Yeah, I was just trying to understand why there so much vigor in the opposition to your suggestion. Seems to have been a misunderstanding, though.
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Yeah, I was just trying to understand why there so much vigor in the opposition to your suggestion. Seems to have been a misunderstanding, though.
Fuel Cells are an interesting technology, and the technology is constantly advancing. They are getting smaller, more durable, and more efficient every day.
But they are still relatively bulky, the small ones are not terribly powerful (under 10mW, generally) and they are still VERY expensive. A small 10mW cell (about a 2" cube, weighing 60grams) is just under $200 these days, and don't run very long on a complete "tank" of fuel.
If you are interested in experimenting though, you might check out this site. They seem to have a good selection of gear for experimenters...
FuelCellStore.com - Fuel Cells, Education, Science Kits, Components and Hydrogen
But they are still relatively bulky, the small ones are not terribly powerful (under 10mW, generally) and they are still VERY expensive. A small 10mW cell (about a 2" cube, weighing 60grams) is just under $200 these days, and don't run very long on a complete "tank" of fuel.
If you are interested in experimenting though, you might check out this site. They seem to have a good selection of gear for experimenters...
FuelCellStore.com - Fuel Cells, Education, Science Kits, Components and Hydrogen
Oh Wow(!)... excellent place to start; thanks for the link. You know... I honestly don't mind paying "LOTS" for a specific Tech in my life... if it promises to be "user-repairable" & "very" long lasting in general (one of our vehicles is a '72 Dodge Fargo Camper Van, but it's here 'cause it's in great shape & I can actually "fix-it myself" whenever it needs a little TLC ). By far, the best Tech in the Vaping World (from what I've seen so far), was created &/or actually built... by members of the community; & often distributed via Co-Operative principles. I'd be utterly delighted to kick in for a $100/Co-op share on a project like this, & if a thousand others felt the same way... we'd have "plenty" of research Capital to get us to the first Box-mod (if it's "do-able", that is). And if it doesn't fly, so what(?)... we've all spent more on a "bad date" now & then... & ended up with "less-fun" than this would be, yea? Hope this thread attracts the attention of a Gung-Ho "Mod-Geek" in the family somewhere, who'd love to take a year off (w/our $100,000) & make the proto-type "happen", yea?
Don't mean to sound like a know it all but "methanol fuel cells"(?) wouldn't be economically viable i don't think. For example tyres for cars or any vehicles could not be made solid because there would be no industry. Another example would be flat screen tv's are more viable than their predecessors because they are easy to break.(plus cheaper to make). How many of these fuel cells would the world buy until everyone had one then no one would buy them anymore. Then theres the issue of devices being made so these cells would fit, not sure if industry could be persuaded. Maybe i'm wrong, are these fuel cells disposable ?. If they are then maybe they are viable. But, if their not disposable then they are simply not economically viable. But what do i know. Nevermind !
... well stated; from a Corporate point of view... no "long-term" profitability, but.... from the Vaping Community's point-of-view, do we "care" if permanent power sources "don't make money" ? ... making someone (or a "dead-thing" like a Corporation) millions of dollars... "ain't our problem"; ... having durable, renewable, sustainable, user repairable & clean Tech to drive our atty's would be our only concern here, & there's nothing wrong with an endeavor that "sleeps" for awhile 'cause the need is completely "filled" for the moment, is there?
Right tgrsaint. I guess if someone were to build a kit out of their garage and using these power cells as the power source i'm pretty certain they wouldn't have a problem selling it. Best place to start really. Aint that what Mr jobs and Mr wozniac did with the Apple Mac. Real inventers innovating what they believe in. These power cells aint gonna work any other way. Not that i can see anyway.
Hate to be a nit-picker, but Apple Computer started in 1976 in a garage with the "Apple I". The Mac, however, didn't come out until 1984...
Thats kinda what i meant ....it was just a vague example. Although i'm not pretending i knew those details.
Not sure what atomizer you are using but mine don't go nearly that high.
... if you're glowing it "red-hot" from time to time (for cleaning)... you're "there".
Never head of a Methanol fuel cell. Heard of a Hydrogen fuel cell. Apollo 13. Boom. Right now they would be expensive. Platinum is used in that process I believe. I would imagine you would need some sort of controller for it and it would be battery powered as it would have to be stable and independent of the process. It's a great Idea and who know in 10 year cellphones and other devices could be made to run on it even cars. I did note that the reaction would be low power over a long time. I still like it but I think it is years away. Should have had cars running on Fuel Cells a long time ago. Nice thing is unlike Hydrogen it is a safer fuel and cheaper to produce I bet. Hope they can do it with Ethanol as that would be even cheaper to produce.
Hydrogen could work. They can now store hydrogen in hydrites or something that only release the hydrogen in small amounts when warmed. United Nuclear is doing this for their hydrogen tanks that feed into their converted car engines.
I would think it would be easier to convince them to apply the technology to a more general battery form factor like the 18650. In fact, I would think it's likely that they're already working on that, since most laptops use cells like these in their batteries as it is (though it wouldn't be necessary with this technology). At any rate, assuming a standard voltage, there shouldn't be any reason you couldn't use one of these in a mod.
thats kind of an ignorant comment there !! we have a lot of bridges in Alaska,,more then most all other states !!
as far as the OP goes,,they are working on making these micro-engines more common place and practical,,yea it has been discussed here before
"ooops.... sorry." Didn't know that (of course); did a search on the device before I started the thread... didn't get any hits, so I thought I'd give-it-a-go. Looks like it attracted some interest anyway though, so I'm not "too" embarrassed. Thanks all for kickin' it around... 'ppreciate it, & some pretty nice links showed up... so we can all go over & take a look at where this Tech is at as of "today".
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