Yeah, that makes sense. When I was using 24mg I had an EVOD. Now I mostly use protanks with my own wicks and coils. And I got a Lemo a while ago. With that I was going through juice really fast and giving myself a headache so I dropped down to 6mg.
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Yeah, that makes sense. When I was using 24mg I had an EVOD. Now I mostly use protanks with my own wicks and coils. And I got a Lemo a while ago. With that I was going through juice really fast and giving myself a headache so I dropped down to 6mg.
I am going by memory here. I will be sure to watch the replay when it is available, and find the paper if it is available when I have time. As I recall, these were in general >1 year vapers, so they had all gotten past the hump. Very experienced vapers, mostly using APVs, tanks, etc. But it was a mean nic level, and I'm sure there were some at higher than when they were smoking, and some lower. But as a whole, we tend to gravitate to where we were before switching.
The conclusions I draw are this: don't over-analyze the level you are at. If it is too high for you with the grear you are using at the moment, your body will tell you. If it is too low, same thing. If you are vaping more or less without a lot of thought, that is. Absent mindedly puffing as you are focused on something else. People smoke at the same PAD for decades. Its not easy to abuse nicotine, the body self regulates it. But if you are consciously wanting to cut down on the nic, it appears to be easier (less dependence) than smoking. This is because it seems to be harder to get that initial rapid spike in blood levels like the first smoke in the morning. Nic levels rise slower, and also taper off slower, so with vaping you tend to have more of a constant nic level in the blood, rather than the roller coaster of having a smoke every hour or so. Foulds said on average vaping gives more of a nic patch effect than a cigarette effect. I think oral tobacco is more like that too, like snus.
But while this is really fascinating to me, much more on topic for this thread: I also like VT TH more than VT regular. I get virtually no taste from it at all, just more TH and a bit of tickle in the nose. But on a scale of 0 - 10 for pepper, if VT regular is a 0, and MFS vintage 2010 is a 10 on the pepper scale (harshest nic I know of), I put VT TH around a 3. It lets you know its there, but it doesn't crash the party.
The conclusions I draw are this: don't over-analyze the level you are at. If it is too high for you with the grear you are using at the moment, your body will tell you. If it is too low, same thing. If you are vaping more or less without a lot of thought, that is. Absent mindedly puffing as you are focused on something else. People smoke at the same PAD for decades. Its not easy to abuse nicotine, the body self regulates it. But if you are consciously wanting to cut down on the nic, it appears to be easier (less dependence) than smoking. This is because it seems to be harder to get that initial rapid spike in blood levels like the first smoke in the morning. Nic levels rise slower, and also taper off slower, so with vaping you tend to have more of a constant nic level in the blood, rather than the roller coaster of having a smoke every hour or so. Foulds said on average vaping gives more of a nic patch effect than a cigarette effect. I think oral tobacco is more like that too, like snus.
But while this is really fascinating to me, much more on topic for this thread: I also like VT TH more than VT regular. I get virtually no taste from it at all, just more TH and a bit of tickle in the nose. But on a scale of 0 - 10 for pepper, if VT regular is a 0, and MFS vintage 2010 is a 10 on the pepper scale (harshest nic I know of), I put VT TH around a 3. It lets you know its there, but it doesn't crash the party.
An hour? Only under duress! There wasn't much of a roller-coaster if you consistently lit a new one within 10 minutes of putting out the last one.
An hour? Only under duress! There wasn't much of a roller-coaster if you consistently lit a new one within 10 minutes of putting out the last one.
That's pretty much how I was, and if I was drinking I was lighting a fresh one with one hand while putting out the last one with the other.
I'm going to order from Heartland, does anyone have a coupon code?
Try "diyrecipes", or order enuf that the shipping is free maybe.
"diyrecipes is good for 5% off anything in the diy section and on liters of nic."
Ok, thanks, will give that a try.I won't order a large amount of nic liquid as i plan on trying ECX and comparing them!
Dang it my subscription to this thread got removed.. Again..
I've been through a few NICs lately. Ready for another order. In the last year I've had..
wizard labs, which seemed good, potent but over time, 6+ months in the cabinet it got a, tainted, very strong smell to me.
MFS late 2014, after the fiasco, was good no issues. Nothing too strong a good medium nic. Clean and clear.
Just tried the RTS; it is good, very flavorless but worked fine for me. Seemed to be very good quality probably similar to VT. (Never tried it)
So I'm stopping by to see where the good nic is lately that I may want to try. Otherwise for the price I was considering RTS again since I get all my flavoring there too.
I've been through a few NICs lately. Ready for another order. In the last year I've had..
wizard labs, which seemed good, potent but over time, 6+ months in the cabinet it got a, tainted, very strong smell to me.
MFS late 2014, after the fiasco, was good no issues. Nothing too strong a good medium nic. Clean and clear.
Just tried the RTS; it is good, very flavorless but worked fine for me. Seemed to be very good quality probably similar to VT. (Never tried it)
So I'm stopping by to see where the good nic is lately that I may want to try. Otherwise for the price I was considering RTS again since I get all my flavoring there too.
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One other important thing to me personally is the bottling. For example,
RTS had the best bottle recently, good dark plastic, child proof lid - thank you! Rts has excellent packing & shipping. One of the best.
Mfs use to have glass, with child proof, changed to plastic maybe temporarily when I got it. - no child proof lid. ?? Edit - Looks like they got the glass back with child proof!
Wizard labs comes in a big pill bottle, wth, and no child proof lid.
ECX that I got in 2013 come in a weird square medicine bottle wide mouth top. No child proof.
RTS had the best bottle recently, good dark plastic, child proof lid - thank you! Rts has excellent packing & shipping. One of the best.
Mfs use to have glass, with child proof, changed to plastic maybe temporarily when I got it. - no child proof lid. ?? Edit - Looks like they got the glass back with child proof!
Wizard labs comes in a big pill bottle, wth, and no child proof lid.
ECX that I got in 2013 come in a weird square medicine bottle wide mouth top. No child proof.
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You might want to check out VT's TH nic. Last time I ck'd the price was very good and many have given it a thumbs up.
NN has a free sample with the price of shipping - why not?
Well the price on the old/aired out TH nic is dirt cheap $10 for a 120ml 100mg sample.. Almost seems wrong. Lowest price of any so I may jump on it... Although I was avoiding the vt hype.. For that money not much to lose, unless the shipping kills the deal.
I like a strong th nic, but not kerosene strong. Lol
I like a strong th nic, but not kerosene strong. Lol
Jeremy,
Far be it for me to advise you on what you like or don't like. I'll offer my perspective, though.
Vaperstek Throat Hit nic occupies a meaningful niche between the "purity" and relatively low throat hit of VT Regular at one end of the scale and the much higher impact throat hit (and accompanying side flavors) of various other nics discussed on this thread---including Heartland, RTS, and MFS---at the other end.
I like ALL of them and decide which to use based on the individual juice I'm making. Most of my stash of one-liter-bottle nics stay in the freezer, but I keep smaller, 120 or 240ml bottles of VT Regular, VT Throat Hit, and one of the other, more aggressive nics (right now, it's Heartland) in the fridge to periodically refill the 30ml nic bottles in my DIY bases/nics drawer that I use in day-to-day juice-making.
I tend to mix fruit eliquids using VT Regular, dessert juices with VT Throat Hit, and natural tobacco liquids with Heartland, but that's not a hard-and-fast rule. Sometimes I switch which nic I use based on mood or whim.
I've never heard VT associated with that keresone taste - and I do know what your talking about there. In fact, I tend to associate that flavor with some of the vendors you like.
So taste is subjective? I thought Kurt had a good description earlier.Here's another vendor saying there is US nicotine.
https://www.facebook.com/thevapekit...41827.224522441076377/374041086124511/?type=1
Brand TruNic
http://trunicotine.com/
https://www.facebook.com/thevapekit...41827.224522441076377/374041086124511/?type=1
Brand TruNic
http://trunicotine.com/
i meant i like strong TH but some strong NICs have a kerosene note sometime.. I was not referring to VT.
I also only mix tobacco juices.
I also only mix tobacco juices.
I just didn't want you to have the wrong impression. I guess the nic is infused with oxegyn - not the same process as oxidation. It's enough to give a throat hit otherwise VT's nic is known for smooth, i.e. no hit.
Dang Aikanai, that's the first I've heard of this brand.. It could be good. 45.00 for 250ml of 100mg.. ($65 for 500ml) .. Kinda steep but could be worth it... I really considering guinea piggin it.. They make a lot of big claims..
I take it no one has tried it yet..??.. I'm gonna kick it around tonight, I may order it.. Thanks!! I'm kinda excited, it could be the holy grail nic. (Or crap, lol)
Here's and excerpt from thier site.
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I know what it is.. That why I said aired out/ aged VT. Its probably too weak for my throat.
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