Me too.. ordered pg and nic from extreme vaping.
I wonder how much extra nic I've shoving into my system thanks to rts
I wonder how much extra nic I've shoving into my system thanks to rts
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Some of the posts in ECF seem to indicate that Nicotine = TH. There are inexpensive test kits available. I wonder if any have tested RTS for nicotine level.
I'm certainly glad you are all sharing these experiences, its again making me feel slightly less insane 
And welcome Ehvam, fellow NYer!
Keep us posted on the results everyone, I hope you like ECX as much as I do, Linnx has some serious magic going on over there.
Cool I really don't know. I do believe that TH, or what I experience as TH, really amounts to an effect of nicotine. I still believe its just irritation of the mucosal linings of the mouth/nose/throat etc via chemorecptors etc. So my sense is that if TH isn't there, something is off.
RTS was entirely unique among the lot of nics I still have here and play with in its lack of TH. Sure there were variations among the other 6 nicotines (pepper up, pepper down, alkaline up, alkaline down) but TH was always there in a fairly consistent and predictable way, e.g. scaling with nic concentration
I guess the possible explanations are
1) something in titration and after the fact processing mellows it out
2) something is ADDED to mellow it out (possibly an acid, citric, malic, acetic)
3) the nic is lower than we think
4) we're totally wrong in attributing TH to nic, and its actually something else (residual contaminants?)
I tend to think 3 is off, mostly because our beloved chemist Kurt has tested RTS and says its dead on, the man's word means quite a bit to me. I do have a nic test kit, I could test my batch, perhaps this weekend if I can stop messing around with my RBAs lol
I also tend to think 4 is totally off. I started using Swedish Snus from time to time, and it does to my gums, lips, etc exactly what vaping does to my throat (tingle, burn, tickle....followed by an "ahhhhhhhhhh" like a glass of water when you're thirsty) In fact when you swallow there's a familiar feeling on the throat, and its TH. So that lends credence to the nic = TH theory in my mind.
But something is certainly going on here, there are at least the people in this thread that have voiced their experiences, plus a vendor who told me in confidence that their customers were complaining that the company's juices lacked TH. Guess what nicotine this company uses in its blends...
And welcome Ehvam, fellow NYer!
Keep us posted on the results everyone, I hope you like ECX as much as I do, Linnx has some serious magic going on over there.
Cool I really don't know. I do believe that TH, or what I experience as TH, really amounts to an effect of nicotine. I still believe its just irritation of the mucosal linings of the mouth/nose/throat etc via chemorecptors etc. So my sense is that if TH isn't there, something is off.
RTS was entirely unique among the lot of nics I still have here and play with in its lack of TH. Sure there were variations among the other 6 nicotines (pepper up, pepper down, alkaline up, alkaline down) but TH was always there in a fairly consistent and predictable way, e.g. scaling with nic concentration
I guess the possible explanations are
1) something in titration and after the fact processing mellows it out
2) something is ADDED to mellow it out (possibly an acid, citric, malic, acetic)
3) the nic is lower than we think
4) we're totally wrong in attributing TH to nic, and its actually something else (residual contaminants?)
I tend to think 3 is off, mostly because our beloved chemist Kurt has tested RTS and says its dead on, the man's word means quite a bit to me. I do have a nic test kit, I could test my batch, perhaps this weekend if I can stop messing around with my RBAs lol
I also tend to think 4 is totally off. I started using Swedish Snus from time to time, and it does to my gums, lips, etc exactly what vaping does to my throat (tingle, burn, tickle....followed by an "ahhhhhhhhhh" like a glass of water when you're thirsty) In fact when you swallow there's a familiar feeling on the throat, and its TH. So that lends credence to the nic = TH theory in my mind.
But something is certainly going on here, there are at least the people in this thread that have voiced their experiences, plus a vendor who told me in confidence that their customers were complaining that the company's juices lacked TH. Guess what nicotine this company uses in its blends...
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There's a VapeMeet in town on Saturday. I'm hoping to sell my 200+ ml bottle of not RTS nicotine base if I go. I'd like to try ECX. I've enjoyed doing business with them on flavorings. As well, I think thier web page displays nicely. The only draw back to the page might be that there is so much product there, at least in the flavorings department, that it can take a bit to sort it all out.
...trust but verify..?
Me too, I need to back away and do some normal people things for a while. (...doesn't mean I will.)
Of course, we should verify, especially considering batch to batch variation issues.
Its just I despair of producing anything reliable with my simple test kit vs. a seasoned chemist
That and I'm actually out of RTS I just realized LOL
Its just I despair of producing anything reliable with my simple test kit vs. a seasoned chemist
That and I'm actually out of RTS I just realized LOL
I felt the same exact way as you did, a year ago. Don't give up. Get some good nic
I actually tasted the straight RTS 100mg. at the time I had it. There was a faint tingle. That told me everything I needed to know.I'm certainly glad you are all sharing these experiences, its again making me feel slightly less insane
And welcome Ehvam, fellow NYer!
Keep us posted on the results everyone, I hope you like ECX as much as I do, Linnx has some serious magic going on over there.
Cool I really don't know. I do believe that TH, or what I experience as TH, really amounts to an effect of nicotine. I still believe its just irritation of the mucosal linings of the mouth/nose/throat etc via chemorecptors etc. So my sense is that if TH isn't there, something is off.
RTS was entirely unique among the lot of nics I still have here and play with in its lack of TH. Sure there were variations among the other 6 nicotines (pepper up, pepper down, alkaline up, alkaline down) but TH was always there in a fairly consistent and predictable way, e.g. scaling with nic concentration
I guess the possible explanations are
1) something in titration and after the fact processing mellows it out
2) something is ADDED to mellow it out (possibly an acid, citric, malic, acetic)
3) the nic is lower than we think
4) we're totally wrong in attributing TH to nic, and its actually something else (residual contaminants?)
I tend to think 3 is off, mostly because our beloved chemist Kurt has tested RTS and says its dead on, the man's word means quite a bit to me. I do have a nic test kit, I could test my batch, perhaps this weekend if I can stop messing around with my RBAs lol
I also tend to think 4 is totally off. I started using Swedish Snus from time to time, and it does to my gums, lips, etc exactly what vaping does to my throat (tingle, burn, tickle....followed by an "ahhhhhhhhhh" like a glass of water when you're thirsty) In fact when you swallow there's a familiar feeling on the throat, and its TH. So that lends credence to the nic = TH theory in my mind.
But something is certainly going on here, there are at least the people in this thread that have voiced their experiences, plus a vendor who told me in confidence that their customers were complaining that the company's juices lacked TH. Guess what nicotine this company uses in its blends...
I'm certainly glad you are all sharing these experiences, its again making me feel slightly less insane
And welcome Ehvam, fellow NYer!
Keep us posted on the results everyone, I hope you like ECX as much as I do, Linnx has some serious magic going on over there.
Cool I really don't know. I do believe that TH, or what I experience as TH, really amounts to an effect of nicotine. I still believe its just irritation of the mucosal linings of the mouth/nose/throat etc via chemorecptors etc. So my sense is that if TH isn't there, something is off.
RTS was entirely unique among the lot of nics I still have here and play with in its lack of TH. Sure there were variations among the other 6 nicotines (pepper up, pepper down, alkaline up, alkaline down) but TH was always there in a fairly consistent and predictable way, e.g. scaling with nic concentration
I guess the possible explanations are
1) something in titration and after the fact processing mellows it out
2) something is ADDED to mellow it out (possibly an acid, citric, malic, acetic)
3) the nic is lower than we think
4) we're totally wrong in attributing TH to nic, and its actually something else (residual contaminants?)
I tend to think 3 is off, mostly because our beloved chemist Kurt has tested RTS and says its dead on, the man's word means quite a bit to me. I do have a nic test kit, I could test my batch, perhaps this weekend if I can stop messing around with my RBAs lol
I also tend to think 4 is totally off. I started using Swedish Snus from time to time, and it does to my gums, lips, etc exactly what vaping does to my throat (tingle, burn, tickle....followed by an "ahhhhhhhhhh" like a glass of water when you're thirsty) In fact when you swallow there's a familiar feeling on the throat, and its TH. So that lends credence to the nic = TH theory in my mind.
But something is certainly going on here, there are at least the people in this thread that have voiced their experiences, plus a vendor who told me in confidence that their customers were complaining that the company's juices lacked TH. Guess what nicotine this company uses in its blends...
Hi Cyrus, stopping by again with some comments and a question or 2.
First let me preface with an explanation/apology for popping in and out of your thread and not contributing my experiences with the nics that are being discussed in this thread. My sense of smell and taste are extremely desensitized, so I unfortunately have nothing to add regarding taste or smell of nic liquid. The reason for this is I am a truck driver, specifically a chemical tanker driver. After years of living in truckstops and being in and out of hundreds of chemical plants and wastewater treatment plants, if a smell or taste doesn't gag me it's ok with me. In 4 years of vaping I've never thrown out a store bought or diy liquid for being unvapeable. So, I don't consider myself qualified to comment on the smell or taste of a nic liquid.
However I am very interested in this thread and grateful to all contributors. Heres hoping that it continues on and we all learn and profit from it.
Moving On....
I have been under the impression that titration is an analysis method and don't understand how that could affect the the end product. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
I think you are right on here, I have seen several posts on ECF that the nic level tests out to be accurate.
I think the nic level does have something to do with TH. Over the past year or so I have been reducing my nic level from 36mg to now down to 10 mg. Over that time I have noticed that the TH has gone from being a irritation/shock type hit to more of a smooth "fullness" type of hit. If that makes any sense.
Agreed. My own personal thoughts is that you covered it with 2).
How many guesses and whats the prize?
I have a couple small bottles of RTS left and a couple from MFS. Nic from ECX on the way. Think I might mix the 2 I have to make my base mix.
@casey: titration was the wrong word. I guess I was thinking of 'after the fact processing' of bulk nic. No worries on any lack of reviews, I enjoy your company either way. I only nudge people for commentary because I get tired of my own barking believe it or not lol. And I hear you on the chemicals. I'm going into a field where I'm going to be immersed in the smell of formalin, and its already taking a toll lol
@Jimi: dude please be careful LOL
@ Fran: that would probably give you the oomph you're looking for!
EDIT: And as far as the prize, sometimes I do keep my mouth shut believe it or not
@Jimi: dude please be careful LOL
@ Fran: that would probably give you the oomph you're looking for!
EDIT: And as far as the prize, sometimes I do keep my mouth shut believe it or not
Looks like RTS is now posting their COA on their website
(And someone (was it us?) has attracted elicited a somewhat obnoxious and defensive post about pricing, USA vs. China, American vs. Chinese nic, etc in that thread).
I don't personally know any rocket scientists, but I do like charts. I also enjoy and support my fellow vapers that try to organize data that is often overwhelming for the noob and vet alike to sort through when making purchasing decisions.
Keep voicing your opinions my friends, and keep extending the helping hand to all. That's what this is all about.
(And someone (was it us?) has attracted elicited a somewhat obnoxious and defensive post about pricing, USA vs. China, American vs. Chinese nic, etc in that thread).
I don't personally know any rocket scientists, but I do like charts. I also enjoy and support my fellow vapers that try to organize data that is often overwhelming for the noob and vet alike to sort through when making purchasing decisions.
Keep voicing your opinions my friends, and keep extending the helping hand to all. That's what this is all about.
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back to unflavored today
VZ at 50/50 PG/VG, 15 mg in my DID on the Provari, damn that's good. Lots of driving today.
VZ at 50/50 PG/VG, 15 mg in my DID on the Provari, damn that's good. Lots of driving today.
Saw that the other day. That is a good thing all nic vendors should do.
Did you notice anything odd in the nic MSDS posted on the same page?
I think that came from here. A nice price comparison spreadsheet resulted from that thread.
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