Maybe a third rule would be If it aint broke don’t fix it.
That said, I find Bill’s topic interesting.
Nic Base Storage: Freezer vs. Room Temp Experiment
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That said, I find Bill’s topic interesting.
And my backyard mechanic’s rule is (as it pertains to diagnosing a problem)...
Fix what you can. What’s left is what’s wrong.
Yeah, but chicken and beef are mostly water to begin with, and what remains after you remove the water is mostly solid, with a small amount of oily liquids (and fatty solids).
Nicotine base, OTHO, has no solids, and only trace amounts of water. 100 mg base is 10% nicotine, with the balance being PG, VG, or some mixture of the two, so I'm not sure how you intend to "dry" it.
Yes but a freeze dryer removes oxygen and hydrogen atoms. At least we know removing oxygen from nicotine is a good thing. And if you put a tobacco leaf in a freeze dryer, it will likely preserve it with the nicotine for the next 25 years. Will it preserve nicotine in a PG/VG solution? We don't know yet. Someone needs to try it and let us know what happens.
Yes but a freeze dryer removes oxygen and hydrogen atoms. At least we know removing oxygen from nicotine is a good thing. And if you put a tobacco leaf in a freeze dryer, it will likely preserve it with the nicotine for the next 25 years. Will it preserve nicotine in a PG/VG solution? We don't know yet. Someone needs to try it and let us know what happens.
Yes, but what good is that info if your average folks don't have access to a freeze dryer. It becomes an exercise of science, but not practical.
Why isn't it practical? People normally buy glass bottles, buy nicotine in PG or VG, buy a freezer. Then pay for the electricity for that freezer for years.
On the other hand, a freeze dryer is about the same size of a small 2.5 cu ft refrigerator, uses electricity for about 28 hours (about 14kw worth), then you store the nicotine and/or your food in jars or vacuum sealed bags and then toss them in the cabinet till you need them in the next 25 years.
A freeze dryer cost in the same ballpark as a kitchen refrigerator does. And if that Federal Nicotine Tax ever goes through, then what you would pay in taxes for a 1 liter of 100mg nicotine would cover the whole cost of the freeze dryer.
Wouldn't you end up with pure nicotine that you'd have to don a hazmat suit and respirator to handle? I'd be scared to death.
We have no idea yet Zazie. But other organic matter that has been dried freeze, doesn't change in size, looks, or anything. It looks exactly the same as before, except it is super light weight. Liquids change though and something like raw eggs ends up looking something like dried up corn bread (unless it was cooked eggs). I have no idea what happens to things like PG or VG. It might stay the same (or even get really thick), but it could last a lot longer.
No, a freeze dryer doesn't cost the same as a refrigerator. They run between two to three thousand dollars. You are thinking of a dehydrator, which isn't the same as freeze drying. Furthermore, pure nicotine is available (with a license). It is in liquid form. If it could be sold in a dry form it would be, because that would be cheaper to ship.
I agree, the freeze dryers I've seen are in the thousands.
It is. River Supply has it. Nicotine powder.
PurNic Nicotine Bitartrate Dihydrate
I sit corrected. I haven't been to River Supply. I've always got my nicotine from Liquid Nicotine Wholesalers or Heartland. I assume you need a license to purchase?
My kitchen fridge quit recently and I priced new fridges and guess what? They cost like $1500 to $3200.
Well no doubt, you can probably spend a lot more than that. 4 years ago mine was around $6xx Nuttin' fancy. Just a plain old fridge and top freezer.
There was a thread about it. Not worth it IMHO.
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...ne-bitartrate-dihydrate.953543/#post-22951519
I just found out that a freeze dryer won't do anything with things like peanut butter and honey. That doesn't sound too good for our purposes.
I did learn it does fine for ice cream. Weird storing ice cream in a solid form at room temperature.
One part of the freeze dryer process is that they use these little packets that look like desiccant. But they are packets of something else that removes oxygen. You drop them in a bag or jar of dried freeze items. Imagine keeping your stored bottle of nicotine in ziplock bags with some of these oxygen eating packets in them.
I did learn it does fine for ice cream. Weird storing ice cream in a solid form at room temperature.
One part of the freeze dryer process is that they use these little packets that look like desiccant. But they are packets of something else that removes oxygen. You drop them in a bag or jar of dried freeze items. Imagine keeping your stored bottle of nicotine in ziplock bags with some of these oxygen eating packets in them.
Nicotine is not a controlled substance (yet) and does not require a license to purchase. Sellers determine what liability they want to take. Some require a digital signed document that releases them and some don't. Discussing anything further than that isn't in the scope of this forum.
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