No one talks organic?

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RosaJ

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To me "organic" means using manure from animals/humans without any processing which equals ecoli. Having to own a cow of my own because the only safe sterile raw milk is when it comes out of the udder into your mouth, that is if you keep the udder as clean as you can humanly can. To bring home tomatoes and vegetables with extra protein from worms and pests and have to soak it in some kind of soapy solution to make sure none of the manure from animals/humans escapes the washing. These are only a few...

I respect anyone's decision to go "organic" but as far as I'm concerned, I will always take advantage of the latest agricultural science and especially pasteurization. All you have to do is look at the reasons why these processes were invented in the first place. I'm not going backwards.
 

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Haha. The OP's avatar makes it difficult for me to take anything he types seriously. The last thing I want to see in the morning when I visit ECF is his pubes, or lack thereof.

ECF rules? attacking a poster. hmmmm cmon man i havent even posted in this thread for like 3 days
 

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There isnt a drop of soil in the usa that hasnt been contaminated by man made byproducts, pesticides, poisons, neuclear waste... you name it. Every so called organic product isnt organic anymore. You can even find pesticide traces, and radiation from fukoshima and chernobyl in the Alleghany Mountains here in NY.

The only thing "organic" means is limiting your exposure "somehow". Dont fool yourself into believing for a second the soil its grown in hasnt been tainted.

A little rain water will ruin that idea right quick.

ermmm hydroponics (water can be made very pure) nutrients provided can be pure.
on a side note, aeroponics.

most of which are indoor. just my two diddly's
 

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To me "organic" means using manure from animals/humans without any processing which equals ecoli. Having to own a cow of my own because the only safe sterile raw milk is when it comes out of the udder into your mouth, that is if you keep the udder as clean as you can humanly can. To bring home tomatoes and vegetables with extra protein from worms and pests and have to soak it in some kind of soapy solution to make sure none of the manure from animals/humans escapes the washing. These are only a few...

I respect anyone's decision to go "organic" but as far as I'm concerned, I will always take advantage of the latest agricultural science and especially pasteurization. All you have to do is look at the reasons why these processes were invented in the first place. I'm not going backwards.

There have been countless studies on the process of homogenization and pasteurization (which is basically heating and pressurizing food) within the last few decades that have demonstrated the nutritional loss which occurs throughout the process. I respect your decision but try my best to put forward information that can be used as a tool to either absorb or debate against respectfully. Simply put, the homogenization (pressurizing) of milk makes the fat and protein molecules too small to digest, making them bypass the digestive tract and enter directly in the bloodstream, which introduces a host of issues. The pasteurization (heating) of milk diminishes the return on certain vitamins (A, C, B6 and B12) by destroying the enzymes which complete them. A few links to read through if you wish -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/dairy-free-avoid-this-pop_b_558447.html

Health 101 - Article - Homogenization - Rocket Fuel for Cancer

The terminology of going 'backwards' is fitting for particular scientific strides like hygiene and certain medicines, but it is largely non-applicable to the food industry. Simply put, most people are unhealthy now a days, and that should be evidence enough that were actually making risky and hasty strides forward in the food industry which stems from profit, ignorance, and a growing population. Going backwards chronologically would largely (not entirely) equate to a healthier diet.

I think the GMO regulations need to be a case by case basis. Things like spinach, avocado, most American chicken,etc... I want them modified, and in many cases would be truly scared to eat them completely natural/organic.

I assume when you say you want them modified that you mean cleaned, processed, etc., which is fine. But modified in the sense of genetic engineering shouldn't be something to seek. Just google GMO side effects and read a little bit about what both sides have to say and decide for yourself. I don't mean to cause offense, but being "scared" of the food that has been naturally growing on this Earth since the dawn of man without some scientist splicing genetic coding together is a display of genuine ignorance, hence my humble suggestion that you google the information that's widely and readily available on the topic. I know it's hard to perceive via the internet, but my tone isn't harsh or cocky in any way, and I repeat, I mean no offense.
 

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Uh huh, and the soil you put it in is tained by default. And the air around it is impure and hydroponics doesnt even help with water purity unless you take alot of extra steps... even then you cant get close to "pure" and even if you did a spectrographic analysis of your plants would still show toxins and radiation in PPM.

Dont even get me started on tap water. No way in hell you can make that pure with even the best modern filtration. Distilled water? Plants suffer and soil suffers from lack of minerals. Adding minerals... not soluable enough to have an impact.

My father used to work in the administration for a water plant. Shows what you know. Go do more homework.

ermmm hydroponics (water can be made very pure) nutrients provided can be pure.
on a side note, aeroponics.

most of which are indoor. just my two diddly's
 
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To me "organic" means using manure from animals/humans without any processing which equals ecoli. Having to own a cow of my own because the only safe sterile raw milk is when it comes out of the udder into your mouth, that is if you keep the udder as clean as you can humanly can. To bring home tomatoes and vegetables with extra protein from worms and pests and have to soak it in some kind of soapy solution to make sure none of the manure from animals/humans escapes the washing. These are only a few...

I respect anyone's decision to go "organic" but as far as I'm concerned, I will always take advantage of the latest agricultural science and especially pasteurization. All you have to do is look at the reasons why these processes were invented in the first place. I'm not going backwards.

E.coli is really not the monster the media makes it out to be. I always :rolleyes: when I hear people speak about e. coli and bacteria in general. I've known for 30 years that it's just not a big deal 99.9% of the time. The media likes a good story- I call it fearmongering. It's not much different than media saying we're all inhaling anti-freeze...
 

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To bring home tomatoes and vegetables with extra protein from worms and pests and have to soak it in some kind of soapy solution to make sure none of the manure from animals/humans escapes the washing.

It's much easier to wash off that extra protein than it is to wash off pesticides. Whether you buy organic or conventional, you should always wash produce.

All you have to do is look at the reasons why these processes were invented in the first place.

Yes, these practices were put into place to increase profit.
 

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Speechless.

Yeah, when you think about it, you realize that you must hate science to hate most GMOs.

quick edit: What I mean, is that except for a few far and between examples (and none currently), GMOs have been GREAT for us as both consumers and people in third world countries who need food badly. The few GMO products that actually had bad side effects actually saved countless lives, but were bad long-term, and of course came from the ever greedy immoral Monsanto
 
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Since this BS has no place in this forum, AND I'm day-um near outta popcorn...

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