No matter how much I vape, I still want to smoke analogs (and i still do smoke) Havent quit yet, who's in this category?

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hittman

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    Holy crap! I really got behind. It took me since yesterday to read roth's post. Seriously though, great post roth. I too am a degenerate happy ....... or would like to think so anyway.

    Junior, I think you are doing great and please do let us know how things go for you whether it be good( I hope) or bad. Do you have any swedish snus? I think that might help a little more than the camel. Also if you ever want to try some nasal snuff then let me know and I can send you some samples. It is a quicker nic fix than vaping or snus. I have some molens macuba that has never failed to kill a craving. The scent is a plain tobacco with clove which is not my favorite scent but the nic content is great.
     

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    Holy crap! I really got behind. It took me since yesterday to read roth's post. Seriously though, great post roth. I too am a degenerate happy ....... or would like to think so anyway.

    Junior, I think you are doing great and please do let us know how things go for you whether it be good( I hope) or bad. Do you have any Swedish snus? I think that might help a little more than the camel. Also if you ever want to try some nasal snuff then let me know and I can send you some samples. It is a quicker nic fix than vaping or snus. I have some molens macuba that has never failed to kill a craving. The scent is a plain tobacco with clove which is not my favorite scent but the nic content is great.

    The only Swedish stuff I've tried is General (wintergreen, mint, and white) They were all great, and I really loved wintergreen over any of the other flavors..but that's the only Swedish snus I've tried is General. I'd love to try nasal bacco. I've never tried it ! and also wondered how that works (with post nasal drip, does it stay in nose or get snorted like "ChinaWhite" ? lol), I've always had an interest in that, wondering if it actually works and if it actually delivers more nicotine than a cigarette. Not to get off topic, but I'll have to do some research on the nasal stuff and I'd love to try some. I have a tobacco shop right next to my work place, that has all of that stuff, I just never had the nerve to ask for it because of how little i know. I dont want to sound stupid in front of people...and then eventually I got into vaping and never thought about snus or snuff again.
     
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    The general mint regular portions are about the only one in that line that I have liked so far. Those are 8mg. I also like the grovsnus black(12mg) and simply love the thunder berry(16mg). I like many others too but won't bore you. When using snuff, you can either sniff it or place it with a snuff spoon. On the lighter more powdery ones you have to be careful to not sniff to hard or it will hit the back of your sinuses and sting for a little bit.There are many ways to take it but I have gotten used to pushing my thumbnail into my first finger to make like a little cup and tap some on there to sniff from. There are bullets available to where it gives you a premeasured portion. You just want about an apple seed size portion to start with for each nostril. I am sure there are probably a bunch of youtube videos. I don't use it constantly. Just a pinch here or there usually. Snus keeps me pretty level but snuff hits quicker than vape or snus if you need a quick fix or sometimes it's just that I enjoy the scents. Just like snus, different snuffs have different amounts of nic in them. Unfortunately its not listed on them like it is on snus. There is a site called snuffreviews that has reviews of a lot of different ones. Also I'm not sure if they still do but mrsnuff used to have a list of high nic snuffs on their site.
     
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    Since the pact act was passed a few months ago, everyone is charging high prices on shipping because age verification is required. So I don't really know anywhere to get cheaper shipping. If you go to the general snus website and register then they will send you a free sample pack. There is also a distributor locator on their site too so you may be able to find a retail location near you. Here's the page to go to so you can register. The only down side is that it's only general brand so if you wanted other brands then chances are they won't be available at a retailer.

    http://www.generalsnus.com/Account/LogOn?ReturnUrl=/
     

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    The only Swedish stuff I've tried is General (wintergreen, mint, and white) They were all great, and I really loved wintergreen over any of the other flavors..but that's the only Swedish snus I've tried is General.

    Another one you may want to try if you get around to ordering from the online stores is Jakobssons Wintergreen Strong Portion Snus. I haven't tried it but from what I hear it has a good strong wintergreen flavor and a real good kick to it. More so then General wintergreen. Thunder also makes a wintergreen and that's just a bomb at 16mg. But please do try some straight tobacco flavored while you're at it. Ettan is a classic and nearly everyone loves it including me. Lab 01 or 02 (the 02 has more nicotine) is also very good. I don't know how much you smoked but if you were more then a pack a day of standard cigarettes you might do well with some strong or even extra strong snus. What you have been using so far is 8mg portions which is considered standard strength. They go all the way up to 18mg (Skruf ES). That could very well get you over the hump and get you off the cigarettes. It certainly is going to kill any cravings.

    The camel SNUS is.... not so good compared to the Swedish snus. But, the latest version of camel with the larger portions is a step in the right direction, though still not up to the Swedish standard



    Is there a good place to order Snus? I see that northern and its sister companies charge $12 for shipping and I only want to try 2-3 cans.
    The good news for you is that you're in PA. The only state with no tax on smokeless. Lucky you. The Northerner and Getsnus warehouse is in your backyard. Hopefully you can find some place local to get you started.
     

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    I was having the same problem as you....I started vaping back in March with my husband. Within a month, he was analog free. I didn't quit the analogs til late August. There were three major issues that were making it difficult for me to quit the analogs.

    1. I hadn't found a juice that worked for me. Started at 12mg then moved to 24mg. As things progressed I have slowly dialed down the nic since then. I also had myself fooled into thinking that taste was everything and I didn't care about the vapor. Now I realize that vapor is almost as important as the taste..for me.

    2. I hadn't found a PV that worked for me. Started with the Blu, then moved on to the Sideshow, 902, eGo, Little Sister, and now I'm using a REO mini. And that's just the ones that I have...nevermind all the mods my husband (now a mod collector) put in my hands in the hopes that one of them would work for me. I needed something that was easier than picking up a cigarette and lighting it. What can I say? I am lazy. I hated carts, cartomizers, dripping, and constantly changing batteries, and trying to figure out the variable voltage system.

    3. I hadn't realized that my addiction was not just to nicotine. I am addicted to the other chemicals in analogs. My husband had pointed out that while I was still smoking, I was already replacing the nicotine, so it must have been something else. He was right. When I finally quit the analogs I still went through withdrawls that lasted a couple of weeks. I was getting plenty of nicotine from vaping.

    Now that it has been a long time since I've smoked, I find that even though the mental habbit still bugs me every now and then, I'm not bothered by it anymore. I tried to smoke a cigarette, but the chemical burn was the first thing I noticed and couldn't quite make it through the 3rd drag. But that meant not smoking for a minimum of 5 days before I would have that kind of reaction. Could I go back to smoking?...sure, it would be really gross, but I could force my way through about three cigarettes and be right back where I was...but now I don't want to.

    It did take some effort to pick up the PV instead of a smoke, but it payed off in the end. I now carry my PVs with me everywhere I go. I still have a pack of smokes in my purse, but haven't felt the need to try another one since that last one that had me feeling nauseated.

    I hope that eventually you will find what works for you. I know its hard, but I have no doubt you will get there eventually. It does require some will power, but it is much easier when you find that combination of juice (nic level, taste, and vapor volume) and PV that works for you and then just vape the hell out of it to get you through the transition. I wish I could just tell you what would work for you, but I can't. All I can do is suggest you increase your nic level, try for more vapor, find a PV with more oomph to it and less effort to use....and most importantly...don't give up!

    *edit*....so now I've read more in the thread and I can see that this has all been addressed. That is great that you have reduced your analog use and have found other options that have helped you get there. This thread is great for those of us who have a more difficult transition than others. Thank you to everyone who posted those long posts....it made a bunch of sense to me and I'm sure had I joined the ECF earlier and read these types of posts...I would have been analog free sooner!
     
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    That was a really nice post. It's threads like this one that people need to see on the forum. For some it is an easy transition but not for all. The liquid/pv combination isn't always the answer. I too did the bigger, better, stronger routine and was still vaping very strong liquids non-stop without ever getting the satisfied feeling and sinking into depression. I am not trying to push anything on people but just want to let others out there know that there are other reduced risk alternatives out there that can compliment the quitting power of the pv and help them get where they want to go if the pv alone doesn't do it for them. I have no doubt that without the help of some of the senior members here that I would have been smoking heavily again.
     

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    Is there a good place to order Snus? I see that northern and its sister companies charge $12 for shipping and I only want to try 2-3 cans.

    KissMint, are you anywhere near Bethlehem? If so, there are a couple tobacco stores you should check with. They were selling snus a while back. I never got over there to check them out.
     

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    Rhapsodies Fire, your carrying around a pack made me laugh and think. I had to take my scoot in for service a month or so ago so I was emptying out junk. In the glove box I found a pack of non-FSC smokes, never opened. I haven't had a puff in over nine months, the seven months before that I was smoking a different brand which I started smoking at least 10 months before that and I've had the bike for 3 1/2 years so the pack is between 2 1/6 and 3 1/2 years old. I left it in my garage figuring if I ever wanted a cigarette, I'd need to smoke THAT pack. Just the thought of smoking THAT pack is enough reason not to smoke.
     
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