Non-smoker thinking of vaping

[mosspa]

I really hope you are not a teacher of any kind; to think you are in charge of our children's education would be a very frightening thought indeed.

Assuming you mean me... Well, I am a professor at a university, so I guess that makes me a teacher of some sort. Neuroscience is my field, and my major area within neuroscience is neuropsychopharmacology. I've been studying the effect of chemicals and drugs on brain for over 35 years now. I tell my students the truth, not necessarily what their mothers or their clergy might want them to hear, but the most accurate information I can give them. In the case of nicotine I tell them much the same that I have written here.

 

[ZackM]

I was never a cigarette smoker either. I started out with 3 mg and that gave me the buzz you're describing. 6 may work too, but 12 mg will kill your throat

 

[mosspa]

Offended? By what, logic?

I don't believe you read or understood my entire comment. I'm not suggesting in any way that nicotine is evil, wicked, and shouldn't be used by anyone not previously addicted to tobacco. I didn't even mention "nicotine".

Then why would you say "Absolutely no justifiable reason for the OP to vape or for others to entertain the question and support the notion" if you weren't suggesting that those like me shouldn't support the OPs plan to vape. I didn't take anything out of context. Yyou said what amounts to "please censor yourself.. there are young eyes that ma read your truth and even believe it", even though you obviously are clueless in this particular matter.

 

[Pandepon]

Show me the research!!! Also, on what planet has caffeine been shown to be addictive? Certainly not Earth.

Google "caffeine dependency", "caffeine headache", and "caffeine withdrawl symptoms"

Caffeine is addictive

 

[mosspa]

Thank you Scottitude!
People are selective readers and listeners, which is why we have so many issues in the world.
Nicotine and caffeine are addictive. Any substance that acts on the central nervous system and are invested, smoked, injected, what have you for a number of years with become an addiction. Mind you, they are not HIGHLY addictive as, say opiates, but ARE addictive none the less.
Period.

This is, of course, ridiculous. All you have to do is provide some support for these uninformed things you keep typing. Show us any evidence that nicotine is addicting.

 

[mosspa]

Please please please refrain from telling new vapers to start out with 100 mg/ml. Please!

I'm not telling new vapers any such thing. Somebody suggested that using it in the manner you quoted from my post. Infering that kind of usage without inhalation you would have to severely increase the amount used because of the difference in dosage delivery between mouth and nose compared with lung is enormous.

 

[Pandepon]

Holy crap the ignorance mosspa is displaying floors me.

 

[mosspa]

Don't even start with the nicotine. If you want to concentrate get some coffee, if you want a buzz drink a beer.

Nicoteine buzzes are very short-lived and once you're addicted there isn't a much of a buzz

So many addicts, so little time

 

[mosspa]

Google "caffeine dependency", "caffeine headache", and "caffeine withdrawl symptoms"

Caffeine is addictive

Google? Why not just go to the bible, Wikipedia. If you want to see real science you have to look in scientific publications, not the WEB. My mother once told me that she read what another person thought she had heard from somebody on the internet. Yes, that's the way to provide evidence. Good job!!!

 

[mosspa]

Holy crap the ignorance mosspa is displaying floors me.

Ignorance... that would be like the pot calling the kettle black, unfortunately, although my skin is dark, I'm not black like a kettle.

 

[WattWick]

I'm not telling new vapers any such thing. Somebody suggested that using it in the manner you quoted from my post. Infering that kind of usage without inhalation you would have to severely increase the amount used because of the difference in dosage delivery between mouth and nose compared with lung is enormous.

I do mainly shallow inhales and exhales partially through the nose. I vape 18-20 mg/ml liquids on mech/gennies at 28awg / 0.8 ohm. If you were to attempt to vape the way I do with my setup - with 4.5 % liquids - you would get nauseous instantly. 100 mg/ml, you would puke your guts out.

Your advice does not account for anything but the exact gear you use and the power you run it at. Note how I mentioned what gear I use and the resistance I use? Recommending 100 mg/ml to anyone is - at best - ignorant. Please don't!

More than one heavy smoker has asked me "Do you get your nic fix from that?" - and I tell them to give it a go, but be careful not to overdo it as it hits slower than a cig. Guess what - they all overdo it and never ask that question again. Even heavy smokers had no idea how easy it is to overdose on nic. By overdose I mean getting very uncomfortable for a couple of minutes.

 

[mosspa]

I'm just wast

 

[stevegmu]

Oh, boy... A 'professor' recommending students become addicted to nicotineWow...

 

[mosspa]

Oh, boy... A 'professor' recommending students become addicted to nicotineWow...

Really? Since there is no evidence that nicotine is addicting, I'm not really doing that. Am I?

 

[stevegmu]

Really? Since there is no evidence that nicotine is addicting, I'm not really doing that. Am I?

Yes, actually. If it improves concentration-whether real or imagined, those who benefit will more than likely become dependent on nicotine to reproduce the perceived benefits; not physically, but psychologically dependent...

 

[deckley]

This is, of course, ridiculous. All you have to do is provide some support for these uninformed things you keep typing. Show us any evidence that nicotine is addicting.

Ok, I am done here. Dr. Leary wants everyone to believe he knows what the truth is, and if he is an actually professor with some degrees in neurosciences and not a internet nut with nimble fingers and a decent grasp of the English language, then the millions of people who endure withdrawal symptoms from both nicotine and caffeine are just faking it.
Also, you must not know anything about chemistry, cause a 10% solution (100mg/ml) of nicotine will kill you tenfold. You must be superman to inhale almost 5%.
Oh ya, I am gonna get an unscrupulous doctor to write me a prescription for amphetamitnes so I can "cheat" and become a super genius.
Hopefully the members here realize fact from fiction, experience from theory, and make their own informed decisions.

 

[WattWick]

You do know that when the juice guys put XXmg on the bottle they mean XX mg per LITER, not ml. I'm not sure you could even get nicotine into solution with propylene glycol at that concentration (20 mg/ml if you heated it with a blowtorch Also, I wouldn't recommend it, but if they wanted not to inhale, they would need to go at least as high as 10%.

I'm not going to enter a discussion about what milligram per milliliter means. Or what percentages are.

The definitions are in the names. No need to look them up.

 

[Ablonz]

You do know that when the juice guys put XXmg on the bottle they mean XX mg per LITER, not ml. I'm not sure you could even get nicotine into solution with propylene glycol at that concentration (20 mg/ml if you heated it with a blowtorch Also, I wouldn't recommend it, but if they wanted not to inhale, they would need to go at least as high as 10%.

I didn't know that when they mark 250 ml and 36 mg nic on my bottle that what they really mean is that it is a quarter of what a liter would be..........wouldn't they just mark it as 9 mg 250 ml bottle? would that then mean a 30 ml bottle would only have about 1 mg of nicotine in its entirety?

 

[mosspa]

I do mainly shallow inhales and exhales partially through the nose. I vape 18-20 mg/ml liquids on mech/gennies at 28awg / 0.8 ohm. If you were to attempt to vape the way I do with my setup - with 4.5 % liquids - you would get nauseous instantly. 100 mg/ml, you would puke your guts out.

Your advice does not account for anything but the exact gear you use and the power you run it at. Note how I mentioned what gear I use and the resistance I use? Recommending 100 mg/ml to anyone is - at best - ignorant. Please don't!

More than one heavy smoker has asked me "Do you get your nic fix from that?" - and I tell them to give it a go, but be careful not to overdo it as it hits slower than a cig. Guess what - they all overdo it and never ask that question again. Even heavy smokers had no idea how easy it is to overdose on nic. By overdose I mean getting very uncomfortable for a couple of minutes.

For the last X#X#X'n time. I'm not suggesting that anybody inhale 10% nicotine!

 

[mosspa]

Yes, actually. If it improves concentration-whether real or imagined, those who benefit will more than likely become dependent on nicotine to reproduce the perceived benefits; not physically, but psychologically dependent...

That may be true, at least for some, but why does that matter? You are dependent on air, yet you still breath. I fail to see a real difference. Now, let's not talk about the , probably young, OP, but me, the aging professor. If nicotine helps me in my lectures, why shouldn't I become dependent on it? Just because a person with Parkinson's Disease may be dependent on l-DOPA to function, it shouldn't mean that person shouldn't take his meds just because he is dependent on them to move smoothly..