Nic Base Storage: Freezer vs. Room Temp Experiment

[UncLeJunkLe]

They kinda implied it was best to freeze it.

I read that, too, but then I realized it was just the same general storage instruction/advice that they use on the liquid nic base.

Taken from a liquid listing

Storage

When storing nicotine, we always recommend utilizing a freezer. Don't worry, the nicotine may become thicker, but it will not freeze. Heat, light, and oxygen are the biggest threats that increase the degradation of quality and oxidation in nicotine. Although degradation will still occur no matter the storage environment, the coldest and darkest conditions possible will drastically slow this natural oxidation process.

That's the same exact blurb on the powdered nic listing.

Here's the first concern that popped into my head: once it's frozen then thawed, will condensation possibly form inside the bag forcing you to cut the whole bag with PG or VG at that point?


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[UncLeJunkLe]

The Next Craze? DIY Nicotine Gum?

Homemade Bubble Gum | Imperial Sugar

(Nicotine Bitartrate needs a New Thread?)

Maybe. But for me personally I'm not a big fan of chewing gum and it would do nothing for my hand-to-mouth addiction or my love of the act of smoking addiction. I'm a smoker at heart, that's why I vape.

EDIT: I wonder which state would be first to outlaw 0mg flavored chewing gum with kid-captivating packaging in order to "save the children"

 

[Bronze]

The Next Craze? DIY Nicotine Gum?

Homemade Bubble Gum | Imperial Sugar

(Nicotine Bitartrate needs a New Thread?)

Zoi, I’ll start one if Rossum doesn’t want this topic on his thread and/or if there are a few people who think it’s worthy of a thread. Truthfully, I kinda threw it out there to see if someone could quickly shoot holes in it and render it an irrelevent vape product or perhaps a gimmick.

 

[zoiDman]

Zoi, I’ll start one if Rossum doesn’t want this topic on his thread and/or if there are a few people who think it’s worthy of a thread. Truthfully, I kinda threw it out there to see if someone could quickly shoot holes in it and render it an irrelevent vape product or perhaps a gimmick.

Cool. This thread is Kinda Special.

zoiD

 

[Bronze]

Cool. This thread is Kinda Special.

zoiD

It’s sorta related in that it is nicotine and it is suggested that it be frozen. If it were a popular DIY product then I would say it belongs here. But if its ceiling only reaches gimmick levels then definitly not.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

 

[Alexander Mundy]

IMO being a powder makes it substantially more dangerous to handle than liquid.

 

[puffon]

They have this disclaimer at the bottom:

This nicotine type is NOT recommended for DIY use. This nicotine strength is extremely potent and if handled improperly could result in injury or death. Handle with extreme caution at all times. Avoid inhalation. Wear proper safety equipment.

 

[BillW50]

They have this disclaimer at the bottom:

This nicotine type is NOT recommended for DIY use. This nicotine strength is extremely potent and if handled improperly could result in injury or death. Handle with extreme caution at all times. Avoid inhalation. Wear proper safety equipment.

And lithium batteries warn do not use with e-cigarettes too.

 

[BillW50]

IMO being a powder makes it substantially more dangerous to handle than liquid.

It also says can be safely mixed with PG. Voilà! Instant liquid nicotine.

 

[hittman]

They have this disclaimer at the bottom:

This nicotine type is NOT recommended for DIY use. This nicotine strength is extremely potent and if handled improperly could result in injury or death. Handle with extreme caution at all times. Avoid inhalation. Wear proper safety equipment.

So if it’s not recommended for DIY use then why are they selling it to anyone smart enough to set up an account on their site? I could definitely see someone with questionable math skills mixing too much powder in their liquid.

 

[stols001]

I am interested in its stability. I think this stuff is used in the EU to increase strength of eliquid? I am going to ask @Izan if he is around I believe he mentioned it.

That is a lot of nic for a low price, depending on its stability over time? I agree the powder makes it substantially more difficult to handle. I think they have a different powder (I want to say the one discussed is more like nic salts the second regular nic.)

I searched-- I mean it is SAFE this is what they use in pretty much most pharmaceutical nicotine products and everyone seems to agree on that. I'm more interested in shelf life. Sure, I would freeze it or whatever if that was necessary but it will take a better searcher than I.

I would buy some simply as a "last nicotine standing" because it IS so cheap although I don't want to handle the powder particularly.

I would like it if @Rossum or @mikepetro or SOMEONE chimed in on this.

I also thought River supply changed their name to fly more under the radar but it seems like they have become more like "That guy in the shack down by the river who will sell you anything." I mean, what AREN'T they selling, eau de kidnapped child? It seems like it's gonna be a free for all until closing, kinda.

I am not implying their products are not good I have usually found their stuff is just fine. I would seriously consider buying some, and even emailing them but I think I would get a standard, boiler plate reply so it's not really worth it.

Anna

 

[borno]

Lemme whiff a couple lines o' dat

 

[stols001]

C'mon NOW don't give the teens IDEAS MY GOD.

Anna

 

[zoiDman]

In the Interest of Keeping this Thread as On-Topic as possible, given it's Value and seeing that it is a Sticky, I created a Thread about this Powdered Nicotine.

Powdered Nicotine Bitartrate Dihydrate

Perhaps CW can Migrate the Posts in this thread if She has some time.

 

[CAAB]

If you look on Fisher Scientific or Thomas Scientific for nicotine bitartrate dihydrate, they recommend storage at room temperature (15 to 30°C). Although, I imagine they aren't envisioning storing for multiple years.

If it were me, I'd bet on separating the powder into multiple wide mouth glass containers with minimal headspace, followed by properly labelling and childproofing. When removing for use, I'd allow the glass container to reach room temperature before opening to prevent condensation.

That is, if you are looking to store longterm. Personally, I won't be looking into this powder for use. Although perhaps it would be good for people with minimal to no freezer storage space. Not sure how/if the powder would work as eliquid. The River Supply Co website seems to imply it can be used as such.

 

[borno]

If you look on Fisher Scientific or Thomas Scientific for nicotine bitartrate dihydrate, they recommend storage at room temperature (15 to 30°C). Although, I imagine they aren't envisioning storing for multiple years.

If it were me, I'd bet on separating the powder into multiple wide mouth glass containers with minimal headspace, followed by properly labelling and childproofing. When removing for use, I'd allow the glass container to reach room temperature before opening to prevent condensation.

That is, if you are looking to store longterm. Personally, I won't be looking into this powder for use. Although perhaps it would be good for people with minimal to no freezer storage space. Not sure how/if the powder would work as eliquid. The River Supply Co website seems to imply it can be used as such.

Might want a nice triple beam balance to measure that stuff too!

 

[stols001]

GO go to the other thread..... really there for a reason lots of good info.

Anna

 

[Train2]

They have this disclaimer at the bottom:

This nicotine type is NOT recommended for DIY use. This nicotine strength is extremely potent and if handled improperly could result in injury or death. Handle with extreme caution at all times. Avoid inhalation. Wear proper safety equipment.

So if it’s not recommended for DIY use then why are they selling it to anyone smart enough to set up an account on their site? I could definitely see someone with questionable math skills mixing too much powder in their liquid.

And lithium batteries warn do not use with e-cigarettes too.

Because, warning label

 

[sonicbomb]

Without googling this, is nicotine bitartrate dihydrate 'salt nic' in a powdered form that can be stored at room temp?