No Taste :(

[oneharleyrocker]

I bought a 1L 20/80 PG/VG Base to mix my own juice in 10x 100ml bottles, now a week has gone and I tried tasting them today (I have each single flavor in a 100ml bottle) and I hardly taste any flavor..
I checked the flavor recommended percentage and even though I have it right, still no damn flavor

Now I feel like I have wasted loads of flavors and money on that base..

Anyone had similar experience or maybe has a clue with 20/80 base?

Thanks

 

[Scotticus93]

Typically pg carries more flavor. I mix most of mine 50 50. That does suck. I have also noticed usually my diy juices need a week or two of steeping to develop flavor. Usually about two is perfect. Gotta shake them too. What percentage are you mixing at. I mix most of mine at 10 to 20 percent

 

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[mhertz]

Everyone agrees upon vg heavy mixes needs longer steeping, because of the thicker viscosity, but since you allready done that(1 week should defenetally be enough to taste atleast something!), then some state that vg heavy mixes needs heavier flavoring percentages, so try to up the flavoring...

 

[sketchness]

Percentages and flavoring used would be helpful.

And I have given away more juice than that. Stuff I mixed and didn't like. Start smaller. Try fixing 10mls of juice. You make 100mls after you can make a ten you like of a juice and have saved the recipe

 

[oneharleyrocker]

Typically pg carries more flavor. I mix most of mine 50 50. That does suck. I have also noticed usually my diy juices need a week or two of steeping to develop flavor. Usually about two is perfect. Gotta shake them too. What percentage are you mixing at. I mix most of mine at 10 to 20 percent

I hear you about steeping .. I try the juice after 4 days and usually keep it sitting for a week at least, while giving it a good shake daily. I use between 10 to 12% but now I have been adding more and more on that high VG base and nothing

 

[oneharleyrocker]

Percentages and flavoring used would be helpful.

And I have given away more juice than that. Stuff I mixed and didn't like. Start smaller. Try fixing 10mls of juice. You make 100mls after you can make a ten you like of a juice and have saved the recipe

I got Key Lime - Caramel - Turkish - cheesecake - coconut - vanilla - hazelnut - strawberry cream - blueberry wild - menthol..
I use 10% flavor on average.

 

[dannyv45]

What flavor manufacture are these flavors from? (TFA, HAngsen, Inawera, FA, Capella etc...) Not every manfactures flavor taste the same or use the same percentages.
VG heavy mixes not only require more steep time but will also vape poorly with little vapor or flavor if there to thick. Did you add distilled water to the mix to thin it? If so how much?

Caramel - Turkish - cheesecake - vanilla - strawberry cream - all need steep time of 2 - 4 weeks. The others 1 - 2 weeks. If you combine the for mentioned with the others then 2 - 4 week steep time would apply. There are ways to speed this process in my blogs below.

This may be a lesson learned but when trying new flavors or recipes always make 10ml test samples. As you learned the hard way anything more is a waste of good material. Once you've perfected the mix then make what ever size you like.

It would seem further research would be helpful for you. May I suggest the following:

My blogs will give insight into all aspects of DYI, from steeping to what supplies to have on hand to a basic walk through mixing your first E-juice.

E-Cigarette Forum - dannyv45 - Blogs

Then read hoosier's blogs. These blogs concentrate on fine tuning your mix and give insight on additives.

E-Cigarette Forum - Hoosier - Blogs

Then read Boletus's blog's. These blogs concentrate on formulation of nicotine bases regarding proper calculations methods for figuring Nicotine concentration as well as safety.

E-Cigarette Forum - Boletus - Blogs

Then read Ginger's book "E-Cigarettes 102: DIY E-Liquid". It is a book which I've contributed to that delivers an in depth easy to follow guide in the art of DYI.

E-Cigarettes 102: DIY E-Liquid

I recommend viewing VPLive Vape Team Episode #82: DIY Safety and bookmark it for future reference. It explains safety in all aspects of DYI.

VPLive Vape Team Episode #82: DIY Safety

then read the stickies at the top of the page.

this will explain a lot of the how's and why's.

 

[oneharleyrocker]

What flavor manufacture are these flavors from? (TFA, HAngsen, Inawera, FA, Capella etc...) Not every manfactures flavor taste the same or use the same percentages.
VG heavy mixes not only require more steep time but will also vape poorly with little vapor or flavor if there to thick. Did you add distilled water to the mix to thin it? If so how much?

Caramel - Turkish - cheesecake - vanilla - strawberry cream - all need steep time of 2 - 4 weeks. The others 1 - 2 weeks. If you combine the for mentioned with the others then 2 - 4 week steep time would apply. There are ways to speed this process in my blogs below.

This may be a lesson learned but when trying new flavors or recipes always make 10ml test samples. As you learned the hard way anything more is a waste of good material. Once you've perfected the mix then make what ever size you like.

It would seem further research would be helpful for you. May I suggest the following:

My blogs will give insight into all aspects of DYI, from steeping to what supplies to have on hand to a basic walk through mixing your first E-juice.

E-Cigarette Forum - dannyv45 - Blogs

Then read hoosier's blogs. These blogs concentrate on fine tuning your mix and give insight on additives.

E-Cigarette Forum - Hoosier - Blogs

Then read Boletus's blog's. These blogs concentrate on formulation of nicotine bases regarding proper calculations methods for figuring Nicotine concentration as well as safety.

E-Cigarette Forum - Boletus - Blogs

Then read Ginger's book "E-Cigarettes 102: DIY E-Liquid". It is a book which I've contributed to that delivers an in depth easy to follow guide in the art of DYI.

E-Cigarettes 102: DIY E-Liquid

I recommend viewing VPLive Vape Team Episode #82: DIY Safety and bookmark it for future reference. It explains safety in all aspects of DYI.

VPLive Vape Team Episode #82: DIY Safety

then read the stickies at the top of the page.

this will explain a lot of the how's and why's.

Hi Danny and thanks for the educational reply as well as the links. will check them all.
I use TFA flavors and I do not add distilled water. As far as I am informed, PG is more the flavor carrier while VG provide the throat hit and vapes.. after mixed, I use some sort of electrical blender (milk foamer but using some plastic acting as a propeller) then i give it a shake on daily basis.. usually i hear it requires 4 days to steep

PS. The base I get has 20PG 80VG and 3mg Nicotine

 

[dannyv45]

It's very easy to over flavor with TFA and with TFA over flavoring WILL result in no flavor at all so go back to basics. Research the flavor recommended percentages and start with the lowest recommended. Start with one flavor at a time doing 10ml test samples. When that individual flavor is good move on to the next individual flavor. Once you perfect all the individual flavors then you can move on to combining.

As far as not adding water if your mix is 70vg/30pg or higher you must add water. 5% for 70, 7 - 10% for 80 and above. the end result should be your combined VG/PG base should be the same viscosity as plain PG. This is accomplished by adding distilled water.

The art of mastering DIY requires practice and research so read the recommended material.

 

[oneharleyrocker]

It's very easy to over flavor with TFA and with TFA over flavoring WILL result in no flavor at all so go back to basics. Research the flavor recommended percentages and start with the lowest recommended. Start with one flavor at a time doing 10ml test samples. When that individual flavor is good move on to the next individual flavor. Once you know haw all the individual flavors are susposed to taste then you can move on to combining.

As far as not adding water if your mix is 70vg/30pg or higher you must add water. 5% for 70, 7 - 10% for 80 and above. the end result should be your combined VG/PG base should be the same viscosity as plain PG. This is accomplished by adding distilled water.

Read the recommended research material.

Danny, the base I get is already a finished mix with PG/VG and nicotine.. I am not looking into buying nicotine VG & PG separately, as it would involve too much hassle for me

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Hi Danny and thanks for the educational reply as well as the links. will check them all.
I use TFA flavors and I do not add distilled water. As far as I am informed, PG is more the flavor carrier while VG provide the throat hit and vapes.. after mixed, I use some sort of electrical blender (milk foamer but using some plastic acting as a propeller) then i give it a shake on daily basis.. usually i hear it requires 4 days to steep

PS. The base I get has 20PG 80VG and 3mg Nicotine

PG provides throat hit, VG is smoother and provides more vapor.

 

[oneharleyrocker]

Do you recommend a different flavor brand other than TFA ? I am making an online order by tomorrow so let me know. and which VG/PG ratio do you recommend ?
Appreciate it

 

[mhertz]

Sorry, i'm not danny However, I know he often recommends inawera and hangsen for beginners as they're easier to get right... And myself I also very much recommend inawera, can't say enough good things about them - they're spot on, very natural tasting and highly concentrated!

What pg/vg ratio you want is a matter of personal prefference, so don't go buying a full liter of premixed base before knowing your preference... I did the same when I started out... First I bought a liter of 50/50, then a liter of 70/30 pg/vg and after that, with 800ml's left from each, then I finally decided to buy seperate ingredients... If you don't wanna do that, then try 100ml's each of some different ratios to see which you like, before buying a full liter again... E.g. a 50/50, 70/30 and 30/70, allthough the last you don't really need to test if you like, since you allready have that, or almost, in your 20/80 base...

If you dont know what you like, then many simply choose 50/50, and then from there you can see if you need more throat-hit, then up the pg, and if more vapor and more mellow throathit, then up the vg...

Good luck

 

[oneharleyrocker]

Sorry, i'm not danny However, I know he often recommends inawera and hangsen for beginners as they're easier to get right... And myself I also very much recommend inawera, can't say enough good things about them - they're spot on, very natural tasting and highly concentrated!

What pg/vg ratio you want is a matter of personal prefference, so don't go buying a full liter of premixed base before knowing your preference... I did the same when I started out... First I bought a liter of 50/50, then a liter of 70/30 pg/vg and after that, with 800ml's left from each, then I finally decided to buy seperate ingredients... If you don't wanna do that, then try 100ml's each of some different ratios to see which you like, before buying a full liter again... E.g. a 50/50, 70/30 and 30/70, allthough the last you don't really need to test if you like, since you allready have that, or almost, in your 20/80 base...

If you dont know what you like, then many simply choose 50/50, and then from there you can see if you need more throat-hit, then up the pg, and if more vapor and more mellow throathit, then up the vg...

Good luck

Hello hertz "not Danny" lol
i have been mixing for 3 months now and have tried 20/80, 40/60 and 60/40 by now I like to have flavor combined with much vape and a bit of throat hit.. The question was more to gather information of what an experienced juice mixer recommend.
I buy 1L now because I prefer mixing the aromas in larger quantities each flavor in a 100ml bottle and keep them for a week or two to steep.. If i start doing the 10ml trials, i will have nothing to vape until i have finally mixed something in a decent amount I know, I am not a very patient guy, but still I like to have things perfect at the end of the day.. so I am gathering all the essential ratios and information available for the next Liter i am planning to waste.. lol

PS. When I ask about which aroma is recommended, I mean it in term of flavor quality. From what I know, TAF is supposed to be the top or one of the top

 

[Hoosier]

I'm going to be blunt, because that's how I am.

I can make great juice with TFA. I can make great juice with FA. I can make great juice with Capella. I can make great juice with Loranns. How do you define quality? Is it making great juice with it? If so, then nearly everyone I've tried is quality stuff. And I've tried most everything out there.

Now to make great juice I've made liters of crap juice. And that's going 5-10ml experimental batches at a time.

If you're determined to only go 0.1 liter at a time, I'd suggest buying your base in barrels. By the time you get to the bottom of 100kg of base, you'll have some great recipes.

 

[oneharleyrocker]

I'm going to be blunt, because that's how I am.

I can make great juice with TFA. I can make great juice with FA. I can make great juice with Capella. I can make great juice with Loranns. How do you define quality? Is it making great juice with it? If so, then nearly everyone I've tried is quality stuff. And I've tried most everything out there.

Now to make great juice I've made liters of crap juice. And that's going 5-10ml experimental batches at a time.

If you're determined to only go 0.1 liter at a time, I'd suggest buying your base in barrels. By the time you get to the bottom of 100kg of base, you'll have some great recipes.

Hello Hoosier, I am not looking for diplomatic answers, so you can be as blunt and direct as you please. I define good quality flavors with the depth and strength of their taste and ability to mix well with base.
How long do you keep your trial juice to rest/steep (how) until you try it . I am talking about your 5/10ml
Can I get the recommended % per flavor for TFA somewhere? and last but not least: I usually create single flavors each in its own bottle and leave them to steep.. Afterwards, I try them each on its own and afterwards I decide on which flavors I want to mix together. But here is the trick, when I mix flavors I just do it right through filling a bit of each directly into the tank.. is that doable or is it preferable to mix them together from the beginning and leave them steep and mix for few days?

 

[Whitaker2472]

When you mix the flavors togather before you put in a tank they have a chance to meld togather then. Thats part of the steeping. Thats why ppl steep so the multiple flavors can bond. You dont get full effect when just mix in the tank as much

 

[defdock]

Having a similar issue here.

I predict the flavor will take 10~ days to develop.

Made a batch of 10% TFA bubble gum(previously thought it was 6%)with 3% koolada.

No taste of gum at all and smells/tastes like perfume. People recommend using it at 10-15% so i should be safe?

Anyways, ben shaking all of the 200 ml bottles every few hours until they are so full of bubbles I can't see thru the bottle and then leave the caps off.

 

[oneharleyrocker]

another question! can I create each flavor separately and then mix different flavors afterwards and leave them steep? or should they all be mixed on the same day with the base liquid?