Newbie with info overload

[QcVaper]

Ok so atomizer is an aspire clieto 120
0.16 ?? 100 - 120w
As far as juice goes...bought 0 nic juice from local supplier and have ordered nic juice online... he suggested "100mg nic 100% pg base". Now a bit unsure if this suitable?

100mg nicotine is a serious NO never seen anyone go higher than 24 (in canada anyway) i wen't with 15 mg for the first month for a pack a day smoker. If you feel urges to vape instead of smoke to me that was a sign to get lower nic juice. So i'd buy some 15 and like 10-6mg nic that was you can vape normally if you have cravings and you can vape more with a lower nic (trust me it gets fun when you get the hang of dtl). Though i still advise any new smoker to not start with sub 0hm devices (basically anything with a coil that's resistance is lower than 1) as they're made for dtl smokers use mostly mtl action. I went with 1.8 0hm coils to start with and they helped me immensely! Now i do dtl though,wanted more taste and a more consistent smoke but dang even 6 mg is strong ahah XD

 

[Opinionated]

Ok so atomizer is an aspire clieto 120
0.16 ?? 100 - 120w
As far as juice goes...bought 0 nic juice from local supplier and have ordered nic juice online... he suggested "100mg nic 100% pg base". Now a bit unsure if this suitable?

What you have ordered is nicotine base, which is only used when your do it yourself-ing your own e juice. To use what you ordered, you need diy supplies such as syringes for measuring, an e juice calculator so you know how much nicotine base to add, and empty bottles to mix in as well as safety gear such as gloves.

That is NOT what you want. What you need is already mixed e juice, with the wattage your vaping at I would suggest starting with a small bottle of 6mg nicotine per ml of juice to see how it works for you, whether it's enough nicotine or too much, and adjust your next purchase accordingly.. Any bottle labeled 6mg or sold as 6mg. Means 6 mg of nicotine per ml of juice.

You can find quality already mixed juice at any vape shop online. Personally I love Heather’s Heavenly Vapes, Top Quality Custom E-Liquids but I'm not sure where your at, if your in another country.. if your in another country we can help you find some reputable companies to purchase your e juice at.

As for the DIY nicotine base you got, just store it in the freezer, someday you might want to get into diy, but I DO NOT recommend doing that for at least 6 months to a year, after you understand more about your ejuice and vaping as a whole, you can learn more about diy. (Dont worry, in the freezer your nicotine will keep for years)

 

[Yoey1979]

I did find a coil. This one: Aspire Cleito SS316L Temp Control Coil. The back story and details on it are sketchy at best. But I am reading that it will work in the 213 because it's SS and because the 213 lets you set your own TCR. I still haven't seen any official acknowledgement that the coil will work for TC in the 213 though. If it does then that may be the vape you are looking for. Fiddle with the temp until you get the experience you want. You might try a restricted airflow drip tip like I did. It makes you really feel the vaper coming in rather than having this big, breathy cloud to chortle down in your lungs quickly. So, if that does work, you can decide between:

MTL off of a TC coil using a restrictive drip tip (I've done it, it works) cig mimick
MTL off of a completely different tank (I've done that , and it works) cig mimick

MTL at medium Wattage with quick breaths and the fire button only held down for part of the puff in (doable but tricky, kind of annoying) flavor chaser
DTL at medium Wattage with a full intake and exhale ( takes some getting used to but the flavor is worth putting up with the clouds) flavor chaser

DTL at high Wattage with a full intake and exhale (will take more getting used too, clouds bro clouds) cloud chaser
DTL at TC with a softer vape (may allow you to get used to DTL easier, can do MTL hits with quick breaths ) cloud chaser/flavor chaser

DTL sounds like me - medium wattage. Now just to sort mix... my nic juice arrived today so next challenge is to wrap my head around mixing with my flavours - sounds like 100p% pg which was recommended may not be best for me though.

 

[Yoey1979]

Hi Yoey &

VG produces bigger clouds and a very smooth vape with little or no hit to it at all. PG gives you a throat hit and promotes taste as opposed to VG which mutes it somewhat. You can get your juice with VG to PG ratios in 50/50, 70/30, 80/20, and max VG. The latter means the juice has the PG which came in the flavor concentrates but no more was added so it can mean anything from 10% to 20% PG. You just have to sample different juices and see what you like.

Your power setting is primarily going to depend on the resistance of your coil. The higher the resistance the lower the wattage. The overriding consideration is your preference, what you like. Vaping at a low setting produces less vapor, more taste, and a wetter vape. Higher power gives you the opposite. Normally you want to start at a very low setting and work upwards until you find the vape is getting too dry and tasteless and then work back down to what you like best.

thanks Smoke_too_much... cheers for the help mate... yeah the pg content in the flavoured juice vs added was still a bit of a mystery to me... slowly getting the picture (-:

 

[Yoey1979]

What you have ordered is nicotine base, which is only used when your do it yourself-ing your own e juice. To use what you ordered, you need diy supplies such as syringes for measuring, an e juice calculator so you know how much nicotine base to add, and empty bottles to mix in as well as safety gear such as gloves.

That is NOT what you want. What you need is already mixed e juice, with the wattage your vaping at I would suggest starting with a small bottle of 6mg nicotine per ml of juice to see how it works for you, whether it's enough nicotine or too much, and adjust your next purchase accordingly.. Any bottle labeled 6mg or sold as 6mg. Means 6 mg of nicotine per ml of juice.

You can find quality already mixed juice at any vape shop online. Personally I love Heather’s Heavenly Vapes, Top Quality Custom E-Liquids but I'm not sure where your at, if your in another country.. if your in another country we can help you find some reputable companies to purchase your e juice at.

As for the DIY nicotine base you got, just store it in the freezer, someday you might want to get into diy, but I DO NOT recommend doing that for at least 6 months to a year, after you understand more about your ejuice and vaping as a whole, you can learn more about diy. (Dont worry, in the freezer your nicotine will keep for years)

Yep OK. .. local supplier was going to coach me thru this once it arrived but I'll take your advice... now i have some idea of what will suit me won't be like throwing a dart at a board lol
Thanks Opinionated

 

[Yoey1979]

100mg nicotine is a serious NO never seen anyone go higher than 24 (in canada anyway) i wen't with 15 mg for the first month for a pack a day smoker. If you feel urges to vape instead of smoke to me that was a sign to get lower nic juice. So i'd buy some 15 and like 10-6mg nic that was you can vape normally if you have cravings and you can vape more with a lower nic (trust me it gets fun when you get the hang of dtl). Though i still advise any new smoker to not start with sub 0hm devices (basically anything with a coil that's resistance is lower than 1) as they're made for dtl smokers use mostly mtl action. I went with 1.8 0hm coils to start with and they helped me immensely! Now i do dtl though,wanted more taste and a more consistent smoke but dang even 6 mg is strong ahah XD

Yeah so turns out this is just the base nic... local supplier i met here in WA Australia suggested i go this way with his help as nic juice sale is illegal here... im now told that probs just best to order premixed (from OS) as mixing not for inexperienced chumps like me haha

 

[QcVaper]

Since i've been getting tons of email from this thread i'll say this

If you're used to doing dtl it's a better idea imo to go with a sub 0hm setup
60vg 40 pg liquid would probably be a good start with such setups at lower wattage depending on your coil resistance ofc
Don't try and take huge puffs right away,do a primer (exhale a bit through the drip tip,then proceed to dtl) take a quick,slow and steady small puff into your lungs if you can/want keep it a bit in but i release it immediately.
I still keep a mtl setup handy for those moments i feel like doing those instead,but for craving purposes,sub 0hm will keep you satisfied. Imho 3mg nicotine liquid for general use may be good but i went with 6mg for more of craving purposes.

Nb : importation of eliquids is illegal here laws are in the worst we got in canada (probably around the world too) but there's always a way. Just ask online providers or vape shops around you. But yeah usually start with already mixed juice.

 

[Yoey1979]

Since i've been getting tons of email from this thread i'll say this

If you're used to doing dtl it's a better idea imo to go with a sub 0hm setup
60vg 40 pg liquid would probably be a good start with such setups at lower wattage depending on your coil resistance ofc
Don't try and take huge puffs right away,do a primer (exhale a bit through the drip tip,then proceed to dtl) take a quick,slow and steady small puff into your lungs if you can/want keep it a bit in but i release it immediately.
I still keep a mtl setup handy for those moments i feel like doing those instead,but for craving purposes,sub 0hm will keep you satisfied. Imho 3mg nicotine liquid for general use may be good but i went with 6mg for more of craving purposes.

Nb : importation of eliquids is illegal here laws are in the worst we got in canada (probably around the world too) but there's always a way. Just ask online providers or vape shops around you. But yeah usually start with already mixed juice.

 

[Yoey1979]

Sweet. 2nd suggestion of 60/40 so will try this thanks mate. 6mg is my start point i reckon as pretty dependant on cigs.

 

[QcVaper]

Sweet. 2nd suggestion of 60/40 so will try this thanks mate. 6mg is my start point i reckon as pretty dependant on cigs.

Some feel they're very addicted to smoking (aka me) but sometimes it's not really the nicotine, for some like me it's more about the making smoking issue, ofc at the start you will have cravings but it's important to vape through those so 6mg is a good guess imo. Bit of advice though : you may get nic buzz so take 1-2 puffs don't overdo it before you get used to it (even i have issues with buzz as we speak lol but liquid is too good not to vape ) You can still dilute the liquid if you find it too harsh but then again it's up to your seller or vape shop to ask/do it for you. Like i said i was a pack/day smoker and quitted with a mtl setup with 50/50 juice but sub 0hm is more for 60/40 vg/pg mix since the coil gets hotter vapes more and vg is more visquous.

 

[Yoey1979]

Sweet. 2nd suggestion of 60/40 so will try this thanks mate. 6mg is my start point i reckon as pretty dependant on cigs.

Some feel they're very addicted to smoking (aka me) but sometimes it's not really the nicotine, for some like me it's more about the making smoking issue, ofc at the start you will have cravings but it's important to vape through those so 6mg is a good guess imo. Bit of advice though : you may get nic buzz so take 1-2 puffs don't overdo it before you get used to it (even i have issues with buzz as we speak lol but liquid is too good not to vape ) You can still dilute the liquid if you find it too harsh but then again it's up to your seller or vape shop to ask/do it for you. Like i said i was a pack/day smoker and quitted with a mtl setup with 50/50 juice but sub 0hm is more for 60/40 vg/pg mix since the coil gets hotter vapes more and vg is more visquous.

Cool yep. .. will buy some online tomorrow. .. thought i could use a NZ co called mixology... anyone heard of them? NZ works for me being in Oz as speedy freight.

 

[Opinionated]

Yep OK. .. local supplier was going to coach me thru this once it arrived but I'll take your advice... now i have some idea of what will suit me won't be like throwing a dart at a board lol
Thanks Opinionated

Okay, well the fact that e juice is illegal in your country, then you DO need to learn DIY as you will definitely need nic juice to get off the smokes.

If your supplier is going to coach you, then let him do so but make SURE your learning DIY the right way.

You need items in order to measure your e juice components, you need empty bottles for your juice, and ways to mix it.. you need an e juice calculator, which you can find online and more.

Start learning (fast) here on the forums, we have a DIY forum devoted exclusively to mixing your own juice.. read threads, and learn all you can. Ask questions.. as you read and don't understand a thing, then ask for clarification. Make a new thread in that forum if you need.

DIY E-Liquid

You will want to start around 6mg. Good luck to you!

 

[Yoey1979]

Okay, well the fact that e juice is illegal in your country, then you DO need to learn DIY as you will definitely need nic juice to get off the smokes.

If your supplier is going to coach you, then let him do so but make SURE your learning DIY the right way.

You need items in order to measure your e juice components, you need empty bottles for your juice, and ways to mix it.. you need an e juice calculator, which you can find online and more.

Start learning (fast) here on the forums, we have a DIY forum devoted exclusively to mixing your own juice.. read threads, and learn all you can. Ask questions.. as you read and don't understand a thing, then ask for clarification. Make a new thread in that forum if you need.

DIY E-Liquid

You will want to start around 6mg. Good luck to you!

Thanks Opinionated...will do

 

[stols001]

If you want to use that tank, DO NOT use any of your 100% nic liquid in it. First, it's a sub-ohm tank, so you need a nicotine percentage WAY LOWER than that. I'm assuming, since you have some 0 nic liquid (is it flavored?) that the vendor instructed you to mix it (oh God, how I hope that is the case) BUT, I would stick to premixed liquids for now (personally) and shove that Nicotine base in the freezer (I think it keeps better in dark, glass vats, but I wouldn't worry about that-- for now. Once you've discovered your preferred base VG/PG mix AND your watts (you can CERTAINLY go lower on wattage than the recommended wattage on coils, though it may be difficult initially and you are still sub-ohming, which tends to lend itself to lower clouds. I WOULD start at a low wattage and work my way up, if I were you, I certainly had a hard time quitting with the Cleto as I got nic overload (I was a HEAVY smoker, more like 2--3 ppd) and could only vape it with 6 m.g. liquid. I'd recommend the Nautilus 2 tank, and I was pleasantly surprised by vaping the sub-ohm coil not just the 1.8 coil (it comes with both, so it's nice to be able to experiment) at less airflow and essentially, the same wattage (15 watts) it's just a smoother vape for me.

As far as your 100% nicotine it is typically sent out in either VG or PG from what I've seen the vendors I've checked, so if you can't find it anywhere on the bottle, you can certainly contact the vendor and ask which base it's mixed in.

Also, PLEASE don't try mixing that quite yet! Go to the DIY section, on flavorings, and read up and ask questions, a nic level that high can be very toxic. You're going to need the right protective equipment and possibly some other chemistry items. I have 60 mg. of 100% nic base but I read a little, froze it, and promptly ordered 60% nicotine base, and a bunch of unflavored VG and some flavors. I got a gallon, knowing that I could use that safely for a LONG time, and plan to do more reading *myself* before I start mixing flavors. I'm a klutz and you may do better, it's just that the questions you are asking here make me highly fearful for you to try and add PURE nicotine to anything and accomplishing it safely/successfully. Don't get me wrong, I am sure it will be useful at SOME point, but at this point, it sounds like you are trying to get a stable vape going for yourself, and I would do that first before DIY trying to figure out liquids/taste/etc.

Anna

 

[stols001]

Yes, if you have to mix, then, I'd suggest the DIY forum, and also asking the vendor to sell you whatever safety items are needed.... Good luck! Getting that nicotine percentage right is going to be key but I guess the good thing is you are dealing in base 10, so you should be able to add nicotine fairly safely though there are plenty of DIY juice calculators....

Anna

 

[Smoke_too_much]

If you want to use that tank, DO NOT use any of your 100% nic liquid in it. First, it's a sub-ohm tank, so you need a nicotine percentage WAY LOWER than that. I'm assuming, since you have some 0 nic liquid (is it flavored?) that the vendor instructed you to mix it (oh God, how I hope that is the case) BUT, I would stick to premixed liquids for now (personally) and shove that Nicotine base in the freezer (I think it keeps better in dark, glass vats, but I wouldn't worry about that-- for now. Once you've discovered your preferred base VG/PG mix AND your watts (you can CERTAINLY go lower on wattage than the recommended wattage on coils, though it may be difficult initially and you are still sub-ohming, which tends to lend itself to lower clouds. I WOULD start at a low wattage and work my way up, if I were you, I certainly had a hard time quitting with the Cleto as I got nic overload (I was a HEAVY smoker, more like 2--3 ppd) and could only vape it with 6 m.g. liquid. I'd recommend the Nautilus 2 tank, and I was pleasantly surprised by vaping the sub-ohm coil not just the 1.8 coil (it comes with both, so it's nice to be able to experiment) at less airflow and essentially, the same wattage (15 watts) it's just a smoother vape for me.

As far as your 100% nicotine it is typically sent out in either VG or PG from what I've seen the vendors I've checked, so if you can't find it anywhere on the bottle, you can certainly contact the vendor and ask which base it's mixed in.

Also, PLEASE don't try mixing that quite yet! Go to the DIY section, on flavorings, and read up and ask questions, a nic level that high can be very toxic. You're going to need the right protective equipment and possibly some other chemistry items. I have 60 mg. of 100% nic base but I read a little, froze it, and promptly ordered 60% nicotine base, and a bunch of unflavored VG and some flavors. I got a gallon, knowing that I could use that safely for a LONG time, and plan to do more reading *myself* before I start mixing flavors. I'm a klutz and you may do better, it's just that the questions you are asking here make me highly fearful for you to try and add PURE nicotine to anything and accomplishing it safely/successfully. Don't get me wrong, I am sure it will be useful at SOME point, but at this point, it sounds like you are trying to get a stable vape going for yourself, and I would do that first before DIY trying to figure out liquids/taste/etc.

Anna

Hi Anna
100 mg nic is not that dangerous. You simply have to take a bit of care that you don't end up bathing in it. Getting it on your skin followed by washing won't harm you. Of course take extra care around children and keep it safely since it is a poison but so is your 60 mg. I never bother with gloves but then I store my nic in squeezable 240 ml bottles with twist seal tops so I really don't come in contact with it anyway.

 

[listopencil]

Hi Anna
100 mg nic is not that dangerous. You simply have to take a bit of care that you don't end up bathing in it. Getting it on your skin followed by washing won't harm you. Of course take extra care around children and keep it safely since it is a poison but so is your 60 mg. I never bother with gloves but then I store my nic in squeezable 240 ml bottles with twist seal tops so I really don't come in contact with it anyway.

Sure. But this...

If you want to use that tank, DO NOT use any of your 100% nic liquid in it.

...is solid advice. Yoey1979 is doing DTL at 60-75 Watts. Using 100 mgs nic like that is a great way to get nicotine poisoning.

 

[90VG]

Same here, I flip the top of the 1 liter bottle and squirt it out. I flick it on my "vape desk" to close, back to the fridge it goes. I can handle a full drop on my tongue no problem, I'll feel it, but it's not that bad. You can get those cheap nitrate gloves also at any pharmacy if you get worried.

If you absorbed 2 full drops, you would only get 6mg of nicotine in you. 60mg on average is the old school lethal dose 50%. It's not that dangerous for careful adults.

Here is an article about it:

How much nicotine kills a human? Tracing back the generally accepted lethal dose to dubious self-experiments in the nineteenth century

It suggests that the lethal does is about 20 times that, or 1200 mg, but it depends on your weight.

Since I vape 3mg/ml, and it ends up being around 20-30 ml a day, means I absorb ~100 mg of nicotine a day. Well over the old school 60 will kill you.

Edit: It's not exactly known how much actually gets absorbed, that's just how much goes in a day.

 

[ddirtyvapes]

Also worth noting that 100mg is not "pure nicotine." Milligrams and percentage of nicotine in solution are not the same. And yes, pure nicotine is incredibly toxic and seriously dangerous to handle, but 100mg is nothing close to pure. 100mg base is 10% nicotine.

Probably good for U.S. members in general to remember that in EU and [parts of?] Australia (and possibly additional jurisdictions) right now, the only way to obtain juice with nicotine is to buy 0mg and add your own.

Since I vape 3mg/ml, and it ends up being around 20-30 ml a day. That means I absorb ~100 mg of nicotine a day. Well over the old school 60 will kill you.

To be fair, you're probably not absorbing 100% of the nicotine you're taking in, but I use a similar amount at the same level and totally agree. I am all about safety, but there's no need to cause an undue amount of fear...

 

[90VG]

Also worth noting that 100mg is not "pure nicotine." Milligrams and percentage of nicotine in solution are not the same. And yes, pure nicotine is incredibly toxic and seriously dangerous to handle, but 100mg is nothing close to pure. 100mg base is 10% nicotine.

Probably good for U.S. members in general to remember that in EU and Australia (and possibly more) right now, the only way to obtain juice with nicotine is to buy 0mg and add your own.

If I have 3 ml of 100 mg/ml in a bottle, there is 300 mg of nicotine in that bottle. If the bottle lasts 3 days, then I'm going through 100 mg a day. My math wasn't off.