Non-Smoker thinking of vaping nic free flavours, any danger?

[FoxGirl]

I just think the days of "blissfully unaware" are well and truly passed.

vaping, does seem rather safe, the same may have been said about smoking, but back in those days if we knew then what we know now, we could easily assume that it would be dangerous without testing the substances.
(We know, certain things when burned are carcinogenic)

Esters, even PG are more common than tobacco, we have been consuming such things, even burning them, for quite some time, with no ill effect. Of course, that is not direct inhalation, however, steam/moisture, we have been intentionally inhaling for generations.

I am all for harm minimisation, to an extent. It appears that vaping is at least safer than driving my car with the window down in the city, and if vaping sweet flavours and busying my hands for a while actually stops me from buying more sweets, then it has saved me money and ill health.

Heh, thats the way I am looking at it.. Of course, I may well be able to drip the scents in a bowl of boiling water and inhale it, but that isnt exactly portable.

Thanks so much for your replies, I am more enlightened now. ^_^

 

[the86d]

(My Thoughts:
PG is a gateway chem.

Soon you will be doing VG, and PGA, this leads to Clove Oil, Tang. Oil, Peppermint, and menthol. Next thing you know you will be using your mortgage payment to hit your local cake shop for "Just another dram [of Lorann]" for "Just one more [complementary flavor]" complete with a cupboard full of VG when all you want is a Throat Hit, and the PG is in the pantry [because the gallon you bought wont fit in the freekin' cupboard]. "One part per million, UNACCEPTABLE!" 6 months later you'll be in a Superior Court Mandated VA meeting for turning tricks for Boba's Bounty.

Just my thought....ooooh. My, oh my, this sounds like... like... ALL OF US!)

Don't do it, it is a gateway addiction/fixation.

 

[FoxGirl]

(My Thoughts:
Don't do it, it is a gateway addiction/fixation.

hehe, a healthier replacement for all the junk I eat would be a welcome fixation ^^

I was "blessed" with a fast metabolism, that doesnt stop me feeling like crap for eating all the takeaways that just taste soooo good. >.<

 

[Darrian]

I wouldn't recommend vaping to a non-smoker just because you don't already have the habit, and we're doing this to feed our habit in a cheaper and healthier way. I can't say that I don't think it is pretty effing awesome, but I've been smoking for about 15 years. If you can't be deterred then sure, it's relatively risk-free, but you never know what side effects you'll suffer down the road. I can't even say for sure right now if vaping for me is a step towards quitting or just a healthier replacement, but obviously I didn't have any problem killing myself slowly for over a decade, it's just that now I can breathe and I don't stink of tobacco smoke. If you're at all concerned about your health you probably shouldn't risk it, but if you won't be deterred then at least I commend you for considering this instead of smoking.

 

[FoxGirl]

Right now, its a bit of, lesser of two evils.

I have been eating junk for way too long, artificial sweeteners are nasty, I eat healthy when I can, like subway if I must get takeaway.

Aaand I just ate a pizza... (hey, can I vape that?)

I just need to find a way to get the sweet kick, and associating an action with it (this is why vaping helps smokers quit too) helps to pass the urge.

It all started when my grandmother bought a milkbar and I had an unlimited supply of candy...

I just do hope that it is as it seems, with no negative health risks.

 

[Darrian]

Well, then, by all means! Right now it appears that there are pretty much no health risks, it's certainly risk-free for those around you, and until the government decides to tax the hell out of it it's much cheaper. In 20 years we might all have cancer and be cursing ecigs, but it certainly has to be healthier than the tar and thousands of carcinogens present in "analog" cigarettes. And, yes, they taste great. I'm vaping mint chocolate chip right now, I've never had a cigarette that tasted like that.

 

[Jonmo1]

The flavor from a chocalate mint flavored ecig DOES NOT eqaul the flavor from mint chocolate ICE CREAM.

Ecig flavors ar subtle. VERY subtle.

I highly doubt ecigs will decrease your sweets habit

 

[Katya]

hehe, a healthier replacement for all the junk I eat would be a welcome fixation ^^

I was "blessed" with a fast metabolism, that doesnt stop me feeling like crap for eating all the takeaways that just taste soooo good. >.<

And you say you don't have an addictive personality?

Don't start. Food flavorings and artificial colorings are not that healthy to eat, and they were most certainly not intended to be inhaled. Nobody knows if it's safe. We only hope it's safer in comparison to 4,000 known poisons in cigarette smoke. And nothing else.

 

[Kimmy]

Ya know...for some people, not all, vaping has caused weight gain (including myself). I have ALSO always had a fast metabolism, but ever since I started vaping it seems to activate my taste buds and makes me want to eat. Sorta the feeling when you eat one chip. You can't just eat one. You eat a couple. I have been snacking like crazy. Ever since I started vaping, my oral fixation has gotten WORSE. In the beginning I dropped a few pounds, but as time went on, I gained it back. Best of luck to you though...sounds like your mind is made up. Just because you did research doesn't mean it is safe though...mainly because...there is little to no research. Take into consideration most people strongly advise against it.

 

[FoxGirl]

Ya know...for some people, not all, vaping has caused weight gain (including myself). I have ALSO always had a fast metabolism, but ever since I started vaping it seems to activate my taste buds and makes me want to eat. Sorta the feeling when you eat one chip. You can't just eat one. You eat a couple. I have been snacking like crazy. Ever since I started vaping, my oral fixation has gotten WORSE. In the beginning I dropped a few pounds, but as time went on, I gained it back. Best of luck to you though...sounds like your mind is made up. Just because you did research doesn't mean it is safe though...mainly because...there is little to no research. Take into consideration most people strongly advise against it.

My mind isnt made up, and this is what I needed to know.. Mmm, maybe I need more time to prepare more food, or carry sugar in my pocket

 

[kirby]

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

If I had a handy list, I would mail a smiley sticker to every seemingly angry person in this thread.

Oh, and vegemite.... *twitch*

 

[cliff5550]

I don't think most are really angry. They know what crap it has been smoking cigarettes and wish someone had warned them about ever starting, or even fooling with the notion of getting close to nicotine. I know I'm not trying to stop, just trying to get safer with ecigs.
If I never would have begun smoking I know I would have no interest in vaping, even for 0 nic flavors. Now I see the FDA and other non-intelligent groups and organizations are trying to force me back to killer cigarettes. It's just scary.

 

[jiff]

Clearly, no one can stop you from starting vaping. However, this is a forum with primarily long term smokers who won't accept any reason as viable for a non smoker to pick up vaping, even if it is 0nic.

That being said, no one can stop you, but there will always be people here that will never respect or comprehend you vaping.

Now, if you are still (after reading this thread) dead set on picking it up, do so at your own risk. And, there very well could be risk involved.

To answer your questions:
The 510 is a very good model, and is a crowd favorite here. You mentioning you are a techy, after a few weeks or months (if you seriously pick it up), you may decide modding is for you (since you probably have a grasp on all the concepts as is).

I would advise straying away from DIY liquids for the beginning. Plenty of vendors sell 0nic. However, if you really decide you want to sometime in the future, do your homework. Read through the DIY liquid forum first before you do anything. As has been mentioned, not all flavors are safe to use in e-liquid.

As for the atomizers. The average joye510 stock atty will last 2-6 weeks. For those of us who had the financial burden of smoking for so long, paying the 8$ for an atty every few weeks is nothing significant. You need to bear in mind, vaping IS a financial burden, no matter what route you take. Just, for us here, it's a smaller burden than smoking was... except for the people that get so into the hobby side of it they spend more on e-cig stuff than they ever did on cig's.

 

[FoxGirl]

Well, I am not convinced of any level of safety of PG, if one was to be using VG, 0nic flavours, I believe it to be safe. I have read studies, by labs and have read up on glycerin, if I was to vape, any danger posed by glycerin would be from the glycerin I consume, which dwarfs any miniscule atomised amount. No wonder the medical establishment is considering this technology as a delivery method for medications, just look at the ventolin nebulisers.

 

[vip0802]

to the OP - PV's aren't marketed as "smoking cessation products", but it definitely is a much safer alternative to smoking. for me personally, i quit smoking after my very first puff off my Joye 510 and i whole heartedly recommend them to anyone who is trying to quit.

on the other hand, if you've never smoked, i don't know if you'd enjoy it that much. my future sister-in-law never smoke either but was curious to try vaping as well, so i let her try one of my 0 mg e-juice. she wasn't really able to taste or enjoy the flavor since she ended up coughing so much, and pretty much lost interest afterwards.

whatever you choose to do, i think it's wonderful that you've at least done your research. i'm not going to tell you if you should or shouldn't - you're an adult and you're entitled to make your own decisions. as far as any dangers in nic-free e-juice goes, no one can really say for sure how "safe" it is, but i believe it's a hell of a lot safer than a lot of things people are exposed to on an everyday basis.

 

[Snarkyone]

I hate to even utter this quote since I absolutely loathe the woman but "Just say no" there is no need to start on this just for taste. Others have made the right arguments as to why it would not be an intelligent thing to do.

 

[AmyB66]

I'll throw in my two cents.
I started smoking as a chubby teen, to loose weight, stay away from pounding junk food. That wasn't what really caused me to loose weight though, I got more deligent about my eating habits.

Fast forward 28 years, mid life sets in along with a job that pretty much lead me to a huge sugar diet. Vaping flavors does not fix that sugar crave. Do some research about going off sugar when you are use to a ton of it. Basically you have side affects from that too. You feel slow and sluggish. It takes a while to readjust your body and vaping will not fix that need for sweets.

I've lost some weight ect and reduced my sugar intake, not because of vaping, no juice replaces that sugar craving and no it isn't that tasty where it replaces food. Now that I quit smoking I am just on phase two of getting my health back so I am forcing myself to eat better and pretty much go through all the woes anyone does when they change their eating habits.

There are some other side affects from vaping. Acne, and not your run of the mill, hormone too much chocolate type of zit either. Dehydration and some digestive issues if you vape too much. While I am sure vaping is much better for my bod than my pack plus a day habit, I am still going to get the mouth wrinkes due to the pg and the act of vaping itself. The acne flair ups, especially around my mouth/chin area are basically my trade of for waking up in the middle of the night with a tight chest feeling in my lungs, the coughing and the smell of cigs. I just needed to quit smoking and due to some other medical reasons, mostly stress and anxiety stuff, meds were not an option for me and cold turkey isn't super successful long term either. So I chose what seemed to be the lessor of two evils. While vaping may work well for a smoker who wants to reduce or quit, I just don't see it working well for someone who wants to use it for junk food replacement, that act involves swallowing and the stomach, vaping involves inhaling and the lungs.

Eating and and smoking have been two life long issues for me and while the two can get easily confused they are two seperate issues, one does not get treated well by using the other.

 

[FoxGirl]

Thank you, that indeed did make up my mind, not going to even bother trying it. I would be creating a habit to cure a habit, it may well work, but only because I believe it would, and I am busying myself with something. I never really felt the need in the past to stop eating all the sugar I eat, till passed my mid 20s and started to feel really run down, had to stop eating so much of it. Convenience and comfort foods. If it was proven, beyond all doubt to be safe, I may well have vape'd, but as its not, its replacing one problem with another, I dont know which is more dangerous to be honest.. probably the crap I eat..

 

[the_antisheep]

Thank you, that indeed did make up my mind, not going to even bother trying it. I would be creating a habit to cure a habit, it may well work, but only because I believe it would, and I am busying myself with something. I never really felt the need in the past to stop eating all the sugar I eat, till passed my mid 20s and started to feel really run down, had to stop eating so much of it. Convenience and comfort foods. If it was proven, beyond all doubt to be safe, I may well have vape'd, but as its not, its replacing one problem with another, I dont know which is more dangerous to be honest.. probably the crap I eat..

Probably a real good choice

I assume you were hoping to lose weight off this too, and while many have said they gained weight, and may have done so through the reduced nicotine in their system, there is something else that many of us get as a wonderful side effect that I don't think has been mentioned here: constipation. Yep, it is a wonderful thing, and one of the unfortunate benefits of being a vaper

 

[Kobudo]

Probably a real good choice

I assume you were hoping to lose weight off this too, and while many have said they gained weight, and may have done so through the reduced nicotine in their system, there is something else that many of us get as a wonderful side effect that I don't think has been mentioned here: constipation. Yep, it is a wonderful thing, and one of the unfortunate benefits of being a vaper

Increase the nic levels, that will clear up your constipation in a hurry The "runs" are why I don't vape 24mg liquid anymore. Though drinking more water would probably be a better solution.