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[Claudia P]

Great news that she likes the Virus. My first thought is that the nic level is way too high for her, half a pack of ultra lights isn't much at all.

She may be a candidate for near 0 nic and just having the ability to go through the motions of smoking will be enough. I would try the 6 mg and if she still gets the headache see if Clark can make you a 3 mg bottle.

So good news, bad news, and an advice request (warning, super long post incoming):

Good news: remember how I said I got an evod/clearo set for my mom but she was resisting trying vaping, hardcore? Well, I didn't give it to her and didn't press the issue, (like Claud suggested, because I needed to wait for her to be ready). The other day I had H1N1 in an aspire on the MVP, and just casually said "Here, hit this, I got this new juice and it is soooo good, I think you'll like it." So she tries it, says "oh wow, yeah, I could do that, that's yummy." I beamed, said "nice!" and as I was walking away, she was like "wait, where are you going, aren't you going to leave that for me?" So I did a happy dance, got her all set up with her kit, filled with the Virus, and said "just enjoy it when you feel like it, no pressure, I'm super excited you like this juice." She had all kinds of questions (great sign I think), so I answered them but told her not to worry about anything - I'd keep her in juice, refill when necessary, all I did was show her how to recharge the battery. Next day, she calls me, TOTALLY UNSOLICITED, and says "I'll have you know, I've committed to only vaping this weekend. I'm going to try to completely not smoke and just vape this. I really like it, it's really satisfying." YAAAAY, so of course I'm SUPER thrilled, but didn't go overboard, just congratulated her and told her to let me know if she needed ANYTHING. She didn't smoke all weekend, only vaped, and truly enjoyed it.

Bad news: She has discovered, that every time she vaped (which, she wasn't chain vaping at all, because she isn't a heavy smoker - only smokes about a half a pack of ultra lights a day, and it's mostly in the evening, so she was just casually vaping off and on in the evenings, 12mg), she gets a blinding headache. But it happened Fri, Sat, and Sunday - she'd be fine all day, and then shortly after she started vaping, she'd get a really bad headache. Next morning she'd be fine, fine all day, then after vaping in the eve, it would come back.

Luckily, this hasn't turned her off to staying committed. I told her that I want her to try a lower nic juice (which I'm going to mix her some 6mg tonight using the Virus and VG, since she's not big on flavor so it should be fine if it's diluted a bit). I don't think it's nicotine withdrawal, because it wasn't happening during the day - but any thoughts on this? Also, she's diabetic, any correlation? If the lower nic doesn't work, I'm going to try 100% VG with her next, to see if it's a PG sensitivity, but I really hope that isn't it, because the Virus is the ONLY juice so far that has made her even remotely interested in trying vaping (and believe me, that's huge, because I've been working on her for MONTHS!!).

I want to take a second to say, thankyouthankyouthankyou to Pat and Claudia....all the credit goes to you ladies, because I told her about both of you before, and when I gave her the virus to try, I mentioned that it was the very juice that made Pat want to quit smoking, and that Pat reminds me so much of her, and I definitely think it helped her to hear that this can actually work for people like her - and that vaping just isn't some new fad "the kids" are getting obsessed with. I was ready to give up on her before you two made me realize there was a chance. So thank you I'm not jumping the gun yet, but you have helped in the first step in maybe saving the life of the MOST important to me in this world (besides my kids) I'm feeling super hopeful

Ok, suggestions, comments, opinions??

 

[Lois2013]

PG intolerance typicaly manifests as a sore throat, not a headache... so that's a long shot... but... keep in mind that you are manipulating two variables when you VG it down (nic content, and the PG/VG ratio). If it solves the issue, it's one or the other. I'm no "expert" but it's probably just withdrawals from quitting cigarettes. The next most likely issue is the nicotine level is too high. PG is the least likely culprit, but still plausible.

If she goes to a higher VG blend, have her monitor for a "heavy chest" - that's the symptom for "too much VG." It's a balancing act sometimes... 50/50 is the safest starter.

THANK YOU!!! That is great news....I was REALLY hoping it wasn't the PG! I had a gut feeling it was the nic too. She may just be absorbing it differently, and despite being a moderate smoker, 12mg might still just be too high for her. Or the withdrawal...either way, we can work with this

 

[Claudia P]

What about PVA, Paralyzed Veterans of America? I KNOW they do great stuff from personal experience.

My hubby died in 1996 and was a life time member, still today if I need anything I can call them and they will do whatever they can to help me out.

Good suggestion there bones. Nice moves!

 

[Lois2013]

Great news that she likes the Virus. My first thought is that the nic level is way too high for her, half a pack of ultra lights isn't much at all.

She may be a candidate for near 0 nic and just having the ability to go through the motions of smoking will be enough. I would try the 6 mg and if she still gets the headache see if Clark can make you a 3 mg bottle.

Awesome, thanks!!!

 

[Megan Kogijiki Ratchford]

As far as a headache is concerned, do keep in mind that falling off the coffin nails leaves you with a big gap in terms of what you are "missing." We get our nic fix, but it's probably not uncommon at all to have some additional side effects associated with quitting smoking.

I would definitely lower the nicotine.

PG intolerance typicaly manifests as a sore throat, not a headache... so that's a long shot... but... keep in mind that you are manipulating two variables when you VG it down (nic content, and the PG/VG ratio). If it solves the issue, it's one or the other. I'm no "expert" but it's probably just withdrawals from quitting cigarettes. The next most likely issue is the nicotine level is too high. PG is the least likely culprit, but still plausible.

If she goes to a higher VG blend, have her monitor for a "heavy chest" - that's the symptom for "too much VG." It's a balancing act sometimes... 50/50 is the safest starter.

I second this. The night after I put down the cigs and never picked them up again I had nic, I had vaping I didn't want a cig but I didn't sleep, had bad DTs, severe shakes, cold sweat everything. There is more to cigs than nicotine that's certain! And yes, her nic is also probably too high...

But good for her and good for you!!!

 

[Megan Kogijiki Ratchford]

What about PVA, Paralyzed Veterans of America? I KNOW they do great stuff from personal experience.

My hubby died in 1996 and was a life time member, still today if I need anything I can call them and they will do whatever they can to help me out.

That is a great idea too!

 

[taki1203]

I second this. The night after I put down the cigs and never picked them up again I had nic, I had vaping I didn't want a cig but I didn't sleep, had bad DTs, severe shakes, cold sweat everything. There is more to cigs than nicotine that's certain! And yes, her nic is also probably too high...

But good for her and good for you!!!

Seems all the bases were covered, only thing I'll add is maybe suggest running parallel smoking and vaping in the beginning. Sort of allows the body to adjust gradually.

 

[niterider]

I'm also voting for too much nicotine since it happens immediately after vaping. Drop it down to 6mg and see what happens. Also, as an fyi, it could be certain flavorings that trigger it. It's doubtful but possible.

 

[taki1203]

After things get settled, I need to identify a charity... I would be very open to suggestions. I'd like to dedicate the profits from the sale of the limited time flavors to a charitable cause.

Maybe https://vapeavet.org/?

 

[Megan Kogijiki Ratchford]

I just have to say this is the page of the neighbor of the beast.

 

[Kent Brooks]

THANK YOU!!! That is great news....I was REALLY hoping it wasn't the PG! I had a gut feeling it was the nic too. She may just be absorbing it differently, and despite being a moderate smoker, 12mg might still just be too high for her. Or the withdrawal...either way, we can work with this

Manipulate the variables 1 at a time if you can - I wish you had some 6mg virus for her. Need me to send some?

 

[Kent Brooks]

What about PVA, Paralyzed Veterans of America? I KNOW they do great stuff from personal experience.

My hubby died in 1996 and was a life time member, still today if I need anything I can call them and they will do whatever they can to help me out.

A personal connection - that's another one to the list. I should start a thread for this, no?

 

[Kent Brooks]

I second this. The night after I put down the cigs and never picked them up again I had nic, I had vaping I didn't want a cig but I didn't sleep, had bad DTs, severe shakes, cold sweat everything. There is more to cigs than nicotine that's certain! And yes, her nic is also probably too high...

But good for her and good for you!!!

Mad props to you and Claudia for guiding Lo through the process of "confrontation" (used in the loosest sense of the word)

 

[Claudia P]

There are a lot of veterans who get paralyzed while off duty so they don't get the service connected status and the pay and benefits that come with service connected. Even though they are veterans they have a really difficult time of it, they have to pay for their wheelchairs and medical and rehab treatment. PVA does a lot for these people, they also monitor everything in DC and go to bat for the vets to ensure than the benefits all get continue.

The service connected paralyzed veterans have pretty much everything covered by the VA but the non service connected ones are stuck with Social Security disability and Medicare and have to pay out of pocket even at a VA hospital. If you are off duty and not under orders at the time of injury your injuries are non service connected, even if you are on a military base at the time of injury.

That is a great idea too!

 

[Kent Brooks]

Seems all the bases were covered, only thing I'll add is maybe suggest running parallel smoking and vaping in the beginning. Sort of allows the body to adjust gradually.

Maybe not a bad idea - if the headaches subside with a couple drags of a cigarette - you found your culprit.

 

[Kent Brooks]

Maybe https://vapeavet.org/?

Slam dunk Taki! Nice find!

 

[Kent Brooks]

Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this... I don't know... Clones & counterfeits are the same.

Sent from a BIG phone.....Galaxy Note 3

I'm in the process of getting rid of my clones - after going through the stress of being cloned myself, I gotta be done with em... nothing personal against the folks who buy/sell/trade them... but all my clones will be gone, soon.

 

[Kent Brooks]

There are a lot of veterans who get paralyzed while off duty so they don't get the service connected status and the pay and benefits that come with service connected. Even though they are veterans they have a really difficult time of it, they have to pay for their wheelchairs and medical and rehab treatment. PVA does a lot for these people, they also monitor everything in DC and go to bat for the vets to ensure than the benefits all get continue.

The service connected paralyzed veterans have pretty much everything covered by the VA but the non service connected ones are stuck with Social Security disability and Medicare and have to pay out of pocket even at a VA hospital. If you are off duty and not under orders at the time of injury your injuries are non service connected, even if you are on a military base at the time of injury.

You all know I am close to the veterans issue, but what about Multiple Sclerosis?

 

[Claudia P]

LOL I have a little experience with older women and how we brace against anyone or anything trying to make us do anything. We are already losing control of our lives and bodies little by little so we are very protective of the choices we have left.

Mad props to you and Claudia for guiding Lo through the process of "confrontation" (used in the loosest sense of the word)

 

[bones1274]

A personal connection - that's another one to the list. I should start a thread for this, no?

There is another large online vendor who is big here on the forums that chooses a different charity each month, picks a different juice flavor each month, and donates a portion of the monthly sales of that flavor to that charity. Each month a different charity wins.