Nic Base Storage: Freezer vs. Room Temp Experiment
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This makes no sense to me. -3F to 5F is still freezing temp range. Is there really any "thawing" going on, let alone a "freeze/thaw cycle"? When my old fridge freezer is working "normally", it fluctuates from 0F to 10F. While I am soon to get a new, dedicated nic freezer, I just find this statement from Carolina Extracts a bit hard to understand.
Agreed. And while I did get a Nic-specific freezer, and plan to store other things there that are NOT frequently in demand, so it stays closed almost all the time, STILL, if you open the door to a freezer, the ITEMS INSIDE aren't substantially going to be going up and down above and below a freeze-point. Let alone any freeze point that would effect our stuff. VG freeze point is -36 F.
My freezer maintains 0 degrees +/- 5 degrees and i have not seen any degradation over the last couple years. I find the CE theory hard to understand, and I have not seen occur it in my case.
Not to Dredge Up and try to Resuscitate a Dead Horse. But it Looks like Carolina Xtraction has walked back some of it's Previous Statements. Probably due to Blow Back they have received.
From around August 2019...
Should I store Nicotine Products in the freezer?
No, Absolutely not. There are two components in 100MG/ML nicotine, either nicotine and vegetable glycerin, or nicotine and propylene glycol. Although most freezer units keep temperatures around zero degrees Fharenheit some will fluctuate downward by three to five degrees, and upward by two to three degrees. While propylene glycol is not readily affected by this temperature range, both Nicotine and Vegetable Glycerin are. Damage occurs to100mg/ml nicotine products when oxides form during near-freeze/thaw cycles. So while the ice inside stays "ice," outside temperatures, thermostat performance and the number of times the freezer door is opened will affect 100MG/ML nicotine in this sensitive temperature range. Typical refrigeration temperatures, or even room temperatures are a much safer storage range than 27-33F because they are well away from freeze/thaw potential.
And now Today...
Should I store Nicotine Products in the freezer?
IF you know that your freezer will maintain temperature below 30F or -1C, then yes. Otherwise, no. Damage can occur to100MG/ML nicotine products when oxides form during near-freeze/thaw cycles caused by temperature fluctuations of some freezer units (but not all). Such fluctuations are typically caused by opening the freezer door and outside weather affecting the efficiency of the unit. Typical refrigeration temperatures, or even room temperatures are a much safer storage range because they are well away from freeze/thaw potential.
https://www.carolinaxtract.com/cxtc-faq
Even with this Soft Peddle, I still think Carolina Xtraction is Full of
.And their Products/Prices seems like something W.C. Fields would Like.
ie: "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull
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That and if there is one that comes close to it from time to time isn't really a freezer or it's defective.
So really what Carolina Extracts is telling us is, "Don't store your nicotine in a defective freezer."
Good to know.
Good to know.
I'm stocked up on Carolina Xtract. I know they're pricy but I am happy with them. I am a low nic user so it wasn't too painful.
I always did wonder about that claim that nicotine shouldn't be frozen. Unfortunately I didn't have much of a choice, not like I can just order it here in NY any time I want.
I have some Nicotine River salts as well, but I never had a chance to stock up on any other vendor, the NY ban came pretty quick. Would loved to have tried Heartland or something like that, and maybe stock up on some freebase, not just salts. But here we are.
I always did wonder about that claim that nicotine shouldn't be frozen. Unfortunately I didn't have much of a choice, not like I can just order it here in NY any time I want.
I have some Nicotine River salts as well, but I never had a chance to stock up on any other vendor, the NY ban came pretty quick. Would loved to have tried Heartland or something like that, and maybe stock up on some freebase, not just salts. But here we are.
I’m not sure if CE is talking about the same thing we are. They’re talking about freeze-thaw. We’re talking about freeze-freeze. Are they suggesting that putting a working bottle of nic in the freezer is detrimental? They don’t make it clear.I find that claim disturbing.
Have you or anyone else tested the impact of repeateded freeze-thaw that might be experienced when someone frequently removes a freezer-kept supply to mix their DIY recipes? Just curious because I’m not sure what they’re talking about. From the numerous testimonials on this thread it’s clear that keeping nic in a steady freeze state is resulting in insignificant degradation...even after 10 years.
I was never sure what happened but the first time I ever bought 100mg (in 100 % PG) nic, rebottled it into 30ml cobalt blue glass bottles put them in a box and tucked it away into my kitchen small upper freezer it went bad, I mean really bad, dark brown disgusting smelling sludge in a little better than a years time. It was never out of the freezer or opened during that time and the refrigerator/ freezer was fairly new. So maybe there is something to that cycling temps and constantly opening the freezer door thing? I never had any answers. I mean nic sitting around at room temp for a year+ looked a whole lot better than that nic did it was seriously disgusting.
All I know is before I ever bought any more I got a chest freezer and I went with VG over PG this time.
All I know is before I ever bought any more I got a chest freezer and I went with VG over PG this time.
The problem for me here is what does 'freeze' mean?
Neither PG or VG freeze at 32F / 0C, and to the best of my knowledge neither does nic. Water does, but that's a very small component of our nic bases.
So, what am I missing here?
Neither PG or VG freeze at 32F / 0C, and to the best of my knowledge neither does nic. Water does, but that's a very small component of our nic bases.
So, what am I missing here?
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