Nicotine Comparisons

[sketchness]

Well, I followed my own advice and I have learned a valuable lesson....price should not matter when purchasing nic. This was my 1st order from Heartland vapes and I am disappointed.

I know it is hot just about everywhere, so I expected the box to be hot, but even tho it was packaged great with lots of bubble wrap in a very sturdy box, the container itself was very warm to the touch.

The nic as suppose to be all vg and I went ahead and shook it up, sounded really thin, like pg, plus I could tell there was a lot of room still left in the container. I waited for it to cool down before splitting it up between 4 8 ounce bottles.

Either they really thin their vg or someone made a label error when packaging.

To top that off, it was short by a lot. I expected to have some left over from filling to be able to leave out and to try. Since you purchase 1 litre which is equal to 1000 ml (and their label on the bottle says 1000 ml)and you split that among 4 8 ounce bottles that equal to 236.588ml per bottle you expect a little left over.

I was 50 ml short. Had to add 50 ml vg just to finish filling the 4th bottle. So that means not only the 50 ml short but the extra 50-ish ml I should have had left over anyway. So I'm thinking about 100 ml short. That is a lot in my book.

Not sure if I should email heartland and complain or just leave it alone and never order from them again. I have more than enough nic to last me for at least 20-25 years so its not like I need them to replace it.

Does anyone know if their vg is thinned?

I had a similar experience with a different vendor related to quantity. I think my issue is the fill line on an 8 oz bottle versus me filling them to the threads. I am going to fill one of my emptys with 8 ozs of water and see where the fill line actually is. I believe that is the issue for me at least.

No idea on the thinning???

 

[Mowgli]

@Sugar_and_Spice e-mail them.
They need to be called out if they're getting sloppy.
They need to know if they have someone ineffective on the team.
It would be dangerous for someone less than 100% to handle nicotine orders.

I didn't have any problem with Heartland or their nic.
Heartland has good nic but I like RTS, NN & VT TH better.

A good company will ask for pix (or not even) and resend what you paid for.
A very good company will do that and tell you to keep what they already sent you.

Essential Depot is a very good company.
Their pickers/shippers pick PG instead of VG sometimes.
When alerted they rectify within the hour.

 

[mhertz]

The 100ml glassbottles I have was listed in specs as "overfill = 10ml", and so the 120 and/or 240ml bottles you use probably has even more, also considering mine are of the euro dropper style type(with polycones though) which have 18mm necks and not yours of 24mm+

 

[TraderX]

I would complain bitterly, and demand a return shipping label! If you didn't get what you paid for and expected, you have every right to demand a refund or replacement.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I had a similar experience with a different vendor related to quantity. I think my issue is the fill line on an 8 oz bottle versus me filling them to the threads. I am going to fill one of my emptys with 8 ozs of water and see where the fill line actually is. I believe that is the issue for me at least.

No idea on the thinning???

@Sugar_and_Spice e-mail them.
They need to be called out if they're getting sloppy.
They need to know if they have someone ineffective on the team.
It would be dangerous for someone less than 100% to handle nicotine orders.

I didn't have any problem with Heartland or their nic.
Heartland has good nic but I like RTS, NN & VT TH better.

A good company will ask for pix (or not even) and resend what you paid for.
A very good company will do that and tell you to keep what they already sent you.

Essential Depot is a very good company.
Their pickers/shippers pick PG instead of VG sometimes.
When alerted they rectify within the hour.

The 100ml glassbottles I have was listed in specs as "overfill = 10ml", and so the 120 and/or 240ml bottles you use probably has even more, also considering mine are of the euro dropper style type(with polycones though) which have 18mm necks and not yours of 24mm+

I also ordered 4 of their own 240 ounce bottles. I think they list them @ 8 ounces.
I really have no pics to send cause I already added vg to the last bottle and all are now in freezer.
But I probably should alert them jic they have a slacker on their team.

Could the heat from being boxed and taking a few days to arrive cause the vg to thin?
It also had the smell of nic, but I think the heat did that.
The base looked clear as I was pouring.

eta...
Ok email sent,,,,,awaiting reply.

 

[tiburonfirst]

don't forget though - most 8 ounce bottles hold quite a bit more if you fill them to the top. and yes, vg seems to get thinner in the heat!

 

[Capt.shay]

And odors are accentuated when warm.

Not saying one way or the other, but if the nic/vg was warm it could account for what you are experiencing.

 

[DJLEC]

@Sugar_and_Spice...Heartland has good nic but I like RTS, NN & VT TH better....

I have to ask if this is the general consensus.

Need to make a decision this week. I have a vast quantity of pre-made on hand, and if I buy Nic it will most likely be used as Unflavored in a REO or kayfun.




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[Cool_Breeze]

I have to ask if this is the general consensus.

Need to make a decision this week. I have a vast quantity of pre-made on hand, and if I buy Nic it will most likely be used as Unflavored in a REO or Kayfun.

I prefer the (un)flavor of the Heartland Vapes nicotine I have to that of Vapers Tek TH that I also have. I find that that HV has more flavor and it seems to have a tobacco nature to it. I don't know if either of those which were purchased 'a while back' represent what is currently being shipped.

 

[Mowgli]

Could the heat from being boxed and taking a few days to arrive cause the vg to thin?

Take a bottle out of the freezer tomorrow.
Turn it upside down.
If it makes an air bubble that starts traveling up within 10-15 seconds then it's either PG or watered VG.
I just turned a "frozen" 250ml bottle of RTS hi-test VG nic upside down.
Air was about 1/2" down from the cap.
I held it upside down for over 1/2 minute before the air even started forming a "travel bubble"

 

[Mowgli]

I have to ask if this is the general consensus.

Need to make a decision this week. I have a vast quantity of pre-made on hand, and if I buy Nic it will most likely be used as Unflavored in a REO or Kayfun.

I use berries, creams & deserts 1/2 flavored 10%-3% PG (ie: very high VG) 3mg @ 70W.
I like unadulterated flavor so I like very transparent nic.
Tobacco flavor lovers might like Heartland or Wizard Labs better than I do.

My Heartland was from 2 summers ago.
The first bottle arrived through the heat and had much stronger taste than the 2L I bought closer to Fall (cooler journey).

 

[sketchness]

For me of the three we are talking about right now it is Nude, VT TH, then Rts. I am a member of the smooth no taste nic club. VT Th has a little taste I can't pinpoint. But it is pretty smooth. Rts was a little rough to me for some reason.

 

[JeremyR]

Yeah I'm in the th and clean nic taste club and feel rts is very clean but retains a decent th. Not as much as others but enough to satisfy me for a clean clear nic.

I feel it lays in the middle of the spectrum with benefits of both sides. A happy medium if you will.

 

[JeremyR]

I also ordered 4 of their own 240 ounce bottles. I think they list them @ 8 ounces.
I really have no pics to send cause I already added vg to the last bottle and all are now in freezer.
But I probably should alert them jic they have a slacker on their team.

Could the heat from being boxed and taking a few days to arrive cause the vg to thin?
It also had the smell of nic, but I think the heat did that.
The base looked clear as I was pouring.

eta...
Ok email sent,,,,,awaiting reply.

Temperature can play tricks on you. I may have been alerted over this as well.. I know how it is with vg... After a long winter warm vg looks way too thin..

Next time I question this I will put the bottle in the fridge to cool it all the way down, then see what it looks like and let it warm to room temperature to make sure it's not still to warm..

Mowgli posted a good test on bubble travel.

Take a bottle out of the freezer tomorrow.
Turn it upside down.
If it makes an air bubble that starts traveling up within 10-15 seconds then it's either PG or watered VG.
I just turned a "frozen" 250ml bottle of RTS hi-test VG nic upside down.
Air was about 1/2" down from the cap.
I held it upside down for over 1/2 minute before the air even started forming a "travel bubble"

 

[Cool_Breeze]

I'm in the 'let it taste like tobacco' and 'let me have my TH' realm.

What brand suggestions do you have for that?

 

[sketchness]

@Cool_Breeze I think you are already vaping one of the best for what you like. My heartland is a year old and it is just the way it was when I put it in the freezer. I mixed some up last night with a light fruit recipe for a friend at 6mg. The only thing I really noticed is that in less than 24 hours the juice has already begun its' march towards that straw color a little faster.

 

[Kurt]

For those wondering how VT TH is manufactured, I've been given permission from Kevin to describe the important points. TH is based on, I believe, conversations years ago he and I had over controlled oxidation and aging of nic to bring out character, for lack of a better word. My opinion was that some of the ultra-pure nics didn't give me the sensory feedback that I enjoyed and wanted to gauge nicotine consumption. I had been aging nics for a while, and Kevin has always been keen on providing a variety of nicotines, depending on people's tastes. VT TH was for the crowd, including me, that thought that a bit of oxidation can bring out some mighty fine attributes without significantly degrading the nicotine strength.

Briefly, here are the important points of both VT TH and his premium nic.

Premium: Chemnovatic nic + carrier (PG, VG) mixed under N2 for about 15 minutes in a sealed reactor vessel with mechanical paddle-mixing. Bottles are filled with N2 purging of the headspeace.

TH: Chemnovatic nic + carrier mixed at high speed paddle-mixing exposed to air for about 3 hours, in order to introduce some O2. As Kevin says, "I beat the $#!T out of it!!" Bottles are filled with N2 purge to help stop the oxidation where it is at the end of the mixing. He started out bubbling O2 through 100 mg Premium a couple of years ago, but has since gone to high-mixing with air exposure.

VG-nic has about 5% water for both Premium and TH.

TH and Premium use the same Chemnovatic nicotine. It is not the original pure free-base nic that is oxidized for TH, it is the final 100 mg liquid. And it is not another cheaper nicotine in the TH. My perception of TH is that it has minimal taste, although a touch more than the premium, (much less taste than RTS and NicSelect IMHO) and more pepper in the nose and TH, although not a lot of either, compared to other spicier nics I have had. It does tickle the nose nicely, which I love. Some find it to be virtually the same as the Premium, and that I guess depends on the batch. I find it to be a great work-horse nic for either tobaccos or fruit/sweet flavors, with no taste-competition with flavors, but an added bit of spice. And the price ($40/L) is very good for the quality.

Kevin has been wanting to build a kind of nicotine clearing house for providing a variety of nics for a while now, and I know he has been looking at several nics with different flavor/pepper/TH characteristics. For those of us that like nics with their own character, I think its a great and welcome idea.

In other news, I also saw that RTS has doubled their price of 100 mg nic to $100/L. Interesting. My personal opinion is this is from one of two things. Either Randy is still using the same nic, and he is seeing very high demand and wants to capitalize on it, which absolutely is his right as a business man, or else he has changed from his flavorful low-cost nic (which is delicious to me) to one of the ultra-pures, in which case the price is pretty much the going rate for this class of nics (VT premium, WL, to name a couple). Would be interested in hearing from anyone sampling this nic at the new price, or if anyone else has more insight on this. If it's "invisible" now, which I would personally find little use for, then I am glad I bought a L of old RTS when I did. And I bet it ages magnificently!

 

[Kurt]

I'm in the 'let it taste like tobacco' and 'let me have my TH' realm.

What brand suggestions do you have for that?

If RTS has not changed their nic in the price hike, then I think it has the most tobacco notes that I have found. Reminds me of some of the Virginia tobacco flavors I have tried. Pepper and TH are there, less than others I've tried, but certainly there. It is a sweeter nic than others, too. Not sharp like NicSelect. Of course, I'm only vaping the VG-nic, not sure what the PG-nic is like.

 

[JeremyR]

This is concerning because I haven't bought my stock pile of RTS yet, and was due to this month... It definitely gonna cost more waiting till the last minute..

Why, why did I wait.. Nooo

 

[NGAHaze]

This is concerning because I haven't bought my stock pile of RTS yet, and was due to this month... It definitely gonna cost more waiting till the last minute..

Why, why did I wait.. Nooo

If you are up for buying 3 liters, that price ( wholesale ) is still comparable to the previous 1 liter price.