably is not joyetech equipment unless it is older . There is currently a thing happening with genuine joyetech where they are trying to limit the number of "Authorized" resellers in which may be the root cause of why some of your equipment may not be the "real deal". The many different manufacturers who build this equipment dont hold intellectual property to much of any standards. There are many good "fake" suppliers but they are most often less expensive as well. Heres a list of all distributors for Joye.......Joyetech brand offline electronic cigarette shops . These are the folks allowed to sell it under legitimate liscense from Joyetech BUT they may sell to smaller mom and pop operations who bring it to your local area as well. In the grand scheme of things you paid market value for your equipment , especially considering you have a store you can walk into to have issues addressed. Just to clarify a something else... Most vapers agree that 100mAh will last the average vaper about 1 hour. You could have 180-220mAh kits depending on their production dates. This most certainly won't be the only equipment you will want to purchase so make the best of it. I really dont think anyone who sold you your equipment is trying to fool you nor take advantage of you. Most vendors that I know are here to help. Good Luck. Happy vaping.
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While it is entirely possible that you didn't get the Joye, it would not be unusual to have different packaging, etc. Most e-cigs, and e-liquids for that matter, come from China. Some are "re-branded" with a different name, but are still Joye (or SmokTech, Boge, etc) with different names attached to them. I order quite a bit from the larger distributors and when I am placing a smaller order ($500 or less) I often get fancier packaging, but when I am purchasing in larg bulk, the packaging is very plain, white boxes. This probably saves them money (and me) and seems to be standard with Boge, and Joye.
That being said, if you are uncertain you should speak with the shop owner. Trust in a store is very important and if they have betrayed that trust - move on- but do let them know why. Maybe it will help them change their business strategies. I am sure you woudl prefer a customer coming to you with a complaint (that you may be able to fix or explain) rather than just ceasing to do business with you and no longer recommending them to others.
Best of luck.
That being said, if you are uncertain you should speak with the shop owner. Trust in a store is very important and if they have betrayed that trust - move on- but do let them know why. Maybe it will help them change their business strategies. I am sure you woudl prefer a customer coming to you with a complaint (that you may be able to fix or explain) rather than just ceasing to do business with you and no longer recommending them to others.
Best of luck.
And WHAT is this forum RUMOR you are speaking of?
Does NOT mean i am planning on selling them.. But if history repeats for me... I got a bit ...... at terrible customer service concerning a HIGH DOLLAR built in BBQ grill i recommended to a customer of mine, and had a dealer install in conjuction with a complete outdoor audio system that we were building.. That turned out to be a disaster for both him and me, he overcharged, screwed up, and did not correct in a timely manner, made myself look bad in the process.. 2 months later, and almost $65K later, i was a distributor to jobbers for 4 of the highest end grills on the market.. Now i bypass the middle man who doesnt have a clue, get good pricing for my customers, and a installer who takes care of them.. Not to mention a successsful 2nd company.. I wouldnt dream of dropping that kind of dough on ecigs, but i could and would do a min. order if pushed into a corner
That there's a minimum of 5000 units (maybe 10,000, I forget) and they do have a MAP so your eGo-C kits would be $79 just like everyone else's. The best you can do for pricing is offer things like free shipping and possibly free upgrades.
Hi, tallc, and welcome to the ECF. Why don't you post this in the Reviews of Suppliers - Negative sub-forum? At least, there, the vendor can answer and potentially clarify the issue.
very very familiar with MAP, we import TV's from china, speakers from Sweden, and amps from Germany.. We know how to maximize for the customers benefit.. After all, we are here for the customer, not the competitor ripping off the customer.. and the min. order is 5000 for dist. but they can be bought direct locally way under the 5k and shipped as well, believe me ive already checked, that is a benefit of already having suppliers in china, we would just freight forward with our existing import. But thats to be decided at a later date.. If its something we decide on doing, will just use one of our existing lease spaces, and open up for business..
The only reason i didnt yet, as i was hoping to get clarity on here FIRST before i made a accusation.. That is why i havnt made the name public as well.. One guy up there was just cool as all hell, and i really liked him.. If i had a opening, i could easily make him outside sales guy for me in the home theater world. He made me feel like i was a customer, the other 2 seemed like they had more important things to do, and couldnt wait to get me out the door. Seemed like whatever was going on in the back room could not wait..
That blue pcc looks exactly like the one I have from when I first started in the 510 sticks. It was listed as a Joye 510 pcc and had no markings on it. I got it from a Joye listed oem partner
Yes, the original kits without logo looked exactly like that, I used to buy those from a joye direct and authorized distributor in 2010 (Jan-Apr).
XD making orders from china is actually not a bad idea, even for small quantities, still recommend health-cabin as they are not retailers but distributors and I bet you could make great earnings by just putting a bulk order and starting to sell kits cheaper than most retailers in the US... MOQ for distributor is 500 not 5000, more than that would be required only if you plan to become a direct distributor, but that makes no sense in the giant end user marked US has become...
My advise. Check your kits, exchange parts from one to another to look for differences in functionality, and if they perform the same, they are both Joye. About the service, report them here in the forum if you consider the offense to be beyond forgivable, or contact the BigBoss in their company and talk to him/her directly about the sales he might lose for having a less than awesome frontline...
Its great to find another home theater enthusiast in the vaping world, welcome tallc!
BTW, I understand true home theaters, not the store found stuff. I'm not exactly sure which speakers you get from Sweden, or even the German amps, but there are some decent Euro made products. I started out with Jamo brand speakers and everyone I knew kept asking why I didn't get Bose!
What a life changing experience when I moved to much larger speakers and a dedicated 15X35X10 room. Now going to a theater is a second rate experience!
Jamo is a GREAT line, we sell those as well... As far as Sweden. We were one of the US distributors for AudioPro line, and are Gladen dealers from Germany on the 12v side of things, as well as other lines.. Believe me we have had our bruises as well.. We were one of the main Distributors of the VizionWare active HDMI cables here in Texas.. Im talking cables from $159-$1200 for a single cable.. When they went bankrupt we got the shaft, as we were stuck with over $300K of retail inventory with flooring loans still out.. Yes that is 300 thousand dollars.. You should see the accountants the past few years, we are selling $150-$900 cables for $10-$60 each.. Cant do anything but take the losses!
I think it's all a crapshoot. Based on my very limited experience, my non-Joye goods perform much better than my real Joye goods. Others, of course, will have exactly the opposite experience.
The stuff is made in China. There's no telling what you're getting. It's the luck of the draw. It's big companies hiring sweatshop labor. Some have quality control, and other don't. That's the way the world works.
The stuff is made in China. There's no telling what you're getting. It's the luck of the draw. It's big companies hiring sweatshop labor. Some have quality control, and other don't. That's the way the world works.
Come on, you know the answer to your question. What else do you want to know? What's a good way to get started for less than $100? 50 dollar kit + 20 dollars worth of blanks + 30 dollars worth of e-liquid = Good Start
If you want a regular store where they hold your hand and give you lessons and pointers on how to use the equipment, You might be getting a good deal and be happy using it and socializing with them. They sold you a starter kit which will break if you leak liquid on those batteries, be careful.
You make me feel very fortunate I ordered a bulkier kit from an online vendor who double checks the nicotine levels of all liquid they sell. PM me
Joyetech does make good stuff, it's inside many of the knockoff brands.
If you want a regular store where they hold your hand and give you lessons and pointers on how to use the equipment, You might be getting a good deal and be happy using it and socializing with them. They sold you a starter kit which will break if you leak liquid on those batteries, be careful.
You make me feel very fortunate I ordered a bulkier kit from an online vendor who double checks the nicotine levels of all liquid they sell. PM me
Joyetech does make good stuff, it's inside many of the knockoff brands.
Im new to vaping and i brought my first Joytech ego C, i can not fault it at all the battery lasts me nearly 48 hours and i puff on it a lot, I live in australia and i ordered mine on line $79 FOR 2 SETS plus recieved loads extra, if i where you i would ring up joytech and explain to them what is going on !!!! as i think you have been ripped of 
i wsh you all the best
i wsh you all the best 
That's not quite accurate . I have bought genuine Joytech , that was not branded . Some of their earlier products didn't have any branding , as well as some they sold to "no name" vendors that might put their own brand , or not . Very same thing as the Lavatube , 12 different vendors 11 different names , and at least one , unbranded .
That is horrible! I never bought into the expensive cables after I've heard them time and time again. The market for them has become very dry as the internet forums have spread the word. There are still a bunch of people out there though. Good luck with the recovery of funds.
I really do like my Jamos, as they are built very well for the price.
I believe AutoTech is in Sweden as well. They produce some very nice waveguides and the Mumia speakers are very cool designs.
I am not familiar with Gladen though, but guaranteed if its a German product it is very good quality.
Well my two cents. I know a ton of folks have had issues with the tank system in the eGos others swear by them, so it sounds like you are one of the former. Ditch the tank setup and get some cartomizers and/or a DCT tank. Now as far as real vs. fake, I've seen a bunch of rip offs that people sell as "genuine". I was in the same boat as you on my first purchase, I overpaid for a knock-off, but at least they got me into vaping and off the analogs. In my opinion the Kgo and Riva are priced lower than eGos and are a helluva lot better for solid built starter units, and the vendors that sell them online are pretty solid too. Sweet-vapes.com, Hoosierecigsupply.com, and Libertyflights.com to name a few that either I or others I know have dealt with that sell the Kgo and/or Riva.
I didnt ask for a smart ... post on MY thread.. Did you hear me asking for someone to hold my hand... I asked a question, if you cant answer that question, keep you smart ... to yourself.. What a ....!
Man, no need to get angry, if you don't like a post just ignore it... if it's offensive, report it...
For what you've posted, I consider your time is too valuable to waste it replying with no possible positive outcome to come out of it. Take into consideration you'll get MANY incredibly different takes on matters like these, and in my experience, you just take the good, hell, you can even just take what you like out of the different answers you get here.
I do understand however, that N Rustica is not seeing the whole picture (and I don't mean the picture in OP) in this thread, as it goes beyond the usual "newbie looking for a first kit". I've provided my view on the subject and some suggestions, I guess that's all I can contribute with in this thread.
Hope I helped a bit.
For what you've posted, I consider your time is too valuable to waste it replying with no possible positive outcome to come out of it. Take into consideration you'll get MANY incredibly different takes on matters like these, and in my experience, you just take the good, hell, you can even just take what you like out of the different answers you get here.
I do understand however, that N Rustica is not seeing the whole picture (and I don't mean the picture in OP) in this thread, as it goes beyond the usual "newbie looking for a first kit". I've provided my view on the subject and some suggestions, I guess that's all I can contribute with in this thread.
Hope I helped a bit.
Yes, you have helped quite a bit.... I guess some people on here did not understand my whole point of the thread..
I never questioned the price i paid.. I paid it, without any arguments or questions OTHER than i specifically went to the store and SPECIFIED that i wanted Genuine JOYETECH.. That was my only request for doing business there, and was told they only sell GENUINE JOYETECH... I bought and paid for a genuine joyetech product, and when i had a issue, after having to absolutely prove my case, i was swapped out with what appeared to be a KNOCKOFF product ( point in thread - Knockoff or Not?), and as secondary when i went in (a MAN), everything i bought as accessories were ALL in joyetech boxes and labeled joyetech, when the wife goes by to pick up items for me, she is give white boxed items or nothing that says joyetech anywhere , yet the same price was paid.. Not a single dollar cheaper.. So my plans are at this time to go and inquire at the store level, and to let them know i want exactly what i paid for, which means that i want my product replaced with EXACTLY what i paid for, my cigs to have JOYETECH on them. Thats the only way i feel comfortable knowing i am getting the same thing i originally paid for.. If that is refused, then i will post over in the appropriate forum with negative comments on the Vendor, and list who they are. Then march myself right down to local small claims court, file with BBB, and with other outlets i deem neccessary..
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