Nicotine Comparisons

[Kurt]

In light of the above, are there other plausible, reasonable ways to increase the workability and wicking of Vegetable Glycerin short of heat?

I suppose a little PGA would help that, but I don't have much experience with PGA or vodka, and I don't use it currently. If they could develop a good bottom-coil rebuildable tank atomizer, that might do it. Also in my experience, cotton in RBAs (or even a protank) wicks better than silica. It also keeps the coil from getting as hot as silica does, at least in the preliminary tests that have been done.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

I suppose a little PGA would help that, but I don't have much experience with PGA or vodka, and I don't use it currently. If they could develop a good bottom-coil rebuildable tank atomizer, that might do it. Also in my experience, cotton in RBAs (or even a protank) wicks better than silica. It also keeps the coil from getting as hot as silica does, at least in the preliminary tests that have been done.

I've used PGA to thin VG. Along your lines of reasoning, I had thought it would vaporize more so than water.
I use Rayon wicks per our JeremyR.

 

[Rossum]

Turns out this is a difficult question to answer. O2 solubilities in PG or VG depend on temperature, and results from different studies even at similar temperatures are divergent. In general, it appears that O2 is less soluble in these compared to water (7.6 mg·L−1 at 20C) because O2 solubility falls off in water and VG or PG solutions as the %VG or %PG increases. Hard to say which one, PG or VG, is lower than the other. But it seems introducing water will increase the natural solubility of O2 in PG or VG.

Appreciate you trying. I did some rudimentary googling before I asked but didn't come up with much at all.

I have yet to see any change in my glass-stored nic for 5.5 years now. And I don't expect to see any change. Most is unthinned VG-nic, some has up to 12% water.

5.5 years, eh? That makes me hopeful since my remaining life expectancy is close to 30 years.

 

[krewblink]

NN is a bit to harsh at 30 pg 70 vg i vape six and i am very very sensitive to strong throat hits. It was strong for me. Did not like it too much, Very Clean tasting nic though.
VT nic clean tasting and you def get what you pay for. The throat hit was a little rough for me at 50/50. Not as bad as NN. Def clean tasting.
Heartlands. Its a smooth throat hit in the beginning, Clean tasting in the beginning as well. as soon as it steeps it becomes a different nicotine very peppery and harsh.
Im giving Nicselect a try ill post with updates i guess they have improved we will see.

Anyone notice a difference after 10 days steep time in their finished product regarding nicotine Some get harsh on the throat? any brand?I feel great nicotine should be the same as day 1?

 

[Kurt]

I've used PGA to thin VG. Along your lines of reasoning, I had thought it would vaporize more so than water.
I use Rayon wicks per our JeremyR.

Never used Rayon. If they made a silica cotton that would be good. I think there is thermal "buffering" with less ordered cotton (entropy argument).

And yes, the PGA will vaporize faster than the VG. And faster than water too. Not sure how to avoid this, even with a bottom coil setup. The juice in my protanks also gets thicker as time goes on. And flavor fades too. One would have to somehow continually add thinning liquid and monitor the viscosity, and I don't think we are even close to that tech wise. Its a tough nut to crack!

 

[Jimi D.]

Never used Rayon. If they made a silica cotton that would be good. I think there is thermal "buffering" with less ordered cotton (entropy argument).

And yes, the PGA will vaporize faster than the VG. And faster than water too. Not sure how to avoid this, even with a bottom coil setup. The juice in my protanks also gets thicker as time goes on. And flavor fades too. One would have to somehow continually add thinning liquid and monitor the viscosity, and I don't think we are even close to that tech wise. Its a tough nut to crack!

Hmm that gives me a idea. I have German silica I could unravel. Thanks !

 

[squee]

Heartlands. Its a smooth throat hit in the beginning, Clean tasting in the beginning as well. as soon as it steeps it becomes a different nicotine very peppery and harsh.
Im giving Nicselect a try ill post with updates i guess they have improved we will see.

Anyone notice a difference after 10 days steep time in their finished product regarding nicotine Some get harsh on the throat? any brand?I feel great nicotine should be the same as day 1?

I haven't noticed that with any of the ones I've tried. Are you using PG or VG based nic?

Right now, I'm vaping a cinnamon danish that I made last august with the replacement bottle I was sent from Vices (which I believe is Nic Select). It was actually 'too smooth' at this point, so I added some cinnamon spice to get some kick into it.

A few days ago, I cracked open a bottle of white coconut cake that I made back in January with Heartland vg nic (nic bought in Sept and frozen til Jan). It was nice and smooth, no off taste. (too much caps custard in the recipe for my taste but that's nothing to do with the nic )

What I'm back and forth on now is, I want to order another couple of liters for freezer storage. I'd like to get more of the VT TH nic but I'm concerned about what the added oxygenation to get the throat hit does to long-term storage concerns. Will it oxidize or "go bad" faster even with freezer storage (keep in mind, this is only residential normal freezer temps, not sub zero)? If so, then I'll go with some Heartland PG nic this time.

Anyone have any info on long-term viability of the TH nic?

 

[AlphaX]

What I'm back and forth on now is, I want to order another couple of liters for freezer storage. I'd like to get more of the VT TH nic but I'm concerned about what the added oxygenation to get the throat hit does to long-term storage concerns. Will it oxidize or "go bad" faster even with freezer storage (keep in mind, this is only residential normal freezer temps, not sub zero)? If so, then I'll go with some Heartland PG nic this time.

Anyone have any info on long-term viability of the TH nic?

That's been one of my concerns too, its only been a month or more but mine has held up well, I have noticed no change in taste although I think its way to early to tell. Whats it like after a year or two in the freezer? not sure, but it would be nice to know.

 

[Marcelina]

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Vape Maniac

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[dioliv]

Hi Marcelina and thanks for the correction!
Now and after many liters of your nic base I know that!!! [emoji6]

Thanks alot!

Vape Maniac

 

[Jimi D.]

I'm vaping 12mg Nic Select that I received from Vices yesterday. It's PG based 100 mg. The odor is pretty faint from the 100 mg, which made me feel better. The taste has a faint tobacco flavor to it. It's not bad, but it's not neutral. There is a bit of peppery feel on the nose exhale. If I was to mix in flavorings. Tobacco, mints would be fine. Not so much with dessert, fruit types. This nic is better than what I ordered awhile back. But not what was mentioned a few posts back. It's our choice on what to decide. This is why they call it DIY

 

[squee]

I'm vaping 12mg Nic Select that I received from Vices yesterday. It's PG based 100 mg. The odor is pretty faint from the 100 mg, which made me feel better. The taste has a faint tobacco flavor to it. It's not bad, but it's not neutral. There is a bit of peppery feel on the nose exhale. If I was to mix in flavorings. Tobacco, mints would be fine. Not so much with dessert, fruit types. This nic is better than what I ordered awhile back. But not what was mentioned a few posts back. It's our choice on what to decide. This is why they call it DIY

That may be more a Vices issue than Nic Select. My first order from them almost a year ago, the nic received was heavily oxidized (you can see the pic on my previous post, nic bottle in the middle Nic base from Vices Electronic Cigarettes? | ECF )

When I complained and sent it back to them for a replacement, they were out of stock. So the replacement bottle I was sent was truly "fresh" (new stock) and had limited handling from them. And it was great, crystal clear, no off odors, didn't smell like an ashtray. I think that whoever is handling the nic for Vices either doesn't use best practices when handling nic or they don't store it properly.

For me anyway, I would definitely order Nic Select again but I would not order it from Vices again

 

[Jimi D.]

That may be more a Vices issue than Nic Select. My first order from them almost a year ago, the nic received was heavily oxidized (you can see the pic on my previous post, nic bottle in the middle Nic base from Vices Electronic Cigarettes? | ECF )

When I complained and sent it back to them for a replacement, they were out of stock. So the replacement bottle I was sent was truly "fresh" (new stock) and had limited handling from them. And it was great, crystal clear, no off odors, didn't smell like an ashtray. I think that whoever is handling the nic for Vices either doesn't use best practices when handling nic or they don't store it properly.

For me anyway, I would definitely order Nic Select again but I would not order it from Vices again

This batch I received is clear. Not oxidized at all. I wouldn't have vaped yellow stuff Where do you recommend better Nic Select ? Even though I don't think there was nothing wrong with the batch that was just sent.

 

[Dixie1954]

I have a question for a friend - they buy from Liberty Flight and their 54mg nic comes in as an orange/brownish color - is this ok?

 

[BigEgo]

So what's the deal with NN? I've been reading a few horror stories of people receiving nic that is almost 200mg/ml when they ordered 100mg. Seems to be numerous people too. With all of their bragging about having a high tech lab, one would think this would not happen.

 

[Rossum]

So what's the deal with NN? I've been reading a few horror stories of people receiving nic that is almost 200mg/ml when they ordered 100mg. Seems to be numerous people too.

Really? Where have you been reading this?

Personally, I wouldn't consider it all that horrible to get twice the nic I paid for.

 

[BigEgo]

Really? Where have you been reading this?

Personally, I wouldn't consider it all that horrible to get twice the nic I paid for.

Reddit. One guy even posted a video of himself doing a titration test on his nic batch. Tested out way more than 100mg/ml. But it wasn't just him -- numerous people have complained about NN's nic feeling stronger than what they ordered.

 

[WillyZee]

I have a question for a friend - they buy from Liberty Flight and their 54mg nic comes in as an orange/brownish color - is this ok?

as long as it tastes Ok, then it should be fine.

 

[Rossum]

Reddit. One guy even posted a video of himself doing a titration test on his nic batch. Tested out way more than 100mg/ml. But it wasn't just him -- numerous people have complained about NN's nic feeling stronger than what they ordered.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like 100% of these complaints are from people who buy their nic in straight VG?

 

[BigEgo]

Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like 100% of these complaints are from people who buy their nic in straight VG?

The one's I have seen, yes. They were told by NN to shake it well. This wasn't a satisfactory answer to them because they claim they did that.

I guess this could happen with any nic vendor, though. I suppose it's wise for people who are concerned to do their own titration tests. They may not be as accurate as what a professional lab can do, but such tests will let you know if the nic concentration is way out of range.