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Discussion in 'DIY E-Liquid' started by Cyrus Vap, May 20, 2012.

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  1. mhertz

    mhertz Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 7, 2014
    Denmark
    A few days ago I got a new batch of nicselect, and I normally can always tell it's nicselect by just smelling the bottle, as it has a very faint "off" taste I call glue, in absence of words. This new batch was the first ever in two years which didn't smell like that, and I wouldn't be able to blind-sniff-identify it as nicselect anymore.

    Imho, it was great before, very clean with just a hint of an off taste at times, and which wasen't a bad off-taste per-say, and zero tobacco, but now there's no off-taste and it reminds me of nicobrand alot, in that at 3mg then it doesn't have a taste, but just lessened sweetness of the VG and more mouth-feel.

    I really hope this isn't a "one off" and not that I just got lucky, as I just ordered 2.5 liters from another cheaper nicselect vendor in UK, as the place I got the test-batch was more expensive for bigger quantities + the other place delivers in 1L amber glass bottles. Those 2.5L nicselect of just 72mg I paid with shipping the equalent of 240 USD - as I often said, this isn't cheap in the EU(though shipping wasen't cheap either), though could be much more expensive if going with other vendors...

    Just a headsup :) (I just finished the last bit of a months worth of a 1 liter mix of chemnovatic a few days ago, and the change to nicselect is pretty big, and even the older nicselect batches is better imho, atleast at 3mg...)
     
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  2. mikepetro

    mikepetro Vape Geek Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Just a bump to keep thread from getting locked.

    Sent from my SM-T810 using Tapatalk
     
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  3. mattiem

    mattiem ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Thank you for the bump Mike. I have been looking EVERYwhere for the information you posted in this thread about using citric acid. Sadly I couldn't even remember who was doing the tests. I thought I had saved all the mixing/using information but then couldn't find it. Now I have it all copied in a document so hopefully won't lose it again.

    One comment you made though has me wondering. You said your CA mix was about the consistency of cold VG. I am sure I followed your recipe for mixing the CA with pg and mine turned out about the consistency of pg or maybe just a tiny bit thicker.

    I made a mix of 25mg/ml nicotine with 1% CA and noticed it was much smoother than just nic alone. I normally vape 12mg/ml so was surprised that I was able to both vape and enjoy the 25mg. It sure cut down on the amount I needed to be satisfied.

    Thank you for sharing your experiment with all of us.....
     
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  4. sketchness

    sketchness Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 3, 2014
    Sacramento, CA
    Yes thanks @mikepetro . This thread was instrumental in causing me to have much more nicotine in my freezer than I had intended! And branching out and tasting other stuff.
     
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  5. mikepetro

    mikepetro Vape Geek Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    You all need to be thanking @Cyrus Vap as he is the one who started this thread 5 years ago. Been a lot of good folks who have traveled through ever since.
     
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  6. mikepetro

    mikepetro Vape Geek Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I mixed 100g of citric acid crystals with 100ml of PG, it was easily as thick as VG, in fact it took a magnetic stirrer and some heat to finally get it all dissolved.
     
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  7. mikepetro

    mikepetro Vape Geek Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I got the recipe from the Vermont Vapor site after they closed shop, only I used PG instead of Distilled water. They were very kind in posting many of their recipes and techniques after they closed. Formerly Vermont Vapor, Inc. - Recipes


    Ingredients

    Citric Acid Solution (06/2009)

    1 g Citric Acid USP (anhydrous)
    1 ml Distilled Water

    Heat water to above 120 deg. F., slowly add citric acid while stirring until all is dissolved and solution is clear (a very, very pale yellow).
     
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  8. mikepetro

    mikepetro Vape Geek Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    For those following the aldehyde thread, notice their recipe for 100% VG base.
    Thats 20% DW!

    e-Liquid Base

    0 mg/ml Unflavored Base (June, 2009)

    4 ml Glycerol USP
    1 ml Distilled Water
     
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  9. Katya

    Katya ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Feb 23, 2010
    SoCal
    This thread needs to be stickied. Just sayin'.... :)
     
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  10. mattiem

    mattiem ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    I mixed mine with pg too and like you it took a long while to get it all to dissolve. I don't have a magnetic stirrer so I had to do it the manual way. I set it in a cup of very hot water and just kept shaking it, rewarming the water as needed...rinse and repeat....bunches and bunches of times. I have been known to goof up a time or two but I am almost positive I followed your recipe for the amount of crystals to pg but I guess the consistency isn't that critical as long as it works and it does seem to do so.
     
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  11. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 11, 2010
    between here and there
    Bump
    Bump

    Bump



    :)
     
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  12. ChelsB

    ChelsB Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 12, 2016
    California
    Where do those of you that use CA buy it?
     
  13. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 14, 2013
    SE PA
    CA = Citric Acid?
    Grocery store. Or Amazon. It's commonly used in home canning of fruits.

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. ChelsB

    ChelsB Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 12, 2016
    California
    Oops! I replied to the wrong thread. But thanks anyway for the info!
     
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  15. Katya

    Katya ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Feb 23, 2010
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  16. IDJoel

    IDJoel Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2015
    Boise, ID
    Citric Acid
     
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  17. ChelsB

    ChelsB Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 12, 2016
    California
  18. dansus

    dansus Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 16, 2016
    London
    A UK wholesaler ordered some 7.2% nicotine salts from big Al for distro, it came labelled as nicotine benzoate 13%.

    This is what i filtered out of 250ml with 500g SS mesh.

    DH_Benzoate1.JPG
     
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  19. r77r7r

    r77r7r ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2011
    Pa,LandOfTaxes
    Hard to tell how much it is without something to measure it against. Is it undissolved Citric acid?
     
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  20. Stoneface

    Stoneface Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 12, 2013
    New York
    @dansus said it was nicotine benzoate...I'm guessing benzoic acid was used to create the nicotine salts purchased. I just bought some from Nicotine River since they state that their salts are not processed with benzoic acid.
     
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