Somehow I gotta believe you will be having a much longer conversation than that.
Nic Base Storage: Freezer vs. Room Temp Experiment
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Decisions can be hard.
Funny, or agree??? Went with funny this time, because it did elicit a chuckle. But then a head nod!
I still have some unused 60ml, 120ml, and 240 bottles from older shipments. Since Amazon opened their new one million sg ft warehouse about 20 miles from me I've been getting one day shipping for most things I order. I'm only paying for standard shipping and loving the quick delivery.
Oh Bronze... I go back to work tomorrow. LOL.
I have lost my "Flower of Life" Squid. I mean I assume it's around somewhere. It did cause me to completely clean and vacuum the living room so that was nice. I mean unpleasant EXTREMLY and nice now. It wasn't under there. My next bet is the bed but I AM ONE WOMAN, a tired and disorganized one.
I did find under there a missing "here are all your evening meds" type deal. I'm sort of glad most of my meds it's no big deal but like Valium they do NOT take kindly to you being like, "I lost it." (Even though in my case it is completely true) and you can only order it two days in advance. Like, whether it's a 90 day supply or a 30 day one. That seems unfair. Like, I do everything possible to NOT lose my meds but I so totally do.
Oooh…. there was also the time when I was getting this super weird thyroid dosage due to shortages and like, it looked EXACTLY like my Ambien so I accidentally shoved it in my med box (2 of them at noon) that was a bad few days.
I didn't go to sleep, but I do remember feeling uncomfortably FLOATY dude like the world wasn't real. I figured it out at some point but I had to get an override on that one. It was a PROBLEM. LOL.
Maybe I should have a nice chat with my nic. It might know where my PV is? Who knows the secrets of the nic?
Now I'm gonna bathe and do yoga soon. Or try.
Anna
OK, I finally got around to doing an A-B.I mixed the remnants down the other day using what was left of both the PG and VG nics then doing my calculations as though the base was 50/50 PG/VG. The resulting 13mg unflavored juice looks pretty good:
I started vaping it yesterday -- straight unflavored, which is my "ADV".
First impressions after a full day: I am not a fan of this nic. It tastes OK; it's not at all like I remember some oxidized nic tasting. In fact, it tastes pretty clean when actually vaping it. But all day yesterday, it was leaving some kind of after-taste on my palate, which I can't really describe. As of today, that's mostly gone, which isn't a surprise, because I tend to become de-sensitized to such things pretty quickly. But what hasn't gone away it that it's somehow harsher/stronger than the nics I'm used to vaping. Some people might like that. I personally do not.
For reference, I've been vaping NN recently, but back in PA I'm still working on some WL, and I don't notice anywhere near this kind difference between those.
There is one possible explanation for this, which would be that the 250 ml graduated cylinder I was using isn't quite accurate at the very bottom and I ended up with "13mg" liquid that's actually stronger than I intended it to be, although I'm hard pressed to believe that it would be enough to account for what I'm feeling here.
A= Carolina Extract 100mg
B= Nic River 100mg
Both mixed 70/30 using the same PG/VG from the same bottle. Both at 15mg. No flavorings used in either.
Impressions: I taste no discernible difference. Both taste clean to me. I have not experienced the aftertaste or harsher stuff as did Rossum. But then I haven't vaped it all day like Rossum either. If something changes I'll re-post.
I'm at the end of my 125ml bottle of CX. From here on out it is Nic River.
You got CX's PG nic, right?
I'm kinda wishing I had evaluated them separately rather than mixing them together. The PG smelled really clean, while the VG did not.
Does this make you more likely to buy and/or recommend others to buy 100% PG nic? It’s still unclear to me which is best for long term. Both seem to have different advantages (i.e., pg is less viscous and easier to pour, VG is thicker and maybe doesn’t separate as easy?) Hence my collection is almost half and half (not 50% PG/VG but half of my bottles are 100% VG and half are 100% PG), just to be on the safe side.
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I dunno. I started out buying nic in PG because it's easier to work with. But then I read some of Dr. Kurts older posts on storage. He posited that VG was better long-term in the freezer because it's so viscous at those temperatures that it would reduce the mobility of the nicotine molecules and thus oxidize more slowly. Since he's a PhD chemist, I figured he should know what he's talking about and then I started buying nic in VG. So my stash is also about half and half.
I just stuck all my ~2-2/3 year old PA samples in the fridge and so they'll all be in at the same temperature for photos tomorrow. Spoiler: There's minimal visible difference between the PG and VG samples.
Almost all my nic is now in 500 ml bottles!!! Happy dance!
Heh. I have discovered I am considerably faster at just pouring the stuff as using a funnel, with about the same accuracy.
I will still be glad when I am done.
I think, given the expansiveness of nic bottles, I may have to buy the husband a second chest freezer for Christmas. He has made noises about needing a "bigger one" when we move from rural town to "rural die in the back of the paramedic van 15 minutes away from rural town" when that happens.
I think I can give him a nice happy early gift because lets face it. Some things need to stay cold, and I'm not mixing my nic with chunks of dead deer, although I have never eaten deer and would happily shoot one.
I should also note that I was never exposed to the movie "Bambi" as a kid and I found it unredeemable boring as an adult. I never got to "mommy death by hunter scene" (I am going to trust I don't need to like, put a spoiler alert on that.
I wouldn't shoot a new-mommy deer for several reasons a) I hear antlers are a trophy and you can give them away at while elephant Christmas exchanges and then everyone shuns you and b) IN THE WORLD NOT KNOWN AS DISNEY Bambi is NOT adopted by the animal kingdom or whatever, Bambi is EATEN by coyotes in a pack.
THAT scene ,I would probably watch.
Oh but yeah all my nic is nice and clear. Heartlands smells a bit peppery but it always HAS to me, frankly. It smells like nic, and I don't mind my nic smelling and tasting like nic, just as I don't mind if Bambi is eaten by Coyotes.
But I'm looking for vapable nic, I like nic , I enjoy noting it's presence if I want tasteless I can always drink distilled H20.
Anna
Heh. I have discovered I am considerably faster at just pouring the stuff as using a funnel, with about the same accuracy.
I will still be glad when I am done.
I think, given the expansiveness of nic bottles, I may have to buy the husband a second chest freezer for Christmas. He has made noises about needing a "bigger one" when we move from rural town to "rural die in the back of the paramedic van 15 minutes away from rural town" when that happens.
I think I can give him a nice happy early gift because lets face it. Some things need to stay cold, and I'm not mixing my nic with chunks of dead deer, although I have never eaten deer and would happily shoot one.
I should also note that I was never exposed to the movie "Bambi" as a kid and I found it unredeemable boring as an adult. I never got to "mommy death by hunter scene" (I am going to trust I don't need to like, put a spoiler alert on that.
I wouldn't shoot a new-mommy deer for several reasons a) I hear antlers are a trophy and you can give them away at while elephant Christmas exchanges and then everyone shuns you and b) IN THE WORLD NOT KNOWN AS DISNEY Bambi is NOT adopted by the animal kingdom or whatever, Bambi is EATEN by coyotes in a pack.
THAT scene ,I would probably watch.
Oh but yeah all my nic is nice and clear. Heartlands smells a bit peppery but it always HAS to me, frankly. It smells like nic, and I don't mind my nic smelling and tasting like nic, just as I don't mind if Bambi is eaten by Coyotes.
But I'm looking for vapable nic, I like nic , I enjoy noting it's presence if I want tasteless I can always drink distilled H20.
Anna
PA Samples Update:
I missed posting an update about these samples at the two year mark. That should have been in March, but I was down in Florida then. In fact, I've spent very little time up here this year and I'm beginning to ask myself why I'm still officially a resident of PA, paying PA state income taxes rather than being a FL resident, where there are no state income taxes. But I digress.
We're now at roughly 2 years, 8 month on these samples. As I mentioned a couple of posts up, I put all the local samples in the fridge last night so that they'd all be at the same temperature for photography today. Here are all eight late this morning, with the LED backlighting from the still in the fridge:
Just like with the FL samples, there's a huge difference between the ones that have been kept in the freezer and the ones that have been kept in at room temperature. The freezer samples look as good as the day they went in, and the room temperature ones obviously don't.
See Post #1 and Post #78 for what they looked like when they were new.
Post #167 and a few that immediately follow show what they looked like the first time I took pictures of them with the back-lighting in the fridge at roughly six months in.
Post #367 show what they looked like at just about the one-year mark.
So have the room temperature ones darkened more since then? Yes, I think so, particularly the ones in PET plastic rather than glass, but the change over the last 20 months hasn't been as dramatic as the change over the first 12.
More pics under natural light to follow.
I missed posting an update about these samples at the two year mark. That should have been in March, but I was down in Florida then. In fact, I've spent very little time up here this year and I'm beginning to ask myself why I'm still officially a resident of PA, paying PA state income taxes rather than being a FL resident, where there are no state income taxes. But I digress.
We're now at roughly 2 years, 8 month on these samples. As I mentioned a couple of posts up, I put all the local samples in the fridge last night so that they'd all be at the same temperature for photography today. Here are all eight late this morning, with the LED backlighting from the still in the fridge:
Just like with the FL samples, there's a huge difference between the ones that have been kept in the freezer and the ones that have been kept in at room temperature. The freezer samples look as good as the day they went in, and the room temperature ones obviously don't.
See Post #1 and Post #78 for what they looked like when they were new.
Post #167 and a few that immediately follow show what they looked like the first time I took pictures of them with the back-lighting in the fridge at roughly six months in.
Post #367 show what they looked like at just about the one-year mark.
So have the room temperature ones darkened more since then? Yes, I think so, particularly the ones in PET plastic rather than glass, but the change over the last 20 months hasn't been as dramatic as the change over the first 12.
More pics under natural light to follow.
Natural light shot of the room-temperature samples side-by-side:
Natural light shot of the freezer samples side-by-side:
Note that the VG nic is the right-most sample in both of these pics; the rest are PG.
If there's a substantial difference between PG and VG, I don't see it. The VG samples were every so slightly straw colored to begin with.
Natural light shot of the freezer samples side-by-side:
Note that the VG nic is the right-most sample in both of these pics; the rest are PG.
If there's a substantial difference between PG and VG, I don't see it. The VG samples were every so slightly straw colored to begin with.
Come on Anna, your nic is in glass bottles. It isn't going to "mix" with venison. Besides, if you take your deer to the butcher shop for processing, it you get it back all neatly vacuum packed, like this:
We find this tremendously increases the spousal acceptance factor.
Of course you can DIY this with a "food saver" type vacuum-sealing setup yourself.
That movie annoys me to no end. There are no little fawns in the forest by the time hunting season opens. Deer breed in the fall and give birth in the spring. By the following late fall and early winter (hunting season) they are close to full-grown.
Shooting one is the easy part. Sometimes they drop quickly, sometimes they run quite a ways, which demands that you track them. This might be easier where you are than where we are. Here we've got thick woods with plenty of undergrowth. It's when you get the deer that the difficult part starts. Step 1 is to field-dress it. That means removing all the entrails. The sooner this is done, the better. Step 2 is to haul it someplace you can hang it to skin it (butchers generally want a skinned carcass, without a head, and without hooves). Some people can't handle these steps.
My son got a very nice buck just shy two weeks ago. Do not click this link if you don't wish to see a dead deer hanging in a tree, waiting to be skinned.
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Thanks, good to know. I’ve got a little less than 7 hours and then I’ll be buying some of the LB nic that’s going on sale.
And thanks again for all the effort you’ve put into this thread, the knowledge is invaluable
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Nice looking deerCome on Anna, your nic is in glass bottles. It isn't going to "mix" with venison. Besides, if you take your deer to the butcher shop for processing, it you get it back all neatly vacuum packed, like this:
We find this tremendously increases the spousal acceptance factor.
Of course you can DIY this with a "food saver" type vacuum-sealing setup yourself.
That movie annoys me to no end. There are no little fawns in the forest by the time hunting season opens. Deer breed in the fall and give birth in the spring. By the following late fall and early winter (hunting season) they are close to full-grown.
Shooting one is the easy part. Sometimes they drop quickly, sometimes they run quite a ways, which demands that you track them. This might be easier where you are than where we are. Here we've got thick woods with plenty of undergrowth. It's when you get the deer that the difficult part starts. Step 1 is to field-dress it. That means removing all the entrails. The sooner this is done, the better. Step 2 is to haul it someplace you can hang it to skin it (butchers generally want a skinned carcass, without a head, and without hooves). Some people can't handle these steps.
My son got a very nice buck just shy two weeks ago. Do not click this link if you don't wish to see a dead deer hanging in a tree, waiting to be skinned.
Nice work on the nic tests Rossum. Reassuring that our freezer-stored nic is where it should be.
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