Nic Base Storage: Freezer vs. Room Temp Experiment

[CAAB]

Has it made a difference in keeping your nic's color and freshness longer? Any downsides or things I should know?

If your nicotine is stored in bottles with little or no headspace, then there is no real need for the wine preservation spray. In my opinion, leaving no room for any air is the best strategy. However, if you have any air space inside your bottles then the wine preservation spray will displace any oxygen, provided you use something like polycone caps that is going to hold in the gas.

Oxygen is not good for nicotine. So it makes a difference if your nicotine solution is at room temperature or refrigeration temperature. I don't know what difference it would make in the freezer over time but in my opinion it is a worthwhile investment in case it does make a difference.

One thing I learned the hard way regarding that wine preservation spray is that you have to be careful with it. If you spray too hard or too close to your nicotine solution, you can splash nicotine droplets all over, which can be a hazard.

Another note, I wrap my caps in silicone tape just for an extra seal.

 

[Katya]

Has it made a difference in keeping your nic's color and freshness longer? Any downsides or things I should know?

I couldn't tell you. I use it mostly for my leftover wine. And I buy my nicotine already sealed with argon. But when I rebottle myself, I sometimes add some argon to keep oxygen out. The main thing is to store your nic closely sealed in the freezer--use small glass bottles and phenolic cone caps.

I'm new to DIY, about to buy a few gallons of 100 mg/ml nic from River Supply so I'm able to make my own juice well into the future.

I've never used their nicotine--do your research. You don't want to buy gallons of poor quality product.

I already have a chest freezer where I plan to place the nic broken down into 120 ml amber glass bottles.

I may put my pg and vg in there too.

No need. VG and PG store perfectly fine in cool dry place. And the ban doesn't affect sales of PG and VG, so no need to stockpile.

I'm a bit obsessed in finding the best approach keep the color and freshness hold up over time. I figure I only have one shot at this if thanks to PACT I have no opportunity to buy more later.

Good luck. Everything you need to kow about long-term storage of nicotine is in this thread! Happy reading.

 

[CAAB]

I've never used their nicotine--do your research. You don't want to buy gallons of poor quality product.

That's a good point. You may want to split your purchase among a few vendors just to be safe. I have used River Supply and have been happy. Although I've heard of the occasional problem batch, just like any vendor really.

 

[kas122461]

Has anyone used a product like this (ART Wine Preserver) to add argon gas to your nic or vg or pg bottles? Have you seen it make a difference in preserving the color and freshness of your liquids longer? Any impact on taste from the gas? Any problems placing bottles where you've added the argon gas in the freezer?

I have always purged my bottles with argon when I re-bottle my Nic. I use a bottle of argon I have had for years when I used to weld. I use a home made purge tank, that I made out of plexiglass, put all the bottles inside the tank, then purge and cap them. I have never noticed a taste from the argon, the nicotine is as clear as the day I bottled them. I know some suppliers also use nitrogen, either one gets the job done.

KAS

All my bottles have been in the freezer with no problems.

 

[AvaOrchid]

No, a freeze dryer doesn't cost the same as a refrigerator. They run between two to three thousand dollars. You are thinking of a dehydrator, which isn't the same as freeze drying. Furthermore, pure nicotine is available (with a license). It is in liquid form. If it could be sold in a dry form it would be, because that would be cheaper to ship.

I'm going to blow y'all's mind it is sold and dry form. At least the nicotine salt is

****I'm editing this because I didn't look at the concentration before I posted it. *****
This was formally a picture of powdered nicotine but it wasn't in equivalent measure to a safe level or a relatively safe level so I'm going to take the picture down.
So further on in the comment thread there's going to be people talking about the picture that I posted that formally lived here and is no longer available they're not crazy I made a mistake.

 

[Territoo]

I'm going to blow y'all's mind it is sold and dry form. At least the nicotine salt is

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The base is too, but we are on dangerous grounds with this topic. It's more than 200mg/ml.

 

[3heavens]

I asked a question earlier, I would like to rephrase. I took my bootle of 250mg VG 500ml and didn't open fresh out of mail box, I then let it get to room temperature and shook shook turned upside down rolled over again and again, you get the point.
Then I started putting it into 60ml glass bottles most had a deep yellow tint, but a couple were clear, I think this means I didn't mix it well enough. I know you guys have alot more experience than me and I very much appreciate your advice.
The only thing I could think of is adding some distilled water to it.IDK (I put it all back into original container)...I don't know what to do.

 

[Katya]

I'm going to blow y'all's mind it is sold and dry form. At least the nicotine salt is

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Salicylic acid? Fruits and vegetables?

Anyway, I don't understand why they won't use safer acids to create nic salts, like citric or Pyruvic. From @Kurt 's old post:

Nicotine Comparisons

"Citric or ascorbic acid are two I would be more supportive of. Both very safe and ubiquitous in biology. Pyruvic acid is another that has been used in nic inhaling tech (Altria propellant device that never got to market), and should also be safe for the same reasons."

 

[CAAB]

I took my bootle of 250mg VG 500ml and didn't open fresh out of mail box, I then let it get to room temperature and shook shook turned upside down rolled over again and again, you get the point.
Then I started putting it into 60ml glass bottles most had a deep yellow tint, but a couple were clear, I think this means I didn't mix it well enough. I know you guys have alot more experience than me and I very much appreciate your advice.

I've never mixed anything I have received from a vendor. I assume it's pretty well mixed by the time it reaches me. It's possible what you're seeing is some oxidation which would be uneven. I've never ordered 250mg so I don't know how it's supposed to look, but when I ordered the 48mg salts from them it was crystal clear. You might want to set some aside and create a batch of unflavored eliquid at your desired strength and sample it, just to make sure its ok. If something is wrong with it you'd want to contact the seller for a replacement. Not saying anything is wrong, just that you want to make sure it's ok yourself.

 

[Territoo]

I asked a question earlier, I would like to rephrase. I took my bootle of 250mg VG 500ml and didn't open fresh out of mail box, I then let it get to room temperature and shook shook turned upside down rolled over again and again, you get the point.
Then I started putting it into 60ml glass bottles most had a deep yellow tint, but a couple were clear, I think this means I didn't mix it well enough. I know you guys have alot more experience than me and I very much appreciate your advice.
The only thing I could think of is adding some distilled water to it.IDK (I put it all back into original container)...I don't know what to do.

It should have had a clear to pale yellow color throughout even without you mixing it. These are premixed at the factory and any mixing you do is just to get rid of small hotspots. I'd contact the vendor.

 

[Territoo]

Salicylic acid? Fruits and vegetables?

Anyway, I don't understand why they won't use safer acids to create nic salts, like citric or Pyruvic. From @Kurt 's old post:

Nicotine Comparisons

"Citric or ascorbic acid are two I would be more supportive of. Both very safe and ubiquitous in biology. Pyruvic acid is another that has been used in nic inhaling tech (Altria propellant device that never got to market), and should also be safe for the same reasons."

Salicylic acid is the base for aspirin which is acetylsalicylic acid. A lot of people can be allergic to that, plus it is a blood thinner and can cause stomach irritation.

 

[AvaOrchid]

The base is too, but we are on dangerous grounds with this topic. It's more than 200mg/ml.

No I totally understand I personally wouldn't touch it but there was a debate about whether or not a powdered nicotine was available and the answer is yes But you probably shouldn't buy it

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

I'm going to blow y'all's mind it is sold and dry form. At least the nicotine salt is

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We tried discussing that one before. It got disappeared in to the cornfield. IMHO, it's not a viable solution for long term storage. Lots of unanswered questions, too.

 

[Territoo]

Well I'm not vaping anything with aspirin in it.

 

[CAAB]

Salicylic acid is the base for aspirin which is acetylsalicylic acid. A lot of people can be allergic to that, plus it is a blood thinner and can cause stomach irritation.

I know someone who has to make sure it's not in skin care products. They have a reaction to it.

 

[Rossum]

I asked a question earlier, I would like to rephrase. I took my bootle of 250mg VG 500ml and didn't open fresh out of mail box, I then let it get to room temperature and shook shook turned upside down rolled over again and again, you get the point.
Then I started putting it into 60ml glass bottles most had a deep yellow tint, but a couple were clear, I think this means I didn't mix it well enough. I know you guys have alot more experience than me and I very much appreciate your advice.
The only thing I could think of is adding some distilled water to it.IDK (I put it all back into original container)...I don't know what to do.

How about putting it all in a bigger bottle and mixing it 50/50 with PG? That should cut the viscosity enough to where some repeated good shaking will get you a uniform mixture before you re-bottle it.

I make ~850 ml batches of vaping strength unflavored 65VG liquid and have no problem getting it to mix uniformly by in a 1.5L wide-mouth bottle by shaking it vigorously. The mixture is milky white at first due to lots of tiny air bubbles. Letting it sit for a few hours clears it all up prior to re-bottling.

 

[3heavens]

How about putting it all in a bigger bottle and mixing it 50/50 with PG? That should cut the viscosity enough to where some repeated good shaking will get you a uniform mixture before you re-bottle it.

I make ~850 ml batches of vaping strength unflavored 65VG liquid and have no problem getting it to mix uniformly by in a 1.5L wide-mouth bottle by shaking it vigorously. The mixture is milky white at first due to lots of tiny air bubbles. Letting it sit for a few hours clears it all up prior to re-bottling.

Thanks for that. But for about 2 years I’ve been sub ohming 50mg VG freebase with 6% distilled water. Why I went that route would stretch my memory.... I kept raising my nic strength and was running out of room for pg nic and pg flavorings.. one day I said screw it and went to 50mg vg plain. (note-for new Vapers, your not supposed to do this it’ll probably make you sick I’m a freak of nature) on that note I’ve tried salts and they don’t seem smother to me also they don’t agree with my lungs. Nicotine level is perceived as same. Didn’t mean to go off subject and can’t find anyone that agrees with me. LOL.
Guess I’ll have to make a decision add some pg or add some distilled water. I want you guys to say distilled water won’t hurt it, but it may be an unknown.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

for about 2 years I’ve been sub ohming 50mg VG freebase

 

[Territoo]

My brother used to sub-ohm 48mg/ml. Of course he wasn't a chain vaper like I am.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

My brother used to sub-ohm 48mg/ml. Of course he wasn't a chain vaper like I am.

This is the first I've heard of vaping anything over 36mg.