Nicotine Comparisons

[mhertz]

As sketchy said, consider buying that refrigerator with also a freezer compartment or an extra freezer, as fridge for long-term isn't good enough I also don't believe. The viscosity of liquid and obviously temperature, both negating oxidation/degradation is better in freezer than fridge. Many use fridge for there working bottle, e.g if not having AC. Ohh, the ones stating 100mg nic is so dangerous, isn't industry, but ...... spreading nonsence simply... Very often found issue on the net, so selective reading is required

 

[Mactavish]

If anyone remembers my posts a page or two back, regarding being a little short on volume in my 1 Liter bottle of 100mg nic, from NicotineRiver, they just emailed me they are sending an additional 250 ml bottle. So regardless of NIC quality, their CS department seems top notch!

 

[DaveP]

As sketchy said, consider buying that refrigerator with also a freezer compartment or an extra freezer, as fridge for long-term isn't good enough I also don't believe. The viscosity of liquid and obviously temperature, both negating oxidation/degradation is better in freezer than fridge. Many use fridge for there working bottle, e.g if not having AC. Ohh, the ones stating 100mg nic is so dangerous, isn't industry, but ...... spreading nonsence simply... Very often found issue on the net, so selective reading is required

I'll be looking around for a freezer or a small fridge with a freezer section that can hold liter bottles in a row. I plan to cut down one liter to four 25mg liters and I'll freeze 3 of those, leaving one in the fridge to work from to make juice.

I imagine I'll still be working from that first 25mg liter for 2 years or more.

 

[mhertz]

Sure, that's fine then... Personally, i've never understood the idea of mixing down nic, unless when mixing it down to your vaping-level directly for easier DIY, but that's just me, and many do what you intend to do and you should of course use your own preferences in this I guess most do it because they then avoid working with 100mg directly, but as we have since long established, then it isn't any more dangerous than handling general house-hold products and it will just take up more space in the process while taking the exact same process and time during mixing, so imho there's no real upsides and only downsides(except premixing vaping-level premix)...

 

[tiburonfirst]

but as we have since long established, then it isn't any more dangerous than handling general house-hold products

not according to this
http://annhyg.oxfordjournals.org/content/43/6/405.full.pdf

it's never a bad idea to err on the safe side!

 

[mhertz]

OK, I of course agree with that it's never a bad idea to err on the safe side

Yes, that doc states that concentration of nic has influence(+ carrier and time on skin), which is pretty self-explanatory imho, but I just meant that if being careful and washing spills immediately, then it's not dangerous, and we don't go around diluting bleach down 1/4 either... Of course it's fine to do, but I just suspect that much of it comes from the paranoia many have brought foreward about e.g. "as we all know, over 60mg will burn your skin", from a well known dIY'er, lol, which makes noobs think they need full hazmat suits for handling it

There are one here(well, on the other place now), which used to test drops of 100mg nic on tongue to check quality

I hope it doesn't sound like i'm trying to make fun of people wanting to be as cautious as possible, which is a respectable trait imho...

 

[Capt.shay]

I just wrote in another thread that I have managed to slop 100mg all over me on more than one occasion and with a quick rinse, had no ill efffect. Even with intentional heavy breathing of the vapor, I have never felt any effect from 100mg/ml. It isn't caustic and it wont burn you. Yes it can absorb through the skin but only so quickly and if you remove it quickly very little if any will get in to your system. I wear glasses in the lab so I am covered for splash. It does burn like heck if you get some on your fingers and then rub your eyes, so don't do that.

I think the biggest danger is in storing it safely. Need to keep it out of reach and take extra precations if storing it in a freezer that also has food in it.

 

[mhertz]

Good points... Also, several have had drops, some even bigger spills, for up to 15 minutes left on skin, for science, with no ill effects either whatsoever

It's not about stating diluting down is bad, but about debunking old erroneous myths Dilute down all you want, and yes it is safer, but we just need to also keep the proportions in check or how it's put...

 

[JeremyR]

If I take a wiff from 100mg I just get some nicotine like chain vaping for a minute. I usually mix at night and it can keep me up but so can vaping. I get it in my hands.. Just don't need to vape for a while cause I just got a little nic in my system.. 100mg doesn't burn your skin, just another scare tactic that for some reason safety freaks promoted.

If you had no tolerance to nic and didn't vape or smoke it may be a different story.. Like a non smoker smoking a cigar the first time, it could get you a little queasy.

Definately a different story with a child the smaller the more cautious.. Getting 100 on the skin would get them a good dose of nic and for a baby could cause real trouble..

Start the antidote immediately.. Administer a tablespoon or more of sugar and dissolve in the mouth or just eat. This will speed the detox of nicotine. Monitor for a half hour.

 

[Bob Chill]

I tried to assure myself that I could hold off on my final nic purchase for as long as possible...but it was driving me nuts and making me skittish. I just couldn't resist VT TH @ $40L. I'm done. Roger Wilco Hellfish Out!

 

[nostradadus]

Start the antidote immediately.. Administer a tablespoon or more of sugar and dissolve in the mouth or just eat. This will speed the detox of nicotine.

Never heard of this yet!

I'd love to read the source of this info and be able to pass this along in other places; good to know info! Link?

 

[Mowgli]

I get some 100mg on my fingers every time I mix from it dripping down the bottle when I recap it. Sometimes more than others. I used to freak out but now, with experience, I know when I'm starting to feel it. I usually just wash it off when I get to the sink area.
But I've been healthy as a racehorse all my life (except a couple of incidents due to cholesterol)

OTOH one of my friends has been unhealthy all of his life. One kidney, diabetes, intestinal issues, etc
A nearly full 30ml bottle of 24mg juice dumped in his lap a couple of years ago. He was busy at his house so decided to deal with it when he finished what he was doing. He started feeling very sick after about 15 minutes so he washed up but too late. He was in dangerous distress by the time he got to the ER. He's an extreme case but the amount of nic that we can deal with will affect sick, young and elderly drastically different.

 

[Alien Traveler]

not according to this
http://annhyg.oxfordjournals.org/content/43/6/405.full.pdf

it's never a bad idea to err on the safe side!

Thanks for the link, it's interesting paper (if it's true, of course).

They studied penetration of pure nicotine, nicotine diluted in water and nicotine diluted in ethanol through human skin (obtained from plastic surgery).
It was found out that water greatly increase absorption of nic, and ethanol greatly decrease it. So, water solutions were more dangerous than pure nicotine. No tests for PG or VG... They assumed deadly dose was 30 mg on nic delivered in 15 minutes. Deadly dose (according to their results) could be achieved if somebody will put his arm in water solution of 100 mg nicotine for 15 minutes.

I hope VG and PG are closer (chemically) to ethanol than to water and would make absorption much slower.

 

[Rossum]

They assumed deadly dose was 30 mg on nic delivered in 15 minutes.

How much nicotine kills a human? Tracing back the generally accepted lethal dose to dubious self-experiments in the nineteenth century

 

[JoanJ]

I get some 100mg on my fingers every time I mix from it dripping down the bottle when I recap it. Sometimes more than others. I used to freak out but now, with experience, I know when I'm starting to feel it. I usually just wash it off when I get to the sink area.
But I've been healthy as a racehorse all my life (except a couple of incidents due to cholesterol)

OTOH one of my friends has been unhealthy all of his life. One kidney, diabetes, intestinal issues, etc
A nearly full 30ml bottle of 24mg juice dumped in his lap a couple of years ago. He was busy at his house so decided to deal with it when he finished what he was doing. He started feeling very sick after about 15 minutes so he washed up but too late. He was in dangerous distress by the time he got to the ER. He's an extreme case but the amount of nic that we can deal with will affect sick, young and elderly drastically different.

Part may be due to the 'in the lap'. I have gotten tea tree oil on my hands and other than a stinky mess, no problems but dumped a 15 ml bottle in my lap once and the term 'great distress' puts it mildly. Some body tissue absorbs better than others. I DIY and start with 100 mg nic and have had it on my hands every time with no ill effects. I make a point of not touching my face, eyes, mouth until I have finished mixing and get it washed off.

 

[Mactavish]

I read the report. Wash your skin ASAP, and that's it, you won't die.

 

[chanelvaps]

Well I waited until close to the last minute but I bought my final liter today. Went with Nicselect from Nicotine River because that is what Ahlusion uses (per their website) and I feel they have very clean tasting juice.

 

[Jingles]

Thank You Chanelvaps! I have been racking my brain to recall which Nicotine that Ahlusion uses, and I have been too busy (or is that lazy) to search their thread! I have yet to buy my first liter of Nicotine, but I did buy 120 mls of Ahlusion last night.

 

[aikanae1]

OK, I of course agree with that it's never a bad idea to err on the safe side

Yes, that doc states that concentration of nic has influence(+ carrier and time on skin), which is pretty self-explanatory imho, but I just meant that if being careful and washing spills immediately, then it's not dangerous, and we don't go around diluting bleach down 1/4 either... Of course it's fine to do, but I just suspect that much of it comes from the paranoia many have brought foreward about e.g. "as we all know, over 60mg will burn your skin", from a well known dIY'er, lol, which makes noobs think they need full hazmat suits for handling it

There are one here(well, on the other place now), which used to test drops of 100mg nic on tongue to check quality

I hope it doesn't sound like i'm trying to make fun of people wanting to be as cautious as possible, which is a respectable trait imho...

Caution with the analogies. We don't premix bleach because it doesn't stay viable as a disinfectant very long. 20 min usually. I know this from working with animals. Bleach and nic aren't comparable.

To each their own. I order 48mg because shipping costa are high on vg, I think nic manufacturers have a better way of mixing than I do and I have to buy less vg (i diy 100% vg), get better vg, and imo, might (in theory) reduce oxidation slighty. 48mg is easy for me to extend into working levels of base without using calculators since most flavorings I use are mixed at <5% total.

NN has a post on their website about higher level of base : lower mg nic slowing oxidation down. I'm not sure I agree or it makes much difference, it just supported what I was already doing. That's always nice.

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[DaveP]

Sure, that's fine then... Personally, i've never understood the idea of mixing down nic, unless when mixing it down to your vaping-level directly for easier DIY, but that's just me, and many do what you intend to do and you should of course use your own preferences in this I guess most do it because they then avoid working with 100mg directly, but as we have since long established, then it isn't any more dangerous than handling general house-hold products and it will just take up more space in the process while taking the exact same process and time during mixing, so imho there's no real upsides and only downsides(except premixing vaping-level premix)...

Cost is the main consideration. I paid $50 from MFS for a liter of 100mg. A liter of 24mg is $30. I can make 4 liters of 25mg from a liter of 100mg, making the cost of a 25mg liter only $12.50 if I create it from the liter of 100mg.

Apparently, most people keep their base at 100mg and just break a liter out into 4 250ml bottles to make the nic last longer by using one 250ml bottle and freezing the other three with very small air pockets in the bottles. After reading DIY posts here I think I'm better off doing that. I can freeze three bottles and work out of the remaining bottle for a couple of years. Hopefully, it won't oxidize kept in a refrigerator instead of being frozen.

OTOH, if you vape low range nic, like 3mg, a 250ml bottle will last about 2 years vaping 10ml a day. You keep smaller amounts around the house and still save a lot of money over store bought juice.