Nicotine Comparisons

[Alien Traveler]

Well, I followed my own advice and I have learned a valuable lesson....price should not matter when purchasing nic. This was my 1st order from Heartland vapes and I am disappointed.

I know it is hot just about everywhere, so I expected the box to be hot, but even tho it was packaged great with lots of bubble wrap in a very sturdy box, the container itself was very warm to the touch.

The nic as suppose to be all vg and I went ahead and shook it up, sounded really thin, like pg, plus I could tell there was a lot of room still left in the container. I waited for it to cool down before splitting it up between 4 8 ounce bottles.

Either they really thin their vg or someone made a label error when packaging.

To top that off, it was short by a lot. I expected to have some left over from filling to be able to leave out and to try. Since you purchase 1 litre which is equal to 1000 ml (and their label on the bottle says 1000 ml)and you split that among 4 8 ounce bottles that equal to 236.588ml per bottle you expect a little left over.

I was 50 ml short. Had to add 50 ml vg just to finish filling the 4th bottle. So that means not only the 50 ml short but the extra 50-ish ml I should have had left over anyway. So I'm thinking about 100 ml short. That is a lot in my book.

Not sure if I should email heartland and complain or just leave it alone and never order from them again. I have more than enough nic to last me for at least 20-25 years so its not like I need them to replace it.

Does anyone know if their vg is thinned?

Warm VG is much thinner than room temperature VG. When mixing I always warm my juices in bottles (in hot water) before shaking.

I bet you filled your bottles with more than 8 ounces of nicotine, you just should do it (otherwise there will be too much air).

It looks like your order was OK.

 

[440BB]

If you are up for buying 3 liters, that price ( wholesale ) is still comparable to the previous 1 liter price.

Yep, the three liter price has remained the same all year, while the liter price dropped for a time and now went back up. They also will price match for smaller quantities.

 

[aikanae1]

The source of RTS nic has always been interesting mystery. When I first started they claimed to source USA nic and no one knew of a lab. Then one was rumoured found and closed and now there's one running again, in the same area RTS is...hmmm. I wonder?

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[Sugar_and_Spice]

Take a bottle out of the freezer tomorrow.
Turn it upside down.
If it makes an air bubble that starts traveling up within 10-15 seconds then it's either PG or watered VG.
I just turned a "frozen" 250ml bottle of RTS hi-test VG nic upside down.
Air was about 1/2" down from the cap.
I held it upside down for over 1/2 minute before the air even started forming a "travel bubble"

It is pg. Air bubble traveled (when upside down) up in about 10-12 sec. Tested 2 bottles both the same.
Still awaiting reply.

 

[mhertz]

If RTS has not changed their nic in the price hike, then I think it has the most tobacco notes that I have found. Reminds me of some of the Virginia tobacco flavors I have tried. Pepper and TH are there, less than others I've tried, but certainly there. It is a sweeter nic than others, too. Not sharp like NicSelect. Of course, I'm only vaping the VG-nic, not sure what the PG-nic is like.

Do you taste this often in nicselect or is it your ecx you talk about still(if I remember right)? It's crazy the batch-differences then, as my several nicselect batches is/where very, very clean, no tobacco at all... My last two batches of chemnovatic nic had indeed a dark forresty woody tobacco taste(not "ash-tray" though at all). The vendor states to me they use chemnovatic and is a very trustworthy vendor i've used for over 2 years and they even has paid for a third-party UK test of the chemnovatic nic and publishes the result on there page including the chemnovatic COA... I even mailed chemnovatic to make sure it was there nic used and I got it confirmed and that it was a good vendor I used(vendor used them since 2013). Previous batches from same vendor have been clean from a year ago I believe... Chemnovatic are roumered to use nics from two different places so that's probably it... My "bad" batches are crystal clear and no bad smell either...

Thanks for the info from Kevin. One person from this forum close to Kevin states the very first batch of TH was a normal batch gone slightly wrong Kevin stated hence selling it cheap... I understand making nic for all type customers, but not taking retail 115usd nic(at the time) and selling the exact same for 25 with extra work done on it and claiming selling with a loss too??? I don't like half-truths, e.g. he also states he has been to chemnovatic and so he knows they clean there nic themselves, but later when confronted he states that he hasen't seen or talked about cleaning with them, as it's propriotary. That's fine but then freakin don't state so then... Note, not doubting it(don't know?)... The nic also used to state UK-sourced even though it's polish sourced...

Good batches of chemnovatic, if I remember right, is very, very clean too imho

Edit: Just reread your quote I responded too, and noticed that the tobacco comment of nicselect was in a previous post from you I believe and in this you state it's sharp and not specifically tobacco, sorry... Sweet(er) nic? RTS owner states to use a higher quality and more expensive VG from coconuts, so i'm guessing it's that... Or can nic itself actually be sweet tasting? My "bad" batches of chemnovatic also seems sweeter, because they use a thicker and sweeter VG, which I know well as have used alot...

 

[Mactavish]

Decanted my 1-liter NicotineRiver 100mg NicSelect in 100% VG, to glass bottles today. It looks a touch darker/yellow tint then the Nude NIC, and has some tobacco scent or maybe it's how NIC smells. But the Nude NIC did cost more.

I shook the large liter jug up for a minute or so, violently like a paint can. Maybe that was a mistake? But I wanted to make sure it was blended well before filling the bottles. There were LOTS of large bubbles in the solution. So I've been leaving it out with the caps off for about an hour and the air bubbles have mostly dissipated. Only see very tiny, hard to see bubbles now. Next into the refrigerator over night to slowly drop the temp, then tomorrow into the freezer.

However I am going to write NicotineRiver, as I came up 98ml short, which is almost 1/10th of the liter. I drained the liter plastic jug, did not spill any. Here is how it broke down:

(7) - 4 ounce bottles. (28 ounces)
(1) - 2 ounce bottle
(1) - 1/2 ounce bottle
That's 30.5 ounces which equals 902 milliliters!
98ml SHORT.

 

[puffon]

Decanted my 1-liter NicotineRiver 100mg NicSelect, to glass bottles bottles today. It looks a touch darker/yellow tint then the Nude NIC, and has some tobacco scent or maybe it's how NIC smells. But the Nude NIC did cost more.

However I am going to write them, as I came up 98ml short, which is almost 1/10th of the liter. I drained the liter plastic jug, did not spill any. Here is how it broke down:

(7) - 4 ounce bottles. (28 ounces)
(1) - 2 ounce bottle
(1) - 1/2 ounce bottle
That's 30.5 ounces which equals 902 milliliters!
98ml SHORT.

It could be your bottles.
I fit 125ml in a 120ml bottle (filled to about 1/4" below the top)

 

[Mactavish]

It could be your bottles.
I fit 125ml in a 120ml bottle (filled to about 1/4" below the top)

Good thought. I just measured one of the 4 ounce bottles and got 4.1 ounces, so even being generous a .1 ounce over all the bottles would be about 1 ounce (30ml) more, so I'm actually 62ml short. Guess it's not enough to bother with complaining about. I won't be short of NIC, thanks FDA!

 

[Cool_Breeze]

...still a coat of VG base on the inside of the original bottle..?

 

[Mactavish]

...still a coat of VG base on the inside of the original bottle..?

Not 63ml worth, I let it drain upside down.

 

[satchvai]

You will lose a little because of the viscosity of VG. It's some thick stuff that takes a long time to move.

 

[sketchness]

I had a similar experience with nicotine river. But I got out the good old fashioned measuring cup and calibrated the bottles. My Boston rounds hit the 8 oz mark at the shoulder of the bottle. Up to the bottom of the threads is another 40mls. So there is my missing product.

 

[satchvai]

I just ordered 2 litres of Vaperstek TH nicotine for my personal use. I've heard a lot of good things about it and kicking myself for not getting it when it was $25 a litre. I think this is my last order of nic for the vapocalypse, hopefully this was a good one.

 

[nostradadus]

For those wondering how VT TH is manufactured

Thank you for taking the time to detail the difference between the two VT nicotine choices. This helps me greatly in determining my Nic purchasing decisions in the future.

 

[Kurt]

@mhertz I don't know details about the chemnovatic clean up. He has told me their method is proprietary as well, and didn't actually see the process first hand. I strongly suspect it is an inert-gas distillation of the pure free-base. And I don't want to critique why Kevin would want to sell TH at $25. I don't judge how someone wants to run a business in this crazy industry, even if this seems to be a bit of a blood sport on other forums (not accusing you!). To me the TH vapes like Premium with a touch of pepper in the nose, the biggest difference. The Premium I have is invisible, no one home. But it is from one batch.

Yes, NicSelect was from EXC and also from Liquid Barn, and I've gotten some from another vendor as well. They were all the same nic as far as I could tell. All 120 mL samples, but I have not bought in bulk yet. NicSelect has bit of sharp earthiness in the background. Quiet, but there. VERY similar to vintage Box Elder, but about 5% of the taste. Not tobacco to me, but some aging may create some tobacco notes.

 

[mhertz]

Cool, thanks alot for your thorough explanation and thoughts, I much appreciate it mate Sorry for "wrong-quoting" you about tobacco in nicselect also.

These batch-variations drives my freakin' crazy... I haven't even stocked up yet because I can't decide(general issue of mine, it takes a year roughly getting a new laptop, lol) and because of the crazy prices here... If spending so much money as I need with mine prices here, and then get a non optimal product for the next 20 years to consume is very worrying to me... Also as even if buying a sample first, then theres no proof that the same batch will arrive in the main order later...

I was hoping to finally have decided upon nicselect, but then you people came along, lol... I'm joking, seriously, I most appreciate all you good folks and your opinions here Some of my postings I sometimes think i'm mostly trying to convince myself, lol...

 

[JeremyR]

Lol, your not alone - me too. I only purchase one mod a year.. so I've got plenty to of time to decide. Usually have it narrowed down to two by then. Lol

 

[Bob Chill]

I went through 30mls each of unflavored VT, Nude, and RTS over the last month. I'm now quite familiar with the subtle differences in taste and TH.

Overall, all 3 are very similar with TH (I vape 40/60 @ 6mg). The 3 are so close together there that there is no way I could pick one over the other based on that alone.

I agree with a previous post that VT has a "woody" flavor. I think "musty" is a better adjective. Musty is far from a criticism though. It's quite pleasant but definitely different than RTS/Nude which have a near identical type of flavor with RTS slightly edging in the strength of flavor dept. I took advantage of the $49/L deal and got 4. Considering how very close the current RTS and Nude are in all categories I think I got a great deal on excellent nic.

I only have to add 3 more liters to complete my stash for 4 people. I'm going to order a liter of VT TH this week and see how I like it. I may go with that for my final purchase. I'll have a well rounded mix of RTS/WL/Nude/VT to last for many years. It feels really good to get the most important item stocked without cutting a single corner or regretting a purchase. It's been darn stressful the last couple months. No doubt about that.

 

[schatz]

I have enough Nude Nic, VT, and the VT throat hit and Wizard, but can anyone tell me what MFS has. Is it nic select or chemnovac or maybe unknown, how did it compare to all the others. Thanks.

 

[Bob Chill]

Another thing is that while Nude has the Armor lineup I personally don't think it's worth the cost. Breaking down nic is really easy and I believe the standard fill halfway up the neck with a poly seal cap and vacuum sealing the bottle will last for 10+ years no problem. I have yet to see a single post about properly stored nic having a noticeable change after 5 years. I don't see how 5 or even 10 more years would make that much of a difference. There's only so much air to work with in a sealed bottle. Not to mention like Kurt, I kinda like oxidized nic. I've vaped yellowish nic that's been sitting out for 6 months and it's still excellent.