Non-smoker thinking of vaping

[Oberon75]

Nicotine is in everyone, it's in so many foods it cannot be avoided. You might be avoiding nicotine in your vapor, but you'll be eating.

Yep. If we must keep people away from our exclusive club, they better not put Tomatoes in their salad either.

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[Kieferz]

Yep. If we must keep people away from our exclusive club, they better not put Tomatoes in their salad either.

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That exactly it. People want to treat vaping as an exclusive club in which the only right of passage is being an ex smoker and it is wrong to do so.

 

[Irishohh]

Thanks for the response guys. Some of them were very helpful.

To the person who suggested these alternative methods: Hyperventilating, snuffing, meditation, etc.
Thanks for the suggestion but I decided to start vaping not only because of the benefits from the nicotine but also because I find the gear to be very interesting and also would like a new hobby.

After reading some reviews, I decided to go with the Joyetech E-grip since it was fully assembled, portable, and had a great review. Can someone direct me to a guide on how to use these things? I think I have a basic idea of how it works but I would like to know how to correctly refill my atomizer/maintain my vaper and especially adjusting the airflow/wattage.

As I have never smoked before, I have no idea how much airflow/wattage I need.

 

[WattWick]

When all else failed:

Welcome aboard

 

[marc42]

For the OP's purpose, that wouldn't make much sense. The absorption of nicotine buccally is pretty poor, if you were going to do that you would want to use a nicotine concentration of at least 10%. For the cognitive improvement the OP is looking for, I'd recommend at least 3% inhaled vapor, no more than 4-7 drags every two hours or more. This is what is working for me.

10% nic phew already whoosey at the thought of it.
Did drip some 7.5%, once not for me that!
I tend to vape anything from 0.5% to around 2% usually preferring around 1.2 ish.

I am sure the OP will find a happy medium.

 

[WattWick]

Careful with them numbers, guys. 10% nic = 100 mg/ml. Which is ridiculously high and is likely to make you quite nauseous quite quickly. Certainly not something for a non-smoker. Not even a heavy smoker.

 

[Cacique]

Being an ex-smoker wouldn't help you at all to figure this stuff out. If you got a mind for tech, it should click after some reading.

 

[mosspa]

That is not a myth and you should really look up the science. There is not a single study in this world that links nicotine to any kind of addiction in never smokers without the presence of tobacco.

And further more, nicotine does in fact help with focus as well as many other things.
Harnessing Nicotine's Power to Aid Concentration, Attention

I really don't believe that to pick up vaping, one should have to be a member of some ex-smokers club. A lot of the comments I'm reading in this thread is no better then the ANTZ misinformation. By carrying the belief that you shouldn't vape unless you are a smoker, there will always be cigarettes. If we want cigarettes to fall from the face of this earth one day, we should be encouraging vaping.

Bravo!!!!!!!

 

[mosspa]

Nicotine is addictive and there is a lot of evidence for that, but it's also a benign and beneficial substance when separated from carcinogens.

Caffeine is both highly addictive and highly beneficial too. I'm addicted to caffeine and nicotine but its benefits far outweigh the drawbacks.

Show me the research!!! Also, on what planet has caffeine been shown to be addictive? Certainly not Earth.

 

[deckley]

I really hope you are not a teacher of any kind; to think you are in charge of our children's education would be a very frightening thought indeed.

 

[mosspa]

Some good info here on nicotine:

All You Need To Know About Nicotine

Nicotine Propaganda

The Great Nicotine Myth]

All three are excellent, and the first one actually provides a few references.

 

[mosspa]

We are doing exactly the same wrong as has been done in regards to nicotine and smoking for all these years. We equate vaping with nicotine. Nicotine is nicotine. Vaping is vaping. You can have one without the other.

But, why would anybody in their right mind want to?

 

[Scottitude]

There is a great deal of credible real research by real scientists who aren't living lives of superstition. I am offended that you would suggest that I shouldn't encourage the OP when, in fact, it is exactly what I am doing after quitting smoking over 42 years ago from a 2 P/D usage. I will continue to encourage the use of nicotine for cognitive enhancement. I lecture my students about the benefits of using nicotine, and many of the students working in my lab are trying it out. Read this article Nicotine, the Wonder Drug? | DiscoverMagazine.com, it will make most of the salient points in favor of nicotine usage.

Offended? By what, logic?

I don't believe you read or understood my entire comment. I'm not suggesting in any way that nicotine is evil, wicked, and shouldn't be used by anyone not previously addicted to tobacco. I didn't even mention "nicotine".

I merely stated that in a community where the driving factor is almost always reduced harm, not vaping is less harmful than vaping, and therefore the best approach.

Here you go, give it another shot, and this time consider it in its entirety without cherry picking one line out of context:

Or why not just not start at all?

Absolutely no justifiable reason for the OP to vape or for others to entertain the question and support the notion.

As others have said, there are better, less harmful ways to improve focus. See what I did there? Less harmful, which is why smokers and former smokers vape. The only thing less harmful than vaping is not vaping.

Most, if not all vapers support THR so I find it unsettling that any vaper would encourage a non-smoker to start vaping - for any reason.

NOTE:
I only quoted myself for the benefit of continuity

 

[mosspa]

The nicotine is absorbed in the mucous membranes in the nose. In my experience, it's not as fast as cigarettes, but faster than vaping.

You do realize that that can not possibly be true. Inhalation is, by far, the fastest way to get a drug to your brain (well, maybe arterial shunt would be faster), but the fact that you skip all the venous transport steps, and deposit the drug directly into the arterial flow from the lung, inhalation is faster than even mainlining.

 

[deckley]

Thank you Scottitude!
People are selective readers and listeners, which is why we have so many issues in the world.
Nicotine and caffeine are addictive. Any substance that acts on the central nervous system and are ingested, smoked, injected, what have you for a number of years with become an addiction. Mind you, they are not HIGHLY addictive as, say opiates, but ARE addictive none the less.
Period.

 

[WattWick]

Edit: Nevermind! Sneaking out the back door. Vape on.

 

[mosspa]

10% nic phew already whoosey at the thought of it.
Did drip some 7.5%, once not for me that!
I tend to vape anything from 0.5% to around 2% usually preferring around 1.2 ish.

I am sure the OP will find a happy medium.

I may not have stated that clearly, given that I'm not sure what it means to 'drip'. However, looking at the buccal and nasal absorption kinetics (I'm assuming, sucking in a mouthful of vapor, swishing it around and exhaling through the mouth and nose, a la cigar smoking) in comparison to lung transfer kinetics, I'm thinking even 10% may be a bit weak.

 

[mosspa]

Careful with them numbers, guys. 10% nic = 100 mg/ml. Which is ridiculously high and is likely to make you quite nauseous quite quickly. Certainly not something for a non-smoker. Not even a heavy smoker.

Again, when I mentioned 10%, I did so because the advice to the OP to which I replied suggested that he not inhale. If you aren't going to inhale it 10% is not that much. I'm regularly vaping 4.5% and I'm sucking it in pretty deep.

 

[WattWick]

Again, when I mentioned 10%, I did so because the advice to the OP to which I replied suggested that he not inhale. If you aren't going to inhale it 10% is not that much. I'm regularly vaping 4.5% and I'm sucking it in pretty deep.

Please please please refrain from telling new vapers to start out with 100 mg/ml. Please!

 

[Pandepon]

Don't even start with the nicotine. If you want to concentrate get some coffee, if you want a buzz drink a beer.

Nicoteine buzzes are very short-lived and once you're addicted there isn't a much of a buzz