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Slim batteries are nice, but they don't last long. Rivas are the same length but a little wider. The battery life is about 4 times longer for the same price. I too like Liberty - flights, and they stand behind what they sell. As for 510 because Hubby has it, if you don't choose Riva, I'd suggest kr 808d1. That way Hubby can't borrow and leave you up a creek. Plus, you can get a 808-510 adaptor and use both.
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goodness, my head is spinning

Your hubby already vapes. You get it, you've vaped. You don't have to go read hundreds of pages of data. Sheesh. Grab a kit from an ECF vendor and have fun. Auto - manual - whatever you decide is right for you is right! Get your vape on girl :)
 

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so here are some others to throw into the mix

e-power- I like the $4 replacement battery. parts are interchangeable with a 510? looks kind of biggish

the volt? seems like many like that. are there any parts that are interchangeable or do you have to only buy Volt parts

what about the cartomizers? they hold more liquid? are they hard to use/fill?
 

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sin- I feel your pain on the analytical end of things.

I'm 3 pages deep on my "new guy" thread and that was after days of lurking/researching and having already decided on a PV size that I believe will work for me. Now I'm just in the fine tuning stages of the purchasing process. There's some great info from the guys/gals here in there as well if you want to take a gander.
 

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    Good luck with your decision. Whoever suggested an NJOY to you, give them a punch. :mad:

    It sounds like you want a small kit that looks like a cigarette. Your husband has a 510, that's a good kit. But, I tend to recommend the Smokeless Image Volt over the 510. It's a KR808D-1 system. There are similar systems sold under the names Bloog, Vapor King and Halo G6. If you like automatic batteries for hands-free vaping, get automatic batteries. But, I'd generally recommend you get an extra battery for backup. Make at least one of your batteries a manual. There's less chance of killing a manual and you can try dripping with a manual + 901 atomizer + 510 drip tip. The manual also has an easier draw. The performance, however, is the same for both 808 automatic and manual batteries.

    If you still want a Joye 510 kit, Liberty-Flights.com sells them at a good price.

    If you're willing to consider a larger kit, i.e. about the size of a Sharpie marker, a Riva 510, eGo, Echo-E, KGO, VGO, etc. are all good choices.

    Here's an easier link to start off with: Beginners E-Cig Tutorial.

    Does this help at all? :)
     

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    I started with the Tornado T from "Totally Wicked" - it doesn't look anything like a cigarette but it's still fairly discreet (it's not a big shiny chromed up jet pack looking thing) and easy to use to get the hang of vaping. Of course after a drastic reduction in # of analogs and having figured vaping works for me, I went for a "bottom feeder", the ReoMini. So now having successfully avoided the shiny chrome jet pack look, I have a small sophisticated and pretty darn slick device that looks "just like" a remote bomb detonator. Yay! p.s. works great so far and is extremely high quality construction but a bit pricey - definitely not an entry level thing. So now that my hardware is settled, I'm looking for juice that won't give me a sore throat.
     

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    Hello and welcome sln88!

    I'm pretty new myself, only been vaping for a month, but happy to share what I have learned.
    Was a pack a day smoker, Marlboro 100's.

    Much was learned from the people here, but there was quite a bit of info overload for me.

    I got a Joye 510 manual starter kit from Cignot and I think it was a good decision for me to start out with the 510. It's small, extra parts are fairly cheap and can be found at nearly every ecig vendor on the net. You can try using cartridges and atomizers, cartomizers, tank systems, and just dripping on the atty to see what works best. Yes, I did buy a little of everything so I could learn for myself. I personally like tanks best, though the regular tanks for a 510 are far too small, so if you go that route get the XL ones. The Boge cartomizers are pretty good as well.

    If you spend a lot of time in front of a computer get a passthru, much better than using batteries all the time.
    The 510 has a fairly short battery life, I go through one battery every 5 hours at work, but I'm not constantly vaping there. Outside of work they last me anywhere from 2 to 4 hours depending on what I'm doing and how often I vape. You can get the mega batteries as well, I have not tried them yet.

    As for the hands free part, you have to remember that ecigs are heavier than a regular cigarette. I think it can be done with the 510's, auto batteries would be a must for hands free. But then you have to worry about frying the battery if anything were to leak.

    I'm not a menthol smoker myself, but a guy I work with bought a starter kit after I got mine and he got menthol cartridges with his and they smelled great, but I didn't try them.

    As for the liquids I like the 80pg/20vg, I usually get a 24mg nicotine strength. Maybe you should go for something between 6mg and 18mg nicotine strength?

    And as for the sweet flavored stuff, I vape a lot of waffle and having that sweet flavor so often seems to have drastically cut my junk food cravings (raspberry and spearmint do that for me too). I say get sample sizes of anything that sounds good and see what works for you. I've tried quite a few(and have several new flavors on the way) and have a few favorites and many I thought I'd like and just don't.

    The only thing else I can think of is take the different recommendations into consideration, check out the different models suggested and decide what you think will or will not work for you. Everyone is different and likes different things, only you can decide what you need.

    Good luck and I hope you find what works best for you!
     

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    so here are some others to throw into the mix

    e-power- I like the $4 replacement battery. parts are interchangeable with a 510? looks kind of biggish

    the volt? seems like many like that. are there any parts that are interchangeable or do you have to only buy Volt parts

    what about the cartomizers? they hold more liquid? are they hard to use/fill?

    I totally get the paralysis by analysis you're going through. I need a T-shirt that says "Does ....-Retentive have a hyphen?" I'm kinda glad I didn't find ECF when I first started vaping. I might STILL be reading.

    I'm not convinced on the e-power yet. You only get one unit. What if the button malfunctions? Yikes. It's bigger/fatter than regular 'fat batts'. Yes, you change batteries like you would with a mod. But the good batteries AW black and red label 18650s aren't $4. They're $17 to $20. The type of battery used makes a big diff in vaping experience and safety. A Kgo battery hits harder than an 18650 battery (there's a YouTube video on this by the owner of hoosierecigsupply) and two Kgo batteries come in the kit for $45. Replacements are $17. I didn't realize Fat Batts (Sharpie-size) PVs were up for your consideration. There are all kinds. I choose Kgo because it vapes at a higher voltage and can weather the stress from low resistance cartomizers and atomizers fine and the batteries last longer at 1100 mAh. Egos and Rivas are good, too - very similar. Less power and batt life than Kgo, a little more $ for Ego/Rivas but I wouldn't hesitate using them.

    Volt is simply a rebranded product with a company that does a lot of marketing. The 510 kit for $29 I linked for you yesterday is comparable to the $69 Volt kit. The Volt isn't better, just more expensive. They're all made in China, many by the same manufaturer with different logos. The Volt box and logo are sexy. I dunno if they're $40 worth of sexy. You'll decide, sometime... when you're ready. Good luck on your search :)
     

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    thanks everyone- I am not so hung up on the looks(closet smoker) as the size. I am usually doing something with my hands(even when on the computer) so I am thinking I need a smaller model- is that right? with no experience its hard for me to say. even when i go outside and smoke now, I am playing games on my phone.

    I am kind of leaning toward the volt or the 510. any good/bad to these? it seems like the volt will cost more even for supplies? Is that right? but the volt will last longer battery wise? or will the bigger battery for the 510 work just as well? I am mostly home, so switching batteries is probably not a big deal. what about the amount of liquid they hold? with my husbands 510, he says he just puts like 3 drops in, but I don't know how long that lasts him.

    I am kind of confused about the volt being the kr808. I see those talked about and thought they were totally different things. is the kr808 cheaper? should I just get that?
     

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    This one's a no-brainer. Your hubby has a 510. Get a 510 threaded device so you can share supplies. If something breaks you're not up the creek. As you graduate to bigger things like a fat batt (they're not much bigger than a regular e-cig) your 510 threaded supplies will still fit.

    FYI on juice. I just placed an order with BackWoodsBrew (.net) Their RY4 is back in stock. It sells out in a few hours and is wildly popular. You might want to grab a sample-size of that. Product is on their second juice page about half the way down. It'll be gone in a flash.
     

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    boodle- thanks for putting up with me. The volt basic kit is showing at $45.9(hoping to find a coupon code) I can get 2 bigger batteries for $2 more. They let you pick one manual and one automatic so I could try both. But if you think there is no difference, maybe the 510 makes more sense?

    I will cross the e-power off my list. the battery cheapness called to my frugal side. they should just make one that runs off of AA batteries- LOL

    what about the amount of liquid the volt holds vs the 510? are there "things" you can buy that will hold more?
     

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    If you're putting a cartomizer on the Volt or cigarette-sized 510 it's about the cartomizer, not the unit. It's cool that Volt let's you get one auto and one manual battery. I'd check with HoosierEcigSupply and ask if they'd do that for you too with their 510 kit. Great idea. The kits at Hoosier give you cartos in the kit but you'll need more in time. I think the Volt gives you cartos too in their kits. It's different threading where it screws together, that's all. I'm suggesting the 510 because it's the most popular threading. You'll probably be happy with either choice.

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    The 510 kit is a 2-piece also with cartos in auto or manual rather than the old 3-piece style. I was suggesting the 510 because her husband has a 510 and they can share stuff. Smok Tech 510 cartomizer kit auto battery

    No longer mic-controlled:
    The batteries use a vacuum switch which makes them more reliable than microphone switch based batteries.
    12 second draw cutoff time.
    Unsealed auto battery connectors.
     

    Ghoisdo

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    The 510 kit is a 2-piece also with cartos in auto or manual rather than the old 3-piece style. I was suggesting the 510 because her husband has a 510 and they can share stuff. Smok Tech 510 cartomizer kit auto battery

    No longer mic-controlled:
    The batteries use a vacuum switch which makes them more reliable than microphone switch based batteries.
    12 second draw cutoff time.
    Unsealed auto battery connectors.

    If thats the case, i agree with you. Mic-controlled automatic battery sucks, can't get to use it in club.
    By the way, try the dual coil cartomizer from SmokTech as well, its amazing ;)
     

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    You get more vapor and flavor from the Volt vs. a 510. I also like that the batteries come in 3 different sizes (the longest stays charged longer) and all the battery sizes will fit in the KR808D-1 XL PCC.

    The 510 is a good kit also, but the price isn't the only difference between that and the Volt. Also, genuine 510s are made by Joye. The link from Boodle points to a SmokTech product. It might very well work for you, and be compatible with genuine Joye products, but I can't tell you how reliable it is compared to an actual 510. Having said that, SmokTech also makes the E-Power which is a good system.

    Regarding Volt being an expensive rebrander. Smokeless Image, Bloog and Halo Cigs all sell KR808D-1 systems with the same newer technology Kanger KR808D-1s. They perform better than the older KR808D-1 kits. Smokeless Image prices are better than the aforementioned system. If you find a better-priced newer tech KR808D-1 kit, then by all means go for it.

    As far as vaping hands-free goes, you won't be able to dangle an e-cigarette from your lip, but you should be able to hold one in your teeth just fine.

    Regarding the E-Power mentioned earlier. You can source the batteries from lots of places, I would recommend an 18650 E-Power with AW IMR 18650 replacement batteries you can get from lots of places. The E-Power button is replaceable if it fails. But, I figured the system was way bigger than what you were asking for.
     
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