Nicotine Absorption from Juul, new study

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SleeZy

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That was the design objective for juul.

I've never understood why some folks want to vilify them for making a product that delivers nicotine in a manner similar to an actual cigarette.

This is part of the reason why:



Besides, since vaping is finally somewhat accepted in sweden nowadays, the only people i see running around with the juuls or other pod devices are youngsters.
Most if not all adults using regular mods & tanks.

That said, pods is almost the cheaper alternative now due the fact that 10ml of 18mg nic costs 6-7$.
 
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This is part of the reason why:



Besides, since vaping is finally somewhat accepted in sweden nowadays, the only people i see running around with the juuls or other pod devices are youngsters.
Most if not all adults using regular mods & tanks.

That said, pods is almost the cheaper alternative now due the fact that 10ml of 18mg nic costs 6-7$.

I really struggled to watch any of that video, its terrible. Can you give me a synopsis of what he said?
 

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I really struggled to watch any of that video, its terrible. Can you give me a synopsis of what he said?

Some of it has been said already, heavy marketing twards the younger teens.
To much nicotine just to get people hooked on/get nic high even more so than vaping, due being 60mgs +.

And worst part is that they sold over 1 milion contaminated juul pods, which surprisingly i had never heard of until i saw this clip popping up on my recommended. And he also points out it's the vaping crowd/market that gets to take the blame for juuls faults.

The guy is an orginal for sure but i'd say watch it to get a better understanding, it's just 10 mins.

I used to watch this guy early on in like 2013-2014. Haven't followed him since pretty much. So i thought it was funny this popped up in my recommended all of sudden. But he does make a good point.
 

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Katya, was that post of the group with the skateboarder at the front paid for by Juul or one of their ad. agencies? They look 17-24 years old (but what do I know) but something about it does yell "kids". (maybe it was the skateboard?) There is no doubt the company seriously messed up in its early (and some not-so-early) marketing.
Yeah, the bottom two are the ones that bother me the most.
In the first pic, the lower right "box" one also.

But mostly, they're "style/image" marketing with what looks like 21 or overs (maybe 18 or overs). I get that such is considered "iffy" for an addictive substance. But this is A) Adults and B) Marketing. And the laws have been pretty much 18 or over is legal.

It's a catch 22. What messaging do you want? "Only switch when you're old and you've smoked for a decade or more"?
 

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I forgot to add that nicotine really isn't the concern with smoking anyhow it's the addictive chemical but it's all the rest of the crap that goes along with it that's truly going to kill you. Not to say that nicotine is good for you it's not but in some places in the world at least the stuff you vape is cleaner than the air you breathe so until something is done about that I really wish that they would leave me the hell alone about what I choose to vape. That being said I don't use pods or juul I found them to be way too high nicotine for me and I don't like what happened with Juul and I do feel that they are primarily responsible for a lot of what's going on in the anti Vape World. Basically the small guys were put in charge of trying to fix what the big guys were doing or else have their businesses destroyed and that's not fair and it's also impossible your little local Vape Shop cannot control the advertising that Juul puts out.. but that's basically what the government wanted them to do apparently. I don't recall ever seen an ad for an e-cigarette unless I was searching for something related to e-cigarettes until blu ecig came out and then I was seeing ads everywhere and hearing them on the radio and that's when I knew that we were screwed. Also I do want people to have choice I want you to be able to use a juul if that's what works for you but if getting rid of juul is the thing that's going to save all the other devices then I would be all for it because I'm selfish and I want to be able to continue to use my open system but it's not very likely that that's going to happen because from what I understand the FDA has already said that only a closed pod system would get through so we're right back to square one where the very thing that caused most of this trouble not the lung Illness but the rest of it is the only thing that's likely to get through deeming
 
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    Pico with a top tank running 6mg/ml juice with a 0.5 ohm coil at 32W DL style. If I have both and am free to use both I only use the Pico. If I need to be stealth is only when I use the Juul.

    I think the Juul will still deliver nicotine a little faster, but if you enjoy the DL vape more so you vape a bit more, it would be about equal. 6 mg at 32W would be approx. the same as 60 mg at 3.2W. I don't know how much power Juuls actually run, surely between 3.2 and 6.4 . The biggest difference is it would probably be easier to consume a lot more with the Juul, with DL you kind of already are.
     
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    I will read the links later but here is a big old "I don't care" from me.

    Someone had to capture the teen market because there was GONNA be one no matter what.

    Also, if there were NO vaping, there would be the same subset of teens, smoking.. And that would suck.

    JMHO AS ALWAYS.

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    Would vodka be too much alcohol vs a bottle wine or a can of beer? Should one be concerned about becoming an alcoholic if consuming a higher alcohol content vs something that is lower? Or should they accept responsibility and moderate their intake?

    A local retailer conducted a study based on their own sales. They do not sell Juul or any BT products but do offer custom user selected nicotine content. 32% of e-juice sales were nic salts. And out of that 32%, nicotine content between 45 and 50mg/ml was the second highest seller. Out of nic salt users, high nic content seems to be a popular choice. Guess they are all just drunk nic junkies.

    The marketing posted on the previous page is quite alarming. But in Juul’s defence they are not the only vape company whose marketing seems to target younger generations. Not allowed here in Canada, but I have seen BT vape sponsored dance/club/all ages concerts in the US. Sure, Juul could be at fault for targeting youth, but if we are to point a finger at them then we should point the finger at all.

    As for the million contaminated pods. A few media outlets, who’s objective to date is to tarnish vaping is not what I would consider concreate proof there was contamination - which has yet to be defined. Seems Mr Indoor Smoker wants to pick and choose what he believes in and what he does not believe from these news streams. Screams false news when e-cigs are to blame for lung illnesses but backs up the claims that Juul is selling contaminated product because it fits more in line with his YT channel and subjective opinions. At the rate Juul sells it’s product, it is probable to have that much inventory sitting around, getting old and exceeding its expiration date (which is unknown). What is the shelf life of e-juice? And not all e-juice sold has a process date that could allow the consumer to make a conscience decision on whether it is expired or not. Don’t know about anyone else, but I have purchased e-juice online that seemed to me it was made back when Moses was rocking Birkenstocks!

    Remove Juul from the picture and the next large vaping company would fall right into the sights of anti vaping. Teens would find an alternative and continue to vape, and BT will continue to test the boundaries of acceptable marketing.
     
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    So young adults should smoke for a decade or three before they switch to vaping?
    I didn't say that. I'm talking about marketing practices. Underaged young adults shouldn't smoke or vape, period. You can tell what niche of the population a company is marketing to by their ads. Juul's early ads showed young models who could have easily passed as older teenagers who were wearing contemporary modern clothing that would not likely appeal to anyone over twenty five.

    Back in the day when I was underage to smoke or drink, we knew which stores we would be more likely to "score" from. Usually a gas station, convenience store, or a carryout that was negligent to check for ID's. Seems like things haven't changed much since then. Go into one of those establishments today and see what vaping products they sell alongside of cigarettes: Juul, Blu, Vuse. All closed system products by Big Tobacco. You don't see the open system products that vape shops sell and who have the reputation of checking photo ID's.

    Going into middle and high schools to "educate" the students about smoking/vaping and declaring that their product was totally "safe" seems to be a bit excessive, especially since that went over and beyond what the FDA said e-cigarette vendors could say to customers. When I worked at the vape shop I couldn't tell customers that vaping was safe nor was it considered a medical smoking cessation tool. The only thing we could claim in the store was vaping was an alternative nicotine delivery system that didn't use combustion or smoke.

    And although Juul claimed that their high nic device was "designed" for heavy, 2 - 3 pack per day smokers, they had to have recognized that the potential for youth abuse was high. That was my initial thought when I first heard of Juul's 50mg nicotine cartridges. "Kids are gonna figure out they can get a nic high using those." I'm sure I wasn't the only one.

    Juul and its Big Tobacco contempories quickly gained the highest market share. A large part of that popularity was who sold their product, you could find it wherever cigarettes were sold, and also was easy for older kids to get their hands on. Vape shops on the other hand were much more responsible of not selling to youth. Their larger, open system devices were not as appealing to youth and were harder to get their hands on.

    So, I don't consider Big Tobacco to be part of the vaping industry. None of the BT companies are in the vaping trade associations. Both groups took different paths in marketing, techology, and product availability. But the bad actors from BT used all of the old stunts of their combustable products and the "legitimate" (for lack of a better word) vapor companies got blamed for their poor ethics and bad play.
     
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    I spent time with my ex last week. She’s been using a Juul t stop smoking. I let her try my mod which was a mech with a FLVR on top (fairly restricted DL) with a 0.5 ohm round coil and 6 mg Raspberry Pancakes. She complained it was way too strong for her.
     

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    I spent time with my ex last week. She’s been using a Juul t stop smoking. I let her try my mod which was a mech with a FLVR on top (fairly restricted DL) with a 0.5 ohm round coil and 6 mg Raspberry Pancakes. She complained it was way too strong for her.
    was the Raspberry Pancakes freebase or salts?
     
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    I find it interesting that a school system would allow a tobacco/vape company to educate on the dangers/risks of such products? If educating on the dangers of street drugs, do they call in the local dealer, or go straight to the cartel king pin? “Today class we have special guest Pablo Escobar to teach us on the dangers of c0cain.”

    It’s been a while since I’ve been in school, perhaps times have changed. Back in the day, along with support from my fellow male classmates, I requested that a hot “female” representative from the adult industry be brought in to give a hands on demonstration on sex education. Sad to say that my hormonal pubescent hopes were not granted. :(
     
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