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UncLeJunkLe

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I appreciate all the replies. I should have made it clear that this is a DIY question. I was vaping my own e-juice at about 1.4 nic. My question is what strength nicotine to buy--just the nicotine that I mix into the e-juice I make. I didn't know that nicotine came in different strengths until now. I thought the Nic I was buying WAS 100% nicotine and that the VG/PG I'd add to it would bring it down to the 1.4 level--example--I'd buy VG, PG, Flavoring and nicotine from Liquid Barn and make my own from that. I assumed the nicotine was just nicotine. It probably was mixed with PG, but I didn't know it. Whatever it was, it worked. The 6% I bought now doesn't cut it.

If I'm not breaking a rule here, I'll include their link in my next post. You can see the different strengths they sell. The name of the vendor is Nicotine Giant. To be clear, this isn't on them. It's on my ignorance. I'm even ignorant on how best to explain my ignorance. I'm confusing myself.

Thanks again for all the replies.

The vast majority of people who DIY their juice don't buy/use 100% (aka 1,000mg) nicotine concentrate as that is not only harder to find but also dangerous to have aroud the home and to handle. Most DIYers buy 10% strength (aka 100mg) nicotine concentrate & use their flavors, PG and VG to dilute it to their preferred vaping strength of juice.

10% (aka 100mg) is also dangerous so caution should be used when handling and storing it, but not nearly as dangerous as 100% (aka 1,000mg).
 

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Don't confuse %'s with mg/ml.
6% = 60 mg
100% = 1000 mg

@MarkRNY, It might be worth mentioning that 60 mg and 1000 mg are shorthand for 60 mg nicotine/ml liquid, and 1000 mg nicotine/ml liquid, respectively. There is no such thing as "___% mg" units. It is either mg/ml (more common) or % (less common). The % is actually by weight, for example, 5 mg nicotine in 100 mg liquid is 5%.

One thing that you need to know: The fatal dose of nicotine is given variously as 30-500 mg depending on where you look. So if you vape 100 mg liguid, you could get sick or die in a hurry. DO NOT vape 100 mg liquid. Don't even get in the same room with 1000 mg liquid.

For someone buying commercially made liquid, the information above is what you need to know.

I played around with the math and came to some additional conclusions:

The relationships given by puffon are a rule of thumb, because the specific gravity of nicotine is 1.24, VG is 1.26, and PG is 1.009. So there is a small error in the those relationships that is often ignored, but they get you close enough in most cases. Water has a specific gravity of 1.00 and 1 ml of water has a weight (really mass, but we won't go there) of exactly 1 gram or 1000 mg. So water is 1000 mg/ml.

If I'm doing the math correctly, 100% nicotine would actually be 1240 mg/ml.

Then it would follow that 1 ml of 1000 mg/ml liquid would be 80.6% nicotine by volume and 19.4% VG or PG by volume. If it's mixed with VG then it would be 80.4% nicotine by weight. If it's mixed with PG then it would be 83.9% by weight.

18 mg/ml nicotine would actually be 14.3% by weight if it's mixed with VG, or 17.7% by weight if it's mixed with PG.

That must be why its sold as mg/ml most often - the number doesn't change as the VG/PG ratio changes.
 

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I appreciate all the replies. I should have made it clear that this is a DIY question. I was vaping my own e-juice at about 1.4 nic. My question is what strength nicotine to buy--just the nicotine that I mix into the e-juice I make. I didn't know that nicotine came in different strengths until now. I thought the Nic I was buying WAS 100% nicotine and that the VG/PG I'd add to it would bring it down to the 1.4 level--example--I'd buy VG, PG, Flavoring and nicotine from Liquid Barn and make my own from that. I assumed the nicotine was just nicotine. It probably was mixed with PG, but I didn't know it. Whatever it was, it worked. The 6% I bought now doesn't cut it.

If I'm not breaking a rule here, I'll include their link in my next post. You can see the different strengths they sell. The name of the vendor is Nicotine Giant. To be clear, this isn't on them. It's on my ignorance. I'm even ignorant on how best to explain my ignorance. I'm confusing myself.

Thanks again for all the replies.
It might help to go the the Liquid Barn website and log in to look up your old orders. Even though they no longer sell nic the order history still shows a detailed description of each item, so you can find out exactly what you used to buy. That might help you figure this out. Good luck!
 

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    Tell us what the label says, or upload a pic. Nicotine Giant does sell 60 mg/ml (6%) nicotine, but vaping that would get most people nic sick, yet you say it isn't enough for you. Is the juice flavored? NG does have both flavored and unflavored juice at 6mg/ml. I am not sure when you say you are vaping 6% juice that you are not actually vaping 6mg/ml. Let's not mess with 100mg/ml until this is straightened out. NOBODY should vape 100mg/ml.
     

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    I appreciate all the replies. I should have made it clear that this is a DIY question. I was vaping my own e-juice at about 1.4 nic. My question is what strength nicotine to buy--just the nicotine that I mix into the e-juice I make. I didn't know that nicotine came in different strengths until now. I thought the Nic I was buying WAS 100% nicotine and that the VG/PG I'd add to it would bring it down to the 1.4 level--example--I'd buy VG, PG, Flavoring and nicotine from Liquid Barn and make my own from that. I assumed the nicotine was just nicotine. It probably was mixed with PG, but I didn't know it. Whatever it was, it worked. The 6% I bought now doesn't cut it.

    If I'm not breaking a rule here, I'll include their link in my next post. You can see the different strengths they sell. The name of the vendor is Nicotine Giant. To be clear, this isn't on them. It's on my ignorance. I'm even ignorant on how best to explain my ignorance. I'm confusing myself.

    Thanks again for all the replies.

    GLAD YOU CAME BACK! There is a ton of info here already.

    Keep asking your questions. :)
     

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    Geez, while I was writing my long reply, more posts came in. So the OP does know how to mix, but I didn't get that from the original post.
    Not being critical... but maybe not. It's simple math but can be confusing. This should be on the DIY forum...
    @classwife ... we need your magical powers once again.
     

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    No-one should be even thinking about making their own liquid until they can tell the difference between 0.6% and 6%. The amount of nicotine in a given liquid is expressed as mg/ml OR as a percentage. 20mg/ml liquid is 2%, not 20%..
    Anyone who cannot distinguish - or cannot percieve the difference - between the two should not be allowed near anything as potentially dangerous as nicotine. It's a poison.

    Rant over.
     

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    Good advice already posted.

    As to the second point/question the OP asked - I smoked for more than 50 years in total, but switched to a pipe from 1974 until about 6 years ago ... and like most of the pipemen I knew, I inhaled pipe tobacco and pretty strong British stuff at that.

    I started vaping with 16 Strength ( 1.6) 50/50 VG/PG mix, never experienced a tobacco craving from when I first bought a decent tank and mod and have stuck with this strength since and have no plans to reduce my nicotine level.
     

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    I made this tougher to respond to by not getting my terms right (I had my cousin's kids running around).

    The bottle I have is 250 MLs of 6 MG nicotine. That Nic level's low for me when you consider that I'm only using 1.4% nicotine in the e-juice I make. The rest is VG, PG and flavoring that I add.

    I'm going to call the place tomorrow (or Tuesday) and ask them what level most vapers buy. I'm reading the reviews from vapers on their site for all the levels they sell and they're all good. Previously I'd just buy whatever nicotine the vendor sold. I never had a choice of strengths. That's what's confusing. I'll try to find out from Liquid Barn what their level is too.

    I truly appreciate all the responses. Thanks.
     

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    The bottle I have is 250 MLs of 6 MG nicotine. That Nic level's low for me when you consider that I'm only using 1.4% nicotine in the e-juice I make.

    You've got it down. Good and thanks.

    That "6MG" is less than half of what would be marked "14MG" if using the same verbiage. I buy my nic at "60MG" to "100MG" (6% to 10%), and use it to add strength to low strength juices. It comes in handy. :)
     

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    I'm going to call the place tomorrow (or Tuesday) and ask them what level most vapers buy.

    That really is a waste of time as it will not likely get you anywhere. If most of their purchases for that particular juice is by high wattage cloud chuckers, then they will tell you 3MG which is likely way too low for you. In the vaping world, it really is about trial and error because what I vape may not be good for you because our needs differ greatly and so does our vaping styles.

    Start at a any given strength and adjust from there. Since you are already vaping 14mg (aka 1.4%), then adjust from there, up or down, if that doesn't suit you.
     

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    I'm going to call the place tomorrow (or Tuesday) and ask them what level most vapers buy.

    I would suggest you get some liquids in 18 MG (1.8%), and possibly some 24 MG (2.4%). On the other hand, you said you use 14 MG (1.4%) in the liquids you make. Is that seeming too low for you?
     

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    I made this tougher to respond to by not getting my terms right (I had my cousin's kids running around).

    The bottle I have is 250 MLs of 6 MG nicotine. That Nic level's low for me when you consider that I'm only using 1.4% nicotine in the e-juice I make. The rest is VG, PG and flavoring that I add.

    I'm going to call the place tomorrow (or Tuesday) and ask them what level most vapers buy. I'm reading the reviews from vapers on their site for all the levels they sell and they're all good. Previously I'd just buy whatever nicotine the vendor sold. I never had a choice of strengths. That's what's confusing. I'll try to find out from Liquid Barn what their level is too.

    I truly appreciate all the responses. Thanks.

    Here is my Thinking...

    You have already done some DIY, so you probably Understand at least the Basics.
    If I have 6mg/ml Nicotine Base, I can make it Stronger by Mixing it with a Higher Strength Nicotine Base.
    100mg/ml Nicotine Base can make Any Strength Finished e-Liquid from 0.01mg/ml up to 100mg/ml
    100mg/ml take a Lot Less Space to Store than lower levels for the Same Total Milligrams of Nicotine.
    DIY Nicotine might be Very Difficult to find in the coming Weeks (maybe Days!)
    I would buy at least 1 Liter of 100mg/ml Nicotine Base in either PG or VG NOW!

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    There are Tons of People here that can Walk you thru just About any Kind of Recipe you might want to DIY. But you have to have Nicotine to do it.

    So Heed that 2nd to Last Line in the list above.
     
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