Nicotine Comparisons

[mhertz]

A few days ago I got a new batch of nicselect, and I normally can always tell it's nicselect by just smelling the bottle, as it has a very faint "off" taste I call glue, in absence of words. This new batch was the first ever in two years which didn't smell like that, and I wouldn't be able to blind-sniff-identify it as nicselect anymore.

Imho, it was great before, very clean with just a hint of an off taste at times, and which wasen't a bad off-taste per-say, and zero tobacco, but now there's no off-taste and it reminds me of nicobrand alot, in that at 3mg then it doesn't have a taste, but just lessened sweetness of the VG and more mouth-feel.

I really hope this isn't a "one off" and not that I just got lucky, as I just ordered 2.5 liters from another cheaper nicselect vendor in UK, as the place I got the test-batch was more expensive for bigger quantities + the other place delivers in 1L amber glass bottles. Those 2.5L nicselect of just 72mg I paid with shipping the equalent of 240 USD - as I often said, this isn't cheap in the EU(though shipping wasen't cheap either), though could be much more expensive if going with other vendors...

Just a headsup (I just finished the last bit of a months worth of a 1 liter mix of chemnovatic a few days ago, and the change to nicselect is pretty big, and even the older nicselect batches is better imho, atleast at 3mg...)

 

[mikepetro]

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[mattiem]

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Thank you for the bump Mike. I have been looking EVERYwhere for the information you posted in this thread about using citric acid. Sadly I couldn't even remember who was doing the tests. I thought I had saved all the mixing/using information but then couldn't find it. Now I have it all copied in a document so hopefully won't lose it again.

One comment you made though has me wondering. You said your CA mix was about the consistency of cold VG. I am sure I followed your recipe for mixing the CA with pg and mine turned out about the consistency of pg or maybe just a tiny bit thicker.

I made a mix of 25mg/ml nicotine with 1% CA and noticed it was much smoother than just nic alone. I normally vape 12mg/ml so was surprised that I was able to both vape and enjoy the 25mg. It sure cut down on the amount I needed to be satisfied.

Thank you for sharing your experiment with all of us.....

 

[sketchness]

Yes thanks @mikepetro . This thread was instrumental in causing me to have much more nicotine in my freezer than I had intended! And branching out and tasting other stuff.

 

[mikepetro]

You all need to be thanking @Cyrus Vap as he is the one who started this thread 5 years ago. Been a lot of good folks who have traveled through ever since.

 

[mikepetro]

One comment you made though has me wondering. You said your CA mix was about the consistency of cold VG. I am sure I followed your recipe for mixing the CA with pg and mine turned out about the consistency of pg or maybe just a tiny bit thicker.

I mixed 100g of citric acid crystals with 100ml of PG, it was easily as thick as VG, in fact it took a magnetic stirrer and some heat to finally get it all dissolved.

 

[mikepetro]

I mixed 100g of citric acid crystals with 100ml of PG, it was easily as thick as VG, in fact it took a magnetic stirrer and some heat to finally get it all dissolved.

I got the recipe from the Vermont Vapor site after they closed shop, only I used PG instead of Distilled water. They were very kind in posting many of their recipes and techniques after they closed. Formerly Vermont Vapor, Inc. - Recipes


Ingredients

Citric Acid Solution (06/2009)

1 g Citric Acid USP (anhydrous)
1 ml Distilled Water

Heat water to above 120 deg. F., slowly add citric acid while stirring until all is dissolved and solution is clear (a very, very pale yellow).

 

[mikepetro]

For those following the aldehyde thread, notice their recipe for 100% VG base.
Thats 20% DW!

e-Liquid Base

0 mg/ml Unflavored Base (June, 2009)

4 ml Glycerol USP
1 ml Distilled Water

 

[Katya]

ust a bump to keep thread from getting locked.

This thread needs to be stickied. Just sayin'....

 

[mattiem]

I mixed 100g of citric acid crystals with 100ml of PG, it was easily as thick as VG, in fact it took a magnetic stirrer and some heat to finally get it all dissolved.

I mixed mine with pg too and like you it took a long while to get it all to dissolve. I don't have a magnetic stirrer so I had to do it the manual way. I set it in a cup of very hot water and just kept shaking it, rewarming the water as needed...rinse and repeat....bunches and bunches of times. I have been known to goof up a time or two but I am almost positive I followed your recipe for the amount of crystals to pg but I guess the consistency isn't that critical as long as it works and it does seem to do so.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

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[ChelsB]

Where do those of you that use CA buy it?

 

[Rossum]

Where do those of you that use CA buy it?

CA = Citric Acid?
Grocery store. Or Amazon. It's commonly used in home canning of fruits.

 

[ChelsB]

CA = Citric Acid?
Grocery store. Or Amazon. It's commonly used in home canning of fruits.

Oops! I replied to the wrong thread. But thanks anyway for the info!

 

[Katya]

Where do those of you that use CA buy it?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B...fl_title_38?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3JTCPSGX84BP4

 

[IDJoel]

Where do those of you that use CA buy it?

Citric Acid

 

[ChelsB]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B...fl_title_38?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3JTCPSGX84BP4

Very reasonably priced!

 

[dansus]

A UK wholesaler ordered some 7.2% nicotine salts from big Al for distro, it came labelled as nicotine benzoate 13%.

This is what i filtered out of 250ml with 500g SS mesh.

 

[r77r7r]

Hard to tell how much it is without something to measure it against. Is it undissolved Citric acid?

 

[Stoneface]

Hard to tell how much it is without something to measure it against. Is it undissolved Citric acid?

@dansus said it was nicotine benzoate...I'm guessing benzoic acid was used to create the nicotine salts purchased. I just bought some from Nicotine River since they state that their salts are not processed with benzoic acid.