True. We just need to give it some time, and it may become a viable power source.
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True. We just need to give it some time, and it may become a viable power source.
And that's the problem, big corporations need a fast return on their investment, if such a product could ( and let's face it, it could be ) be made, unless the cost of research, production, advertising etc left enough over in the $$$$ side of the books it ain't going to happen.
Want an example?, analog cigarettes, how much has the design changed/altered since they became a commercial product?, nada, zilch, why?, simple, when you have a successful product the need to innovate dies, or is artfully "slowed", ( diesel fuel's inventor springs to mind).
If such a product made it to light it would probably come through big tobacco, you see them now moving into the e cig markets ( which could be either good or bad depending on your point of view) and it will probably mean proprietary products locked into "their" product, I personally hope this tech appears, or maybe the phone charge mat but I'm not holding my breath.
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This guy and his investors waltz in here trying to buy someone with the ability to make this work. I'm not denying it wouldn't be cool. Unlike Einstein, I'm going to question the guys motives for wanting to split an atom before helping him out. I want to see the whole picture. Besides, I feel the vape community is advancing just fine without big business patents and legal practices muddying up the waters. I like the fact that the end user is shaping political opinion instead of corporate money shaping policy's that suit them. If vaping is dominated by big business it may provide the money and research for a few advancements but will also ultimately limit our options. All of the advancements have been shape by us so far. It's been our idea sharing, backyard R&D and fine tuning. Why do you think this question is posed here? Right now we have a lot of dedicated small business owners and manufacturers. I like that. I don't want big business changing the hometown feeling of the vaping community.... Or the Wal-Mart of vaping killing off all of the small businesses that we have now. I feel we should know who we're dealing with and what their motives are before giving them a key to the city.
There are also many technologies that we have today that started out big and expensive. And when you're talking about portable energy sources, there is a huge market for that, and there are a lot of companies spending lots of money trying to make them smaller and more efficient.
Panasonic makes the batteries (AW) that many people use in there PVs, and that hasn't hurt us. Are you saying Panasonic is a small business?
No, but Panasonic isn't a company that brings along a negative image that we as a community are trying to distinguish ourselves from either.
What negative image are you referring to? I thought we were just talking about a power source technology, that could possibly be used for our devices in the future. I can understand being skeptical, but I'm apparently not privy to some information that you are. Do you know who this guy works for, or something?
... no "hidden" financial aggenda, no "ulterior" motives; just in the habit of "livin-small" and as self-reliantly as possible... & I'm not a big fan of the "disposable-lifestyle". I switched over to rebuildable attys recently for the same reason; & now I'd like to see (& I'm pretty sure we'd ALL like to see) a power device that we only have to buy "one" (or two) of, in our entire lifetime(s). Will be picking up a few bottom end Mods in the next few weeks/months for the same reason as well... less to "throw away" when the batts won't hold a charge any longer (& less cost to replace just batteries instead of a whole eGo Spinner/Twist etc.). B'n taking a closer look at where this tech is since I started the thread though, & it looks like we're a good way off of "tubular"... but I think we could already power a "Box-Mod" no problem (pretty sure anyway). ... gonna keep at it for a bit; not real fond of the Box-Mod idea, but, if that's all we can do, then that's all we can do... & then it's just a quart or two of Meths for a "very" long time after that.
Wow... never would've guessed at such an incredibly huge difference.
i think I'd definitely try it! It may not be a primary device, but if you're somewhere w/out power and just have to get a vape in, it'd be nice to "have an app for that" ;-)
Ok, just checking...lol. I went back and realized I didn't read all of the original post and mistook it.
I had some distractions going on... I really wasn't trying to be troll. I shall exit stage left with my head down in shame.from the little I've seen so far, the tech is not "energy-efficient" in larger scales... but highly "effective" at the small-scale energy production level... & who really cares if we have to "waste" an extra teaspoon or two of Methanol to hit our desired wattage ?
Well... "technically", a guy could build a $10 Solar still to make Ethanol, & the hooch would be "as good as" free, yea?
Wow... that is a "sweet" tech right there; could also work for a "Box-Mod" if it ever gets small enough, thus eliminating the "energy efficiency problem" of the DMFC.
there's a YouTube vid of two High School American girls demonstrating their version on Mom's kitchen table; near as I can tell, the most expensive part of the whole deal is the Platinum bearing Carbon-Nano-Fibre membrane; & the Platinum involved is miniscule.
I can see the application for this one being very practical however there are a few concerns about it.
Waste production- If any of the waste production was flammable then that would present an issue, keep in mind the coil on your e-cig can reach well above 1,000 degrees at times, this is good enough to reach the flash point of many combustable gases.
Refillability- I may take issue with Ethanol being dripped directly in to the device, any excess could be ignited quite easily. A cartridge system would work well or stand alone ( insert battery size here) replacement would work.
Voltage regulation and high power drain- E-cigs create essentally a resistance short requiring a lot of amps to run..this is a high drain system, have the batteries been tested at this level..something to check in to. Also how closely regulated is the voltage drain and what protections are in place to prevent overheating should the drain be too high.
Just a few thoughts on this matter, I could see how it would work however safety would be a major concern on my end before jumpping in to something like this.
Waste production- If any of the waste production was flammable then that would present an issue, keep in mind the coil on your e-cig can reach well above 1,000 degrees at times, this is good enough to reach the flash point of many combustable gases.
Refillability- I may take issue with Ethanol being dripped directly in to the device, any excess could be ignited quite easily. A cartridge system would work well or stand alone ( insert battery size here) replacement would work.
Voltage regulation and high power drain- E-cigs create essentally a resistance short requiring a lot of amps to run..this is a high drain system, have the batteries been tested at this level..something to check in to. Also how closely regulated is the voltage drain and what protections are in place to prevent overheating should the drain be too high.
Just a few thoughts on this matter, I could see how it would work however safety would be a major concern on my end before jumpping in to something like this.
... already stated "there's no hidden aggenda"... quite the contrary; I'm pretty sure the Vaping Community can pioneer this clean "almost-independant" power source themselves, just like they've managed to do with all the best tech so far (the mass-produced make-a-quick-buck products that I've tried so far, aren't even "close" to the best examples of Vaping... in my worthless opinion, that is).
... some marvelously "sharp" concerns; near as I've been able to tell (so far), the only "waste" by-products are Carbon-Dioxide & water vapour (kinda a "poetic" fit, I thought)... & the Methanol can be so vigorously "diluted" that the flamability of the Meths becomes a non-issue. Seems t'me one example used a solution of only 3% Methanol mixed with distilled water.
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